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Some of us keep in touch with the 'Red Ultras' of Aberdeen and the 'Green Brigade' of Celtic. As well as 'Stretford End Flags' of Manchester United, via the forums. Lee Ryder (or whatever his name is who does the blogs) seems to be getting in touch more and more often too, and seems keen to see us succeed. As well as that in the mag i think it was they had a poll saying 93% of the readers wanted a singing section or the ultras to succeed. So people are getting to know of us, we just hope it isn't for the wrong reasons as some seem to think. That's why i came on here really, just to get us known for what/who we are rather than a group of charver mongs. We could do with your help, that is all.

I'll tell him when i next see him.

And you's say we're childish. He is not a charva, and is just a young lad like some other people stated. How can you say someone is a charva when you can't even see what he is wearing or how he acts.

Spend now, and then get a decent young squad in that we can rely on to do well and get us into europe for a few years while we clear the debt. Then get better players in to push for Champions League.

Okay, well it seemed to me like you weren't willing to give us a chance, but if you are then fair enough. Baggio i think your idea is a good possibility and will probably suggest it on our forums. I doubt people will do it, but it may be worth a try. Even if they choose not to do it, it might be worth just having a forum for what we are doing, and then maybes if we get our arses in gear, more people will be willing if they can see our success on here.

your whole point is if more people put up banners and get up and sing then the whole ground will sing I'm telling you that's s**** but f*** it, there are always people who won't be told, and pull out the 'but omfg we must try, why be so negative' Americanised bollocks If the Toon Ultras get 20,000 members and we stay a mid table team, I guarantee the place will still be silent (not that it is silent tbh, but it's not rocking). How the f*** is it Americanised bollocks??!! Have you never sung when your team has been losing to spur them on? It's exactly the same thing! You must try to spur them on to win, i am pretty damn sure you will have sung when Newcastle has been losing, just to encourage them to get that vital goal. So don't give me that s**** about Americanised bollocks. The Toon Ultras will never be a 20,000 size organisation if wankers like you go on with the same negative attitude, and i am just guessing here but you must be 35+ the way you go on. It's like you have never done the same as what the younger lads do now. We don't expect there to be a booming atmosphere at every game, but we do expect there to be an improvement on what is currently pretty near to silence. Besides, if the Ultras were a 20,000 organisation the ground would be almost half full with us. If 3,000 fans can make as much noice as the away fans do, i'm sure 20,000 would have the place bouncing. So don't run your mouth with that stupid s****. Flags and banners may not directly improve the atmosphere, but if you were on the pitch and saw a big surfer getting waved across saying "Pride Of The North East" or something like that then that would make you think, "f****** hell, i need to do my bit today!" That applys to the likes of money grabbing c***s like Kieron Dyer. And in regards to you Baggio, i totally understand where your coming form, and another name would be appropriate, but then we would already lose any of the good reputation we have. Our reputation is extremely fragile at the moment and we need to do everything good to make it more secure. (if that makes sense) you misunderstood. the americanised bollocks comment is your whiney attitude towards anyone who doesn't think you will achieve anything, 'omfg why r u dissin us? don't you want the team to be succesfull? don't you want a loud stadium?' Of course I do, and I know how it happens, and I know it won't come from your whiney forced efforts. Seriously, how many more members have signed up since this got posted? ftr I have cheered the team, in the really good times and the bad times in the good era, which is why I know what I'm talking about, and why I know you don't. Like I said, carry on lecturing me if you want, I've said my bit, and I also said you'd be doing your cause no good if you carried on exactly the way you are now I don't wish to keep arguing with you, we're both fans alike. But i just find it amazing how you can go on the way you do, when you're no different from me really, and just for the record i have sang in the bad times of a good era, you can't say i'm patronising when you make comments like that. With regards to our forum, that is not what my post initial post was about. The forum isn't essential, but people singing is. All i wanted from this post was people to give us a chance (which everyone except you are) and for them to help us spread the word. By posting on here i may gain 1,2 maybes even 3 members, but nevertheless i have got more people trying to help us. The forums don't matter to us like they matter to you's, what we do in that stands is what counts, not posting our opinion on every matter on a forum. And just for everyone else who has read this thread, i really do appreciate your comments, and i would like to think that you would be willing to help us if we were to contact the club about a singing section. We might get some sort of petition or something going soon, it seems a bit of a long shot but it may be worth a try.

Yes, of course we will, you cannot be mediocre forever.

your whole point is if more people put up banners and get up and sing then the whole ground will sing I'm telling you that's s**** but f*** it, there are always people who won't be told, and pull out the 'but omfg we must try, why be so negative' Americanised bollocks If the Toon Ultras get 20,000 members and we stay a mid table team, I guarantee the place will still be silent (not that it is silent tbh, but it's not rocking). How the f*** is it Americanised bollocks??!! Have you never sung when your team has been losing to spur them on? It's exactly the same thing! You must try to spur them on to win, i am pretty damn sure you will have sung when Newcastle has been losing, just to encourage them to get that vital goal. So don't give me that shite about Americanised bollocks. The Toon Ultras will never be a 20,000 size organisation if wankers like you go on with the same negative attitude, and i am just guessing here but you must be 35+ the way you go on. It's like you have never done the same as what the younger lads do now. We don't expect there to be a booming atmosphere at every game, but we do expect there to be an improvement on what is currently pretty near to silence. Besides, if the Ultras were a 20,000 organisation the ground would be almost half full with us. If 3,000 fans can make as much noice as the away fans do, i'm sure 20,000 would have the place bouncing. So don't run your mouth with that stupid shite. Flags and banners may not directly improve the atmosphere, but if you were on the pitch and saw a big surfer getting waved across saying "Pride Of The North East" or something like that then that would make you think, "fucking hell, i need to do my bit today!" That applys to the likes of money grabbing cunts like Kieron Dyer. And in regards to you Baggio, i totally understand where your coming form, and another name would be appropriate, but then we would already lose any of the good reputation we have. Our reputation is extremely fragile at the moment and we need to do everything good to make it more secure. (if that makes sense)

That's my point exactly, members off here say that we're clueless and yet i have just shown that we're not as clueless as you think. I know for a fact that the real fans have always been behind both the goals, the Leazes was where the REAL fans used to go, when that used to be our singing end in the 70's and 80's during the days of football violence. But i want to stress that i don't mean the hooligans, i mean the passionate/loud fans.

Firstly, I would like to stress that it wasn't the Toon Ultras who did any of this like someone suggested. Secondly, the throwing of eggs and surrounding of his car are pretty pathetic, and pointless. It just gives the press an excuse to slate us again. Yet i don't blame people for doing it, the bloke is a w*****, and deserves everything he gets short of a kick in. I am not going to condone it either, but i understand peoples frustrations.

I appreciate your views, but we are not "forcing" people to sing. Like it or not the problem didn't arise because of the stadium expansion, the problem has came as a result of over-priced tickets that stop younger lads like myself from getting to the game. Young lads like myself are the ones who make the majority of the noise, it's a fact. I, like many my age will attend games for a day out with the lads, and the majority of the Toon Ultras are season ticket holders too. We don't just go to the cup games and friendlies. Until, either A) The ticket prices go down or B) Older blokes get behind us...your right we will struggle. That is unless C) the club decide to repay their fans for once and create a singing section. I too have my doubts about our organisation, but i hope one day we can say that we achieved something good for Newcastle United. you're just plain wrong tbh. I was there in the Keegan era and everyone was making noise, from the smallest kid to the old gits. And the expansion did make it worse, as it facilitated the creation of the platinum club etc, populated by a bunch of c***s, and shoving real fans up into the gods "Shoving real fans up into the gods", that would be where the Ultras are seated on league games. In addition to that, the majority of Level 7 is made up of youths, people who want to go and sing. The Leazes Level 7 is the loudest part of the ground on a league game, even if half the ground can't hear them because they are so high up. But if you claim the real fans are shoved up into the gods, i am assuming you mean us? The ones who go to make a noise? Therefore, if that is the case, why do youmake derogatory comments about us as often. You might as well have said our cause is pointless and will get us nowhere in your previous posts, but if you do want an atmosphere? what are you doing to try and improve it??? Maybes your sick of trying, as other members have said, and i totally agree, the KK days were something special, and it will be hard to get that sort of atmosphere again. But supporting a football club is 2 ways, the club needs to produce the goods to get the fans going, and the fans need to produce the goods to get the team going. After mediocre performances last season and a mediocre finish, i understand some of the older lads being a bit dissappointed and fed up. But now we are under a new board, with a new manager, and new players. People need to stop being so pessimistic and try to give them their vocal backing. I meant the people who used to be in the west stand who got moved, I doubt that's any of your lot. it's about time you realised that singing is a natural spontaneous thing, no-one is going to be coerced into doing it by a group, and if anything, your constant criticism is only going to piss people off more, and put them less in the mood. sing if you want, but stop crowing on like you're some missionaries come to bring light to the masses, we f****** know what we're about The West Stand-The Milburn, well i've never known that to be where the REAL fans go. I've always known it to be in the corners and the Gallowgate and Leazes. I am obviously not pissing people off, there have been about 15 other posts in here that aren't being as cynical as yours, and are actually showing a level of understanding that you seem to be unable to gain. If you know what you're about, then you would realise that we get a reputation for having great fans when really they're not that great at all. People like you, who can sit and criticise all day, but never gain an understanding are the problem at home games. You may as well go and sit in your armchair, you'd save hundreds, if not thogusands. On the other hand, i understand your points that it (singing) is done out of spontanaity, and i agree to a certain extent. But i tell you what, if you type 'red ultras', 'green brigade', etc into google and you see what some other British clubs are doing to improve their atmospheres, you'll be rather surprised at the huge positive affect on a crowd a 'ultra' type group can have. By a few simple displays, or a group constantly singing, others around the ground (like myself on league home games) feel more comfortable to stand and sing alone, or voice their opinions. I sit in the Leazes Middle Tier on league games, and despite the good view and the friendly people around me, i feel uncomfortable. Why? Because there are too many people who siot their doing f*** all until they boo because they haven't been entertained. The East Stand (where you probably sit) is also full of these types of people. In fact, me and my dad stand at points every game chanting away and everyone around us loves us, not that it matters...because what i would prefer was that more people sang around me. Without the 'ultra' type groups that are emerging from British clubs, i think you will slowly see a working class passionate sport, turn more and more into a middle class pantomime. Ticket sales will decrease and atmospheres will keep on going slowly down the drain. However, i don't see us as missionaries, who are the only ones to make an atmosphere, like we are some sort of Gods. I see us as an excuse for the passionate fans to come out of their shells and voice there opinions and back their team. I reckon there is probably at least 8 or 9 thousand of those in St James' if not more! The 'ultras' group is small, and needs backing off the likes of you. Why else would i be on here???

I appreciate your views, but we are not "forcing" people to sing. Like it or not the problem didn't arise because of the stadium expansion, the problem has came as a result of over-priced tickets that stop younger lads like myself from getting to the game. Young lads like myself are the ones who make the majority of the noise, it's a fact. I, like many my age will attend games for a day out with the lads, and the majority of the Toon Ultras are season ticket holders too. We don't just go to the cup games and friendlies. Until, either A) The ticket prices go down or B) Older blokes get behind us...your right we will struggle. That is unless C) the club decide to repay their fans for once and create a singing section. I too have my doubts about our organisation, but i hope one day we can say that we achieved something good for Newcastle United. you're just plain wrong tbh. I was there in the Keegan era and everyone was making noise, from the smallest kid to the old gits. And the expansion did make it worse, as it facilitated the creation of the platinum club etc, populated by a bunch of c***s, and shoving real fans up into the gods "Shoving real fans up into the gods", that would be where the Ultras are seated on league games. In addition to that, the majority of Level 7 is made up of youths, people who want to go and sing. The Leazes Level 7 is the loudest part of the ground on a league game, even if half the ground can't hear them because they are so high up. But if you claim the real fans are shoved up into the gods, i am assuming you mean us? The ones who go to make a noise? Therefore, if that is the case, why do youmake derogatory comments about us as often. You might as well have said our cause is pointless and will get us nowhere in your previous posts, but if you do want an atmosphere? what are you doing to try and improve it??? Maybes your sick of trying, as other members have said, and i totally agree, the KK days were something special, and it will be hard to get that sort of atmosphere again. But supporting a football club is 2 ways, the club needs to produce the goods to get the fans going, and the fans need to produce the goods to get the team going. After mediocre performances last season and a mediocre finish, i understand some of the older lads being a bit dissappointed and fed up. But now we are under a new board, with a new manager, and new players. People need to stop being so pessimistic and try to give them their vocal backing.

I agree with that mate, maybes i was being hypocrytical saying don't stereotype us when i did the exact same to you's. I was too young to see what it was like on terracing, the only experience i have of this was Carlisle the other week. But like i said in my 2nd post in this thread, alot of it is down to over-priced tickets. For all of those on here who like a sing song, if they get involved with us or back us, then i'm sure it will be a more enjoyable experience for everyone. Can i ask would you be in favour of a singing section in St James'? If the club were to make one... (just out of curiosity)

I appreciate your views, but we are not "forcing" people to sing. Like it or not the problem didn't arise because of the stadium expansion, the problem has came as a result of over-priced tickets that stop younger lads like myself from getting to the game. Young lads like myself are the ones who make the majority of the noise, it's a fact. I, like many my age will attend games for a day out with the lads, and the majority of the Toon Ultras are season ticket holders too. We don't just go to the cup games and friendlies. Until, either A) The ticket prices go down or B) Older blokes get behind us...your right we will struggle. That is unless C) the club decide to repay their fans for once and create a singing section. I too have my doubts about our organisation, but i hope one day we can say that we achieved something good for Newcastle United.

Hi, i'm new to these forums but have been aware of them for some time. I have only read one of the threads on here, and it was the recent one about Dyer being booed. I wouldn't have signed up to these forums if i hadn't have read about events that occured involving one of your members, but now i know of what happened, here i am. Yes, i know what you are thinking, "not another Toon Ultra", "here's another mong to make a tit of himself", etc.. But i'm not here to slag anyone off as such, just try and build a bridge so to speak. Firstly, in regards to that thread, i would like to give my own personal view on the booing of Kieron Dyer. In my own honest opinion, i think he has been a complete waste of money. If he had have stuck to being an olympic sprinter he would have gained more fame, without a doubt. As i believe the only skill/ability he has is to run. After stories of him getting his knob out, burning cash in front of people in pubs/clubs, and of his little spat with Sir Bobby (i think) about playing on the right, i can safely say i despise the money grabbing c***. However, i would never boo him, he's in black and white, and until the day he isn't i wont boo him. On the other hand, those who wish to boo him have every right, everyone pays good hard earned money (whether it's their own or another family members/friends) and each individual has the right to boo whatever they choose. At times, i find the booing pathetic, some people overly use the gesture, however in the case of Dyer i think it's safe to say that he has every right to be booed after getting payed over the odds for unrealised potential, and injury after injury. Anyways, that's that point out of the way, and it's not the main reason i am here.... There seems to be an ongoing saga between the Toon Ultras (of which i am a member) and Newcastle Online, and i am getting a bit sick of it really, so i just want my feelings to be known. I'm sure many a time an Ultra has came on here and maybes acted immaturely or innapropriately. However, the actions of some people on this forum will be no worse than what occurs on our own. I would like to ask everyone who reads this thread the following questions; Despite getting high attendances every week, do we have the most passionate fans in Britain, Europe, or the world? My answer is simply, NO. Secondly, is the question; Do you want it to improve? My answer, YES. In addition to this, i would like to add that anyone who doesn't want the atmosphere to return to what it was like in the Keegan era doesn't belong at a football match. This is a rather stereotypical view, but i feel as though we (The Toon Ultras) are the only ones who are really passionate about "bringing the noise back" and you (Newcastle Online) are the people stopping us from getting anywhere. "How?" you may ask. Well, i think it's simply because this site has an incredibly high amount of members, and alot of which are around the 25+ age group. Not only that, but alot of members on this forum have alot of influence over fellow supporters. It seems a select few of you seem to have the opinion that we are "charvas","Mongs", "the riff raff" etc and when you post on here it generates a stereotypical view of the Toon Ultras. I am also under the impression that alot of members off these forums are the type who would say that standing and singing is a "been there, done that, got the t-shirt" sort of thing. That is fair enough, you don't have to sing at games, you do as you choose, you pay your hard earned money too. But if you expect the youth of today, to sit their in silence, i would advise you to invest in Sky/Cable and watch it in the comfort of your armchair. Don't deny younger lads the chance to do what alot of you probably did and stand and support your team. At 17, i may seem a little inexperienced, but i have heard of many stories about the old Leazes End being the place to go for a good sing-song. "Peanuts a tanner a bag, the more you eat the more you..sha-la-la-la McNamee" Anyways, i'm not here to keep ranting on about you all, i'm sure your all a canny bunch of lads/lasses. Basically, the Toon Ultras are NOT a bunch of charvas, and in fact the majority of our site don't wish to be associated with them, hence the move from the Leazes Level 7 beside the away fans to the South East (Strawberry) Corner. Charvas are as much a problem to us as they are to you, so please don't label us as that. The main core of Toon Ultras is aged around 15-21, and alot of us are currently finishing up school and attending 6th form/college/university. Despite that we do have a good number of older members, who post less regularly. We try our hardest to make as much noise as we can, not "shoes off if you love the toon", "shearer" or anything else that is frowned upon by you lot, but by making good new songs up like: This club is my club, Made out of 2 clubs, To form united, Oh what a great club, We'll always be there, Win, lose, we don't care, We are the Geordies, of N-U-F-C.... We lack numbers however, this is where you come in. You have the numbers, you have the older, maturer (is that a word) members and with your help we can both strive forward to once again make St James' a fortress. So can you please stop lying about us (you know who you are), stereotyping us, and putting is down. I don't want to sound cocky here, but i try my best to do anything possible for the Toon Ultras. You may have seen the Big Sams Black and White Army banner, or the NU (Toon Ultras Crest) FC one at the home friendlies. Well i painted them pretty much by myself. I don't want a Blue Peters badge or compliments, but what i do want is to see the same sort of effort being put into getting behind our team, if not by all of you, by the majority. So instead of moaning about us, please can some of you give us the opportunity to prove ourselves, and maybes help us promote ourself, then like i say, St James' will once again become a feared place. Thanks for reading, (anyone who did ) Your new member. 8)