PineBarrens
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The worst aspect of this stuff and nonsense is we should all be basking in the warm afterglow of yet another heartening derby win against the pallion stallions, yet instead we're reduced to quibbling about the running of this football club - I detest that blubbering mess and his mute-like assistant for that alone.
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'Bartons's greedy, Keegan's greedy, Shearer's greedy, Nolan's greedy, Carroll's greedy, Enrique's greedy...la,la,la,la,la,la,la,la,la not listening' ad f***ing infinitum.
Barton - Left for a much bigger wage than he merits
Keegan - The club were proven wrong here
Shearer - Contract was up, he hadn't exactly shown signs of being much of a manager to get us up, don't see an issue here.
Nolan - Left for a much bigger wage and length contract than he merits.
Carroll - We got a lot more than his market value, he got a massive payrise, joined a bigger club.
Enrique - Wouldn't sign new contract, joined a bigger club.
Nothing to do with the club then? Thought not...
Your seeing it black and white, as many have said there is blame on all sides, your just ranting away, you have some valid points but they are being lost in your anger.
Okay, let's take Barton. The board in a fit of pique put a valuable member of the team on what is essentially a free transfer. Nolan I wouldn't have given the length of contract, but his comments about promises made sound depressingly familiar. Keegan was vindicated by an industrial injuries tribunal. Enrique may well have refused to sign a new contract but had made it abundantly clear that he believed the club lacked ambition. The Carroll deal moneywise was a very good deal, but is looking less like one every day without an adequate strikeforce. Shearer presumably wanted more than ju-ju beans and a curly-wurly as his transfer budget (or wanted £700 million for Messi et al depending who you believe).
So no, it's not black and white, but with every exit through the door the ringing chimes of 'mercenary' or 'greedy' is as disheartening as it is groundhog day-esque. Yes, everyone knows footballers can be greedy and arseholes to boot, but I'd wager that the underlying problem is more to do with Ashley's complete and utter lack of ambition. And again, although there's nothing you or I can do about that does not make it right or acceptable. The t***'s making supporting this club a sufferance than a labour of love.
I'm yet to see one person call them greedy or a mercenary btw. Plenty of people understanding why they'd take a payrise in two cases, or join a bigger club in the other two.
You only need to look at previous posts on this very forum to see Enrique, Carroll and Nolan having those very same epiphets tossed in their general direction, liberally or otherwise. Again though, it's missing the underlying reason why - Ashley has no ambition for this club and seemingly could not care less where the club finishes as long as we avoid relegation.
And yet two of those players are quite happy to join a recently relegated team, and a team who'll be lucky to survive...cool.
Which reinforces my point - they'd rather join such clubs that at least have a sliver of ambition than stay at a club they know, or at least feel, won't be going anywhere. No alarms and no suprises, as Mr Yorke once opined.
I'll bet you £50 that QPR & West Ham don't finish above Newcastle for as long as Barton & Nolan are there.
As long as Warlock Warnock and Easter Island noggin are in charge of those respective clubs, I wouldn't even bet you a pair of orthopaedic shoes that even Norwich won't finish ahead of them. If you're going to question the stature or current staus of the clubs they've joined or about to join, what on earth does that say about us? It's the equivalent of your lass finishing you for a speccy 18 stone geek with a WOW obsession, laughing heartily at him then thinking to yourself, 'hang on...'
These ambitious clubs have managers that won't progress them? Hmm surely ambitious clubs won't accept that?
And who's to say they'll last long there? As long as Ashley remains in charge of NUFC this club will get nowhere. The model was Arsenal, now we're Wigan Athletic with a cold breeze.
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'Bartons's greedy, Keegan's greedy, Shearer's greedy, Nolan's greedy, Carroll's greedy, Enrique's greedy...la,la,la,la,la,la,la,la,la not listening' ad f***ing infinitum.
Barton - Left for a much bigger wage than he merits
Keegan - The club were proven wrong here
Shearer - Contract was up, he hadn't exactly shown signs of being much of a manager to get us up, don't see an issue here.
Nolan - Left for a much bigger wage and length contract than he merits.
Carroll - We got a lot more than his market value, he got a massive payrise, joined a bigger club.
Enrique - Wouldn't sign new contract, joined a bigger club.
Nothing to do with the club then? Thought not...
Your seeing it black and white, as many have said there is blame on all sides, your just ranting away, you have some valid points but they are being lost in your anger.
Okay, let's take Barton. The board in a fit of pique put a valuable member of the team on what is essentially a free transfer. Nolan I wouldn't have given the length of contract, but his comments about promises made sound depressingly familiar. Keegan was vindicated by an industrial injuries tribunal. Enrique may well have refused to sign a new contract but had made it abundantly clear that he believed the club lacked ambition. The Carroll deal moneywise was a very good deal, but is looking less like one every day without an adequate strikeforce. Shearer presumably wanted more than ju-ju beans and a curly-wurly as his transfer budget (or wanted £700 million for Messi et al depending who you believe).
So no, it's not black and white, but with every exit through the door the ringing chimes of 'mercenary' or 'greedy' is as disheartening as it is groundhog day-esque. Yes, everyone knows footballers can be greedy and arseholes to boot, but I'd wager that the underlying problem is more to do with Ashley's complete and utter lack of ambition. And again, although there's nothing you or I can do about that does not make it right or acceptable. The t***'s making supporting this club a sufferance than a labour of love.
I'm yet to see one person call them greedy or a mercenary btw. Plenty of people understanding why they'd take a payrise in two cases, or join a bigger club in the other two.
You only need to look at previous posts on this very forum to see Enrique, Carroll and Nolan having those very same epiphets tossed in their general direction, liberally or otherwise. Again though, it's missing the underlying reason why - Ashley has no ambition for this club and seemingly could not care less where the club finishes as long as we avoid relegation.
And yet two of those players are quite happy to join a recently relegated team, and a team who'll be lucky to survive...cool.
Which reinforces my point - they'd rather join such clubs that at least have a sliver of ambition than stay at a club they know, or at least feel, won't be going anywhere. No alarms and no suprises, as Mr Yorke once opined.
I'll bet you £50 that QPR & West Ham don't finish above Newcastle for as long as Barton & Nolan are there.
As long as Warlock Warnock and Easter Island noggin are in charge of those respective clubs, I wouldn't even bet you a pair of orthopaedic shoes that even Norwich won't finish ahead of them. If you're going to question the stature or current staus of the clubs they've joined or about to join, what on earth does that say about us? It's the equivalent of your lass finishing you for a speccy 18 stone geek with a WOW obsession, laughing heartily at him then thinking to yourself, 'hang on...'
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'Bartons's greedy, Keegan's greedy, Shearer's greedy, Nolan's greedy, Carroll's greedy, Enrique's greedy...la,la,la,la,la,la,la,la,la not listening' ad f***ing infinitum.
Barton - Left for a much bigger wage than he merits
Keegan - The club were proven wrong here
Shearer - Contract was up, he hadn't exactly shown signs of being much of a manager to get us up, don't see an issue here.
Nolan - Left for a much bigger wage and length contract than he merits.
Carroll - We got a lot more than his market value, he got a massive payrise, joined a bigger club.
Enrique - Wouldn't sign new contract, joined a bigger club.
Nothing to do with the club then? Thought not...
Your seeing it black and white, as many have said there is blame on all sides, your just ranting away, you have some valid points but they are being lost in your anger.
Okay, let's take Barton. The board in a fit of pique put a valuable member of the team on what is essentially a free transfer. Nolan I wouldn't have given the length of contract, but his comments about promises made sound depressingly familiar. Keegan was vindicated by an industrial injuries tribunal. Enrique may well have refused to sign a new contract but had made it abundantly clear that he believed the club lacked ambition. The Carroll deal moneywise was a very good deal, but is looking less like one every day without an adequate strikeforce. Shearer presumably wanted more than ju-ju beans and a curly-wurly as his transfer budget (or wanted £700 million for Messi et al depending who you believe).
So no, it's not black and white, but with every exit through the door the ringing chimes of 'mercenary' or 'greedy' is as disheartening as it is groundhog day-esque. Yes, everyone knows footballers can be greedy and arseholes to boot, but I'd wager that the underlying problem is more to do with Ashley's complete and utter lack of ambition. And again, although there's nothing you or I can do about that does not make it right or acceptable. The t***'s making supporting this club a sufferance than a labour of love.
Agree with most of what you put there mate, Carroll is the only one i blame more than any other, he only just signed a new contract, hears of Liverpools interest and asked for more, i made the board right on that one, Nolan again i think they made the right decision, not sure about how it was handled, Barton didn't need to muck about in January when he could have signed but he should not have been allowed to leave for me, Jose was always off for soemone else imo.
Just so happens they have all secured more money elsewhere, not sure that makes them greedy as such, only at Carrolls door would i lay that.
I just dont lay all the blame at dumb and dumbers door, fair chunk but not all of it.
Oh I concur, it would be nonsensical to lay the blame for every single thing that's gone wrong with NUFC, and actually believe it's a sensible thing to try and reduce the wage bill to a manageable level (even though such prudent measures are probably more to do with NUFC being primed for a sale at some point), but seemingly everytime things seem to be going okay at the club he, intentionally or otherwise, sticks his fat, useless oar in and makes a balls up of it - Kinnear, the Keegan fiasco, sports direct signage, re-naming rights, no capital outlay, binning Hughton etc. He's obviously a very successful businessman, but when it comes to running this football club he's like the anti-midas - everything he touches turns to shit.
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'Bartons's greedy, Keegan's greedy, Shearer's greedy, Nolan's greedy, Carroll's greedy, Enrique's greedy...la,la,la,la,la,la,la,la,la not listening' ad f***ing infinitum.
Barton - Left for a much bigger wage than he merits
Keegan - The club were proven wrong here
Shearer - Contract was up, he hadn't exactly shown signs of being much of a manager to get us up, don't see an issue here.
Nolan - Left for a much bigger wage and length contract than he merits.
Carroll - We got a lot more than his market value, he got a massive payrise, joined a bigger club.
Enrique - Wouldn't sign new contract, joined a bigger club.
Nothing to do with the club then? Thought not...
Your seeing it black and white, as many have said there is blame on all sides, your just ranting away, you have some valid points but they are being lost in your anger.
Okay, let's take Barton. The board in a fit of pique put a valuable member of the team on what is essentially a free transfer. Nolan I wouldn't have given the length of contract, but his comments about promises made sound depressingly familiar. Keegan was vindicated by an industrial injuries tribunal. Enrique may well have refused to sign a new contract but had made it abundantly clear that he believed the club lacked ambition. The Carroll deal moneywise was a very good deal, but is looking less like one every day without an adequate strikeforce. Shearer presumably wanted more than ju-ju beans and a curly-wurly as his transfer budget (or wanted £700 million for Messi et al depending who you believe).
So no, it's not black and white, but with every exit through the door the ringing chimes of 'mercenary' or 'greedy' is as disheartening as it is groundhog day-esque. Yes, everyone knows footballers can be greedy and arseholes to boot, but I'd wager that the underlying problem is more to do with Ashley's complete and utter lack of ambition. And again, although there's nothing you or I can do about that does not make it right or acceptable. The t***'s making supporting this club a sufferance than a labour of love.
I'm yet to see one person call them greedy or a mercenary btw. Plenty of people understanding why they'd take a payrise in two cases, or join a bigger club in the other two.
You only need to look at previous posts on this very forum to see Enrique, Carroll and Nolan having those very same epiphets tossed in their general direction, liberally or otherwise. Again though, it's missing the underlying reason why - Ashley has no ambition for this club and seemingly could not care less where the club finishes as long as we avoid relegation.
And yet two of those players are quite happy to join a recently relegated team, and a team who'll be lucky to survive...cool.
Which reinforces my point - they'd rather join such clubs that at least have a sliver of ambition than stay at a club they know, or at least feel, won't be going anywhere. No alarms and no suprises, as Mr Yorke once opined.
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'Bartons's greedy, Keegan's greedy, Shearer's greedy, Nolan's greedy, Carroll's greedy, Enrique's greedy...la,la,la,la,la,la,la,la,la not listening' ad f***ing infinitum.
Barton - Left for a much bigger wage than he merits
Keegan - The club were proven wrong here
Shearer - Contract was up, he hadn't exactly shown signs of being much of a manager to get us up, don't see an issue here.
Nolan - Left for a much bigger wage and length contract than he merits.
Carroll - We got a lot more than his market value, he got a massive payrise, joined a bigger club.
Enrique - Wouldn't sign new contract, joined a bigger club.
Nothing to do with the club then? Thought not...
Your seeing it black and white, as many have said there is blame on all sides, your just ranting away, you have some valid points but they are being lost in your anger.
Okay, let's take Barton. The board in a fit of pique put a valuable member of the team on what is essentially a free transfer. Nolan I wouldn't have given the length of contract, but his comments about promises made sound depressingly familiar. Keegan was vindicated by an industrial injuries tribunal. Enrique may well have refused to sign a new contract but had made it abundantly clear that he believed the club lacked ambition. The Carroll deal moneywise was a very good deal, but is looking less like one every day without an adequate strikeforce. Shearer presumably wanted more than ju-ju beans and a curly-wurly as his transfer budget (or wanted £700 million for Messi et al depending who you believe).
So no, it's not black and white, but with every exit through the door the ringing chimes of 'mercenary' or 'greedy' is as disheartening as it is groundhog day-esque. Yes, everyone knows footballers can be greedy and arseholes to boot, but I'd wager that the underlying problem is more to do with Ashley's complete and utter lack of ambition. And again, although there's nothing you or I can do about that does not make it right or acceptable. The t***'s making supporting this club a sufferance than a labour of love.
I'm yet to see one person call them greedy or a mercenary btw. Plenty of people understanding why they'd take a payrise in two cases, or join a bigger club in the other two.
You only need to look at previous posts on this very forum to see Enrique, Carroll and Nolan having those very same epithets tossed in their general direction, liberally or otherwise. Again though, it's missing the underlying reason why - Ashley has no ambition for this club and seemingly could not care less where the club finishes as long as we avoid relegation.
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'Bartons's greedy, Keegan's greedy, Shearer's greedy, Nolan's greedy, Carroll's greedy, Enrique's greedy...la,la,la,la,la,la,la,la,la not listening' ad f***ing infinitum.
Barton - Left for a much bigger wage than he merits
Keegan - The club were proven wrong here
Shearer - Contract was up, he hadn't exactly shown signs of being much of a manager to get us up, don't see an issue here.
Nolan - Left for a much bigger wage and length contract than he merits.
Carroll - We got a lot more than his market value, he got a massive payrise, joined a bigger club.
Enrique - Wouldn't sign new contract, joined a bigger club.
Nothing to do with the club then? Thought not...
Your seeing it black and white, as many have said there is blame on all sides, your just ranting away, you have some valid points but they are being lost in your anger.
Okay, let's take Barton. The board in a fit of pique put a valuable member of the team on what is essentially a free transfer. Nolan I wouldn't have given the length of contract, but his comments about promises made sound depressingly familiar. Keegan was vindicated by an industrial injuries tribunal. Enrique may well have refused to sign a new contract but had made it abundantly clear that he believed the club lacked ambition. The Carroll deal moneywise was a very good deal, but is looking less like one every day without an adequate strikeforce. Shearer presumably wanted more than ju-ju beans and a curly-wurly as his transfer budget (or wanted £700 million for Messi et al depending who you believe).
So no, it's not black and white, but with every exit through the door the ringing chimes of 'mercenary' or 'greedy' is as disheartening as it is groundhog day-esque. Yes, everyone knows footballers can be greedy and arseholes to boot, but I'd wager that the underlying problem is more to do with Ashley's complete and utter lack of ambition. And again, although there's nothing you or I can do about that does not make it right or acceptable. The twat's making supporting this club a sufferance than a labour of love.
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'Bartons's greedy, Keegan's greedy, Shearer's greedy, Nolan's greedy, Carroll's greedy, Enrique's greedy...la,la,la,la,la,la,la,la,la not listening' ad f***ing infinitum.
Barton - Left for a much bigger wage than he merits
Keegan - The club were proven wrong here
Shearer - Contract was up, he hadn't exactly shown signs of being much of a manager to get us up, don't see an issue here.
Nolan - Left for a much bigger wage and length contract than he merits.
Carroll - We got a lot more than his market value, he got a massive payrise, joined a bigger club.
Enrique - Wouldn't sign new contract, joined a bigger club.
Nothing to do with the complete and utter lack of ambition at the club then? Thought not...
The Alan Carr and McDermott fetus show in effect, ladies and gentlemen.
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So they'll stick by Barton when he's been convicted off assault and spent time in prison, but because he has the temerity to say nasty things about them on twitter they decide to get rid - what utter babies they really are, the hyper sensitive pair of bulbs.
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'Bartons's greedy, Keegan's greedy, Shearer's greedy, Nolan's greedy, Carroll's greedy, Enrique's greedy...la,la,la,la,la,la,la,la,la not listening' ad fucking infinitum.
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the money thing again
,i wonder how many 1st team players the club needed to sell to make some finally realize that it's not the player's fault that they leaving the club 
Even if every current squad member were to be sold and we were left with only Terry McDermott's fetus, Alan Smith and Graham Carr's sexually confused son, there would still be those avoiding blaming the two shitbags in charge.
Is anyone doing that?
Everytime a player leaves it's 'greedy cunt' rather than perhaps looking at why so many players leave. We're ran by the biggest arsehole in christendom - this will not change.
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the money thing again
,i wonder how many 1st team players the club needed to sell to make some finally realize that it's not the player's fault that they leaving the club Even if every current squad member were to be sold and we were left with only Terry McDermott's fetus, Alan Smith and Graham Carr's sexually confused son, there would still be those avoiding blaming the two shitbags in charge.
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Will be drunk in a field
Pardew?
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It must be like groundhog day for the poor get -
'I'd like some new players please Mike'
'No'
'Mike, I need new players'
'I'll just talk over you. Go on, try asking again and see what happens'
'I need...'
'I'm not buying you any new players, I'm not buying you any new players...'
'Daniel Sturridge?'
'Stop mentioning Daniel Sturridge Alan, you're never going to meet him'
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Once again our offer is just below what you could realistically do a deal at. "Well, at least we tried..."
Sometimes you've got to pay the price.
It's almost like that bloke with the curly hair that used to play for Hamburg, Liverpool and some team or other wasn't telling porkies when he accused Ashley and Llambias of deliberately bidding low for players safe in the knowledge that the bids won't be entertained.
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I'm not Mike's biggest fan, but I get the impression a lot of people will criticise the decisions they make whatever they do.
In this instance I'm annoyed about the lack of compromise in the deal. We've got a good player on a good wage (willing to take a pay cut by all accounts) who wants to stay and the club still can't thrash a deal out which suits both parties. I'm not expecting the club to offer him £55k a week for 5 years because that would be lunacy but the contract petulantly being withdrawn and throwing him on the transfer list for nothing has meant the club has lost out again.
I've carefully considered the potential thought process behind a decision whereby you effectively allow one of your best players of last season to leave on a free and now arrive at the conclusion that Mike Ashley is a rotund, quixotic, weeping clunge of a fat, spazzy, blubbery bastard cry-baby.
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I agree that it wasn't right to expect Solano to quit international football. It was a pain in the arse yeah, but certainly not as big an inconvenience as the fitness records of Bellamy or Dyer for example. Nobby was a footballing god in his home country ffs, a real hero, and tbh you just have to let your players get on with it in that situation. Although I suppose if you look at the situation with Giggs and Wales and Ferguson then there's an example of a player putting club far above his country, but I do think it was unfair to expect that of Solano.
I personally thought it was a fair decision to try and get him to quit international football. I think he thoroughly justified his decision in his book, solano went back on his word which caused problems because he'd be returning from long haul.flights 24 hours before games. Players have been moved on for far less. As for SBR getting sacked, I put the blame on the fans first, then shepherd followed by the players themselves.
Really bugs me how people try and vindicate the behaviour and expectations of the fans after he saved us from relegation then arguably made us one of the better sides in Europe. It was one of the best periods in the history of the football club and whilst we didn't play well at all, we still finished in a respectable position. He deserved at least one more year. 5th place was seen as a failure after 2 years of relative success and he wasn't given the opportunity at all to rectify things.
Look at what Liverpool did with Houllier that summer. That's what we should have done. The football in Robson's last season, especially away from home was dreadful at times.
Although it certainly would have been interesting if he'd have brought Emile M'Penza in as our main striker...
Aye, and they were the team that beat us to the champions league slot, too. Too much sentimental revisionist guff goes on regarding this era.
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There's a load of balls talked regarding this time frame in the history of NUFC - there was a section of players who behaved like little twats all season long, and that coupled with the underachievement on the pitch culminated in what happened in both during and after the Wolves game, rightly or wrongly. Robson should have left that summer, without question. The only thing Shepherd could be accused of is not either sacking Robson then or giving him a director of football position. Actually scrap that, the other major balls up fatso did was undermining Robson's authority further be publically announcing that it would be his last season in charge of NUFC. I can't remember anyone who was happy upon hearing that Robson had been sacked; I for one just felt saddened. Oh, and the little cocksnot who was caught sticking his V's behind Bobby's back was Craig Bellamy, so he can f*** right off for a start, the mendacious little get.
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Just seen this retweet by someone on twitter...
@TheLordRowell TheLordRowell
Message to all geordie scum- u might have won but your fans were f*cking pathetic didn't hear a peep until the goal. #ShitFatFans #PleaseDie
15 hours ago
The wearside collective must have done one hell of a keith harris then yesterday - I wonder why they'd reverted to singing the likes of 'blaydon races', 'we hate sunderland', 'sunderland's a shithole', 'la,la,la,la,la,la,la,la,la,geordies', 'united', 'she said no titus, she said no', 'hark now hear the geordies sing' to name but a few prior to the goal going in? Strange bunch. Oh, and Lords do not scoff cheesy chips and court their sisters.
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It wasn't all bad news for sunderland fans yesterday - Darren Bent scored.
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I love you, you beautiful black and white bastards.
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I fear Shola's going to have an absolute stinker today and we're going to be woeful surrender monkeys against these turds.
*prays to be proved utterly, wonderfully wrong*
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Andy Mitten was right all along.
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The threads been bumped a couple of weeks too soon. A bit early to be declaring victory in the anti-Ashley campaign. Just be patient your moment might still yet come.
The sad part of it is that I don't want to be 'right', I want to be proud of following this club and long for the day that a dirty word returns - ambition. I don't follow either Ashley FC or Keegan FC, I support Newcastle United Football Club and will continue to do so no matter what.
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I know he won't and it wouldn't solves all the problems overnight, but I do believe that a lot of ire would be curtailed by appointing someone decent in Dekka's position. Mort was no saint, but at least he communicated every now and then.