Hughesy

I don't think that the negative Pardew posts are as objective and rational as they should be - certainly not as rational as your post. Quite quickly they degenerate into either just plain abuse and name calling of Pardew or posts suggesting that he is clueless, tactically naive and a PR man (or all of the above). you pipe up with this type of thing from time to time, i'm not seeing it myself - look at the last few pages, a rational discussion and analysis of things from both sides with no name calling I think I made one comment in a similar vein. I think the last few pages have actually contained some good discussion, without any hyperbolic statements from either camp. Would like it to stay like that, but it never does.

I don't think that the negative Pardew posts are as objective and rational as they should be - certainly not as rational as your post. Quite quickly they degenerate into either just plain abuse and name calling of Pardew or posts suggesting that he is clueless, tactically naive and a PR man (or all of the above).

The benefits of tracking back.. Which he used to do anyway, before Pardew used it as an excuse to keep him out of the team in favour of Obertan. Don't claim that as a victory man. Lighten up a little. I've been in favour of HBA playing pretty much all season.

The benefits of tracking back..

Can't agree with that in relation to today's match. Happy to agree to disagree though as we clearly have completely different opinions on what happened.

You seriously think Norwich tore us to shreds with their passing? At the risk of being called stat obsessed - how did we have more possession than them, more shots on goal and more clearcut chances if they tore us to shreds? It just didn't happen. There's being critical and objective with it and then there's wanting to see things that haven't happened to support an agenda.

That just isn't true. Not even close. Well - I'm defeated by an argument like that.

That just isn't true. Not even close.

Pass us to shreds? Really..?

I lost it with Pardew when this happened. Absolute arsehole. There was nothing wrong with what HBA did yet he chooses to lambast him and not say anything to Williamson, horrible management. How do you know he didn't have a go at Williamson? Were you on Pardewcam? I made a point of watching how Pardew reacted to what happened; he only had a go at HBA. Were you at the game? Yes. Whereabouts? Gallowgate. From the Gallowgate, you saw exactly who Pardew was shouting at? Brilliant.

The first time I've ever come out of a match really disappointed and critical of him. Thought the line-up was bizarre, the tactics were unbalancing, the substitutions were very questionable and our play from the goal to the final whistle was sloppy, mismatched and generally poor. Basically the same as the Wovles game, but this time we got two more points. I think the line up was odd. Thought he got the subs right tbh. I think we would have been incredibly unlucky to have not got 3 points though.

I lost it with Pardew when this happened. Absolute arsehole. There was nothing wrong with what HBA did yet he chooses to lambast him and not say anything to Williamson, horrible management. How do you know he didn't have a go at Williamson? Were you on Pardewcam? The camera panned to Pardew after Williamson lost the ball and Pardew was having a go at HBA for not clearing it earlier. He was right to have a go at HBA. As he should have done with Williamson. My point is whether the camera was on Pardew from the very moment that that particular piece of play ended until Pardew had stopped shouting. I think we both know the answer.

I lost it with Pardew when this happened. Absolute arsehole. There was nothing wrong with what HBA did yet he chooses to lambast him and not say anything to Williamson, horrible management. How do you know he didn't have a go at Williamson? Were you on Pardewcam?

Like I said hard. Whatever name I give you there will be a problem with it. Dragan Stojkovic. Been reading the Blizzard..?

Not a Simpson fan - but why do people bother hurling abuse at footballers on twitter? It's pathetic.

Robson was constantly having a go at Robert for not tracking back.

It appears that it is most certainly is what managers do when they are out of work.

People who randomly shout idiotic stuff at matches repeatedly. At the Arsenal game, there was a woman behind me who shouted, without fail, when an Arsenal player had the ball a collection of 'Snap him', 'Hit him', 'Get stuck in' - regardless of whether diving in for a tackle was the right thing to do or not.

Little bit over the top - I suspect there are at least a few Premiership footballers with worse technique, let alone professional footballers.

Robson didn't buy that many English players...

I don't mind getting rid of Pardew for Bielsa..

The people who own the club...?

Spot on.

Another very fair and sensible post. On the latter point, certainly quotes like the ones from Carver about 4 days with Pardew defending, 1 day with him attacking do nothing to inspire my confidence that we're working on the right things. Although I know nothing about football coaching, it seems to me an odd way to coach anyway - it's a team game and one that often requires defence turning into attack very quickly. It shouldn't be a case of "when you have the ball, do this, and when you don't, do the other", I think that's overly simplistic and not really reflective of how a game flows. I think this could be a reason, for example that there cannot possibly be a worse team on the counter attack than us, we never even look like starting one, never mind being in a position to finish one off. I think, although I am also not a football coach, that it is quite a common way of coaching to tell players where to be in both terms of attacking and defending when the ball is in a certain area. And I don't just mean your Allardyces etc - I definitely remember reading an article about Arsenal doing something very similar.