Its not just the smb having that idiotic debate - a perfectly reasonable discussion on Skyscrapercity was hijacked by their imbecile contingent after sunderland came rock-bottom in the Centre for Cities study (by a country mile I might add - the only place to record a population loss in the entire country). The thread title was 'Why is sunderland a failing city?', until they spat their dummies and the mods changed it to pacify them!
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1617155&page=5
Trying to have a reasoned debate with those lackwits is like trying to kick water uphill.
fuck me, what utterly pointless arguments are being made in there.