themanupstairs

If we finish above QPR this season, does that still make them more ambitious? Obviously it all depends on the end results, and targets/objectives that are achieved (or not). It IS relative. You can't say Spurs are unambitious having sold all these players for inflated fees, and only brought in Adebayor and Parker for peanuts in comparison.

or the next Luis Suarez. Speculate to accumulate. It's not like he was coming here without any pedigree whatsoever. I wouldn't have spent 10m on Crouch, but would have gladly spent more on Ruiz. for every Suarez there's an Alves, Kezman and Samaras RVN? Dirk Kuyt? Van Persie? Swings and roundabouts

Because they're huge heavy fuckers and they can't do them all at once @ Yorkie Geordie: Agree 100% Obviously. Just wondering if there was anything to read into the fact that they weren't taken down in order. Hoping that some fixtures on certain letters need changing or some such.

and who isn't? This is the point, just because we dont believe everything those players reckoned doesn't mean we dont hate Ashley, i certainly do. It's not even that mate. I believe the players more than I'd believe the fans or journos, as they actually worked for the club, and knew more about the way it was run than anyone else did!! I just don't see the point in bringing it up. Instead of posting quotes from Keegan and Enrique on a message board, protest with your feet! You can sit here pining for King Kev and lapping up everything he says all you want. It won't change the fact that Ashley owns this club. I'd much rather be part of a concerted and organized effort to force the c*** out of the club. Protesting wont work, the people who say protest are as thick as mince (joke not meant to offend) if they cant see that he doesn't care what you say about him. Put aside the hate for him, he couldn't careless if you hate him anyway, comments about, only thing he cares about is money, boycott he'll understand that, a hit to his pocket, he has so much money that this club is just a drop in his empires pond, he isn't going to bankroll the club but he isn't going to let it go under either, if we vote with our feet he will only reduce player numbers/wages to cover it anyway. If protesting was to work we would end up with maybe him gone but a team in league one. I'd rather have him in charge and finish mid-table than hound him out and be left in the lower leagues, shitty deal but i'm hoping if Pardew can do a good job with what he's got then someone might look at us and want to buy us from Ashley. I wont do anything and i mean anything to damage the club i love, i hate the bloke but i love this club more, we cant get rid of him unless he decides he wants to go, thats horrible but a reality no matter what we do, to think otherwise imo is flogging a dead horse, i'm getting behind Pardew and the players, if they do well great, maybe a new owner may come in or the fat idiot might put more funds in, i doubt the latter so i'm hoping for option one. But this club is my love, and i'm not Geordie, and i have only a inkling of what it means to a Geordie, but if the little i've gleamed from following this club my whole life, then it means more than most people could ever appreciate, i just wont damage it. Top post apart from your opening line. Two sides of the argument which I think everyone needs to appreciate. Instead of us all saying those who are happy to sit back and wait are thick, and the ones who are protesting are thick, can we all not at least show some understanding that different people want to show their anger different ways? We should all support one another regardless of our differences. Ultimately, we want rid of the t*** and should applaud anyone who is willing to try and make him f*** off. I agree that people need to actively protest, and they will be taken notice of, that's not to say I'll definitely be out there doing it. Try telling about 1,500 L7 season ticket holders that Ashley doesn't listen to them. It's the only reason he moved us. He moved you but not him, thats a point about protesting to him right there, if i knew protesting would work i would do it too, but it just wont work, he is amazing at being able to just ignore the stuff rightly thrown at him. We all agree he has to go, he is a cancer in our club but it'll be on his terms not ours, i hate to think and say that but imo its the reality of it, i want him out, sure chant at him let him know we hate him and want him gone, but when the lads are out there then i cheer them and leave his boos for him when it doesn't affect the team. He doesn't just ignore the abuse, he obviously listens hence moving us. FWIW, I don't want to come across as being argumentative because I see where you're coming from, but if you save your supporting for in the ground (which I am 100% behind), and you don't protest at any point...just when do you give your boos for Ashley? Agreed! The team need support for 90 minutes. Ashley can be told what we think of him before and after kickoff. Nowt wrong with that imo, as long as the team gets the full support it deserves.

Why would they leave some of the letters up if the whole thing was being taken off permanently? Sure hope this isn't true, as it would be tantamount to the biggest scandal yet under the Ashley regime. You can fuck with the manager and squad all you like, but you don't fuck with the one thing that is the reason we're all here in the first place.

and who isn't? This is the point, just because we dont believe everything those players reckoned doesn't mean we dont hate Ashley, i certainly do. It's not even that mate. I believe the players more than I'd believe the fans or journos, as they actually worked for the club, and knew more about the way it was run than anyone else did!! I just don't see the point in bringing it up. Instead of posting quotes from Keegan and Enrique on a message board, protest with your feet! You can sit here pining for King Kev and lapping up everything he says all you want. It won't change the fact that Ashley owns this club. I'd much rather be part of a concerted and organized effort to force the c*** out of the club. Protesting wont work, the people who say protest are as thick as mince (joke not meant to offend) if they cant see that he doesn't care what you say about him. Put aside the hate for him, he couldn't careless if you hate him anyway, comments about, only thing he cares about is money, boycott he'll understand that, a hit to his pocket, he has so much money that this club is just a drop in his empires pond, he isn't going to bankroll the club but he isn't going to let it go under either, if we vote with our feet he will only reduce player numbers/wages to cover it anyway. If protesting was to work we would end up with maybe him gone but a team in league one. I'd rather have him in charge and finish mid-table than hound him out and be left in the lower leagues, shitty deal but i'm hoping if Pardew can do a good job with what he's got then someone might look at us and want to buy us from Ashley. I wont do anything and i mean anything to damage the club i love, i hate the bloke but i love this club more, we cant get rid of him unless he decides he wants to go, thats horrible but a reality no matter what we do, to think otherwise imo is flogging a dead horse, i'm getting behind Pardew and the players, if they do well great, maybe a new owner may come in or the fat idiot might put more funds in, i doubt the latter so i'm hoping for option one. But this club is my love, and i'm not Geordie, and i have only a inkling of what it means to a Geordie, but if the little i've gleamed from following this club my whole life, then it means more than most people could ever appreciate, i just wont damage it. Top post apart from your opening line. Two sides of the argument which I think everyone needs to appreciate. Instead of us all saying those who are happy to sit back and wait are thick, and the ones who are protesting are thick, can we all not at least show some understanding that different people want to show their anger different ways? We should all support one another regardless of our differences. Ultimately, we want rid of the t*** and should applaud anyone who is willing to try and make him f*** off. I agree that people need to actively protest, and they will be taken notice of, that's not to say I'll definitely be out there doing it. Try telling about 1,500 L7 season ticket holders that Ashley doesn't listen to them. It's the only reason he moved us. Good post

or the next Luis Suarez. Speculate to accumulate. It's not like he was coming here without any pedigree whatsoever. I wouldn't have spent 10m on Crouch, but would have gladly spent more on Ruiz.

Also signed Orlando Sa from Porto (another forward).

It was I. I've had a word with meself. Keegan is God and from this day forth I shall w*** over how right our ex-players and manager were. Thanks for setting me right fella You facepalmed a guy for making a factual post worthy of discusion. You could have chose to leave the thread and not said a word, but it actualy seems that you've stuck around and joined in with said discusion (which you originaly facepalmed). Odd realy. I explained myself. If you can't be arsed to read said explanation, then that's your prerogative. I read your 'explanation'. Didn't realise I had to agree with you like, sorry Should we continue to bicker? Over a pint? You're buying

Even with the lies and broken promises, we have Krul, Santon, Coloccini, Jonas, Tiote, Cabaye, Marveaux & Ben Arfa who'll make up the bulk of the squad in the near future...is that not reason enough to be optimistic? Last season we had Krul, Enrique, Coloccini, Jonas, Tiote, Barton, Nolan, Carroll & Ben Arfa making up the bulk of our squad. We could have added the rest for about 10 million. That would have given me a reason to be optimistic. I genunly think some people on here would think "oh well, atleast i'll save money on socks!" if they lost a leg, it's alright been posotive, but to hold such a one way optomistic viewpoint on literaly everything that happens cannot be healthy. Couldn't give a flying f*** how much we spent, what the "balance book" is if we create a good squad, we could have done with another striker and centre-back but that squad's still good enough to do well. It's good enough to hopefuly maintain what we achieved last season, mid-table mediocrity. Unless we have a s*** load of luck, our squad isn't good enough to do any better. The only posotive this season imo is that Ashley may be one step closer to the door. I thought looking for positives tonight made one thick as mince? I never said that at all like, but by all means continue to speak for me if it makes you feel any better. It was indeed some other cheeky fucker You were merely astounded by the futile attempts at positivity. Apologies.

It was I. I've had a word with meself. Keegan is God and from this day forth I shall w*** over how right our ex-players and manager were. Thanks for setting me right fella You facepalmed a guy for making a factual post worthy of discusion. You could have chose to leave the thread and not said a word, but it actualy seems that you've stuck around and joined in with said discusion (which you originaly facepalmed). Odd realy. I explained myself. If you can't be arsed to read said explanation, then that's your prerogative.

Even with the lies and broken promises, we have Krul, Santon, Coloccini, Jonas, Tiote, Cabaye, Marveaux & Ben Arfa who'll make up the bulk of the squad in the near future...is that not reason enough to be optimistic? Last season we had Krul, Enrique, Coloccini, Jonas, Tiote, Barton, Nolan, Carroll & Ben Arfa making up the bulk of our squad. We could have added the rest for about 10 million. That would have given me a reason to be optimistic. I genunly think some people on here would think "oh well, atleast i'll save money on socks!" if they lost a leg, it's alright been posotive, but to hold such a one way optomistic viewpoint on literaly everything that happens cannot be healthy. Couldn't give a flying f*** how much we spent, what the "balance book" is if we create a good squad, we could have done with another striker and centre-back but that squad's still good enough to do well. It's good enough to hopefuly maintain what we achieved last season, mid-table mediocrity. Unless we have a s*** load of luck, our squad isn't good enough to do any better. The only posotive this season imo is that Ashley may be one step closer to the door. I thought looking for positives tonight made one thick as mince?

Agreed. Pretty sure Ba and Best will miss large chunks of the season, and that's the real worry.

It was I. I've had a word with meself. Keegan is God and from this day forth I shall wank over how right our ex-players and manager were. Thanks for setting me right fella

and who isn't? This is the point, just because we dont believe everything those players reckoned doesn't mean we dont hate Ashley, i certainly do. It's not even that mate. I believe the players more than I'd believe the fans or journos, as they actually worked for the club, and knew more about the way it was run than anyone else did!! I just don't see the point in bringing it up. Instead of posting quotes from Keegan and Enrique on a message board, protest with your feet! You can sit here pining for King Kev and lapping up everything he says all you want. It won't change the fact that Ashley owns this club. I'd much rather be part of a concerted and organized effort to force the c*** out of the club. in favour of what ? also the players you mention, did they ever mention their wages in conjunction with imploring ashley to invest ? Genuinely don't understand what you're asking in relation to my post.

and who isn't? This is the point, just because we dont believe everything those players reckoned doesn't mean we dont hate Ashley, i certainly do. It's not even that mate. I believe the players more than I'd believe the fans or journos, as they actually worked for the club, and knew more about the way it was run than anyone else did!! I just don't see the point in bringing it up. Instead of posting quotes from Keegan and Enrique on a message board, protest with your feet! You can sit here pining for King Kev and lapping up everything he says all you want. It won't change the fact that Ashley owns this club. I'd much rather be part of a concerted and organized effort to force the cunt out of the club.

and who isn't?

I can lend you a razor if you like.

No one's arguing otherwise. Point is, so fucking what? Gets on my tits when people stick their necks out with I told you so's like they're some kind of soopafans. It's pathetic.

Biscuits all around then.

And how does that help in any way shape or form? Help? How do any of the posts in this thread help.... It's a stupid post that doesn't help the mood. Don't think anyone on this forum is content with the failure to bring a forward in. Don't see the point in digging up Keegan quotes. because he's been proved absolutely right, perhaps? Righto. He deserves a biscuit. So if people "knew all along", why didn't they protest or stop going to the games?

And how does that help in any way shape or form? Shall I post the quotes from Enrique, Barton, Nolan etc as well? They've had a golden opportunity to put this club back on the map this summer, all we needed was a bit of investment, and we could have really had a push for Europe this season. Yet again, they've us "customers" which is all we are to Ashley, have been f***ed over again. The big worry for me is how long can we keep hold of Coloccini, Tiote, Ben Arfa, Santon, Cabaye etc? They're not going to be happy for much longer playing for a club with such little ambition. I agree completely. Just trying to find any reason to remain positive. We don't need Keegan to tell us that the owner of the football club is an amateur.

And how does that help in any way shape or form? Help? How do any of the posts in this thread help.... It's a stupid post that doesn't help the mood. Don't think anyone on this forum is content with the failure to bring a forward in. Don't see the point in digging up Keegan quotes.

Lower midtable if we're lucky with injuries and suspensions. It was alright watching Ameobi and Lovernkrands faff about up front in the first few games, thinking we'd bring a mobile forward in eventually. Not too confident now.