Hughesy

Prophet has nailed it. Absolutely spot on.

Incorrect! You must be either Pardew's biggest fan (WE'RE SIXTH) or want him sacked immediately. Pick a side. What is ridiculous is that it feels like it has degenerated into exactly that type of argument as each 'side' gets more and more entrenched in its views. I am 'pro-Pardew' but can see he isn't perfect and has his flaws. Without getting into a playground style argument, i think that the 'pro Pardew' element on this forum are the same - they recognise that he makes mistakes, but can take a more objective look at what he has achieved and the circumstances in which he has achieved it.

What do you expect after a couple of defeats? There are more negatives than positives so those on one side of the argument are inevitably going to have more strings to their arguments. If we'd come in off the back of a 4-0 win today, those defending Pardew would have more than "Well we're sixth" "Poor squad" etc. We could look at the CC normal time and FA Cup game against Blackburn, 2-2 against Spurs etc. as signs of our grit and determination as a team (we're performing with a never-say-die attitude at times), the 3-0 against Man U to show that narrow, direct tactics can result in a good performance/result, the 3-1 against Stoke to show how our rigid, organised, counter attacking football can really damage a team, Blackburn and Villa wins in recent weeks to show that we can grind out a result even whilst under pressure. The thought that we've chanced our way to 6th and the majority of our play this season has been poor is ludicrous. You can't get to challenging in the top 6 on luck alone, and in spite of the manager. It just doesn't happen. We've been very poor in recent weeks, and the football isn't great, but that doesn't negate the whole season. Excellent post - I would add that it is much easier it is to be critical of something and point out negatives than it is to point out positives. There are a whole host of things that we do well and that are positive about Pardew's management - many of which you have pointed out. Who genuinely would have thought that a team including Perch, Simpson, williamson, Shola, Best etc could be 6th? There certainly weren't many on here willing to stick their neck on the line at the beginning of the season. There is no way that our squad is currently a top 6 squad and if we manage to get into the top 6 come May a huge amount of credit has to go to Pardew.

Our players are better than 6th?? I've heard it all now. Priceless stuff.

Can't really reply at length to HTT or Wullie's posts as on Blackberry (and on holiday - this hasn't helped my mood), but there is some fantastic revisionist history going on about Hughton's reign. I can remember many a match under Hughton where we were bloody awful, certainly as bad as anything served up by Pardew (blackpool, west brom, bolton???). Some of the examples given are questionable as well. Not sure why any matches in the Championship should even be considered for obvious reasons. Villa - we played a Villa team without a manager and they could have been out of sight in the first few mins we were that bad. Lucky Carew took that penalty. Arsenal - but for Krul's brilliance we would have lost that. Good backs to the wall performance, but not a tactical masterclass in any way. Rose tinted glasses on that performance or you didn't see it. I'd also love to know what this ideology you think we had under hughton... Anyway - genuinely can't be arsed debating Pardew anymore on here. If you spole to any non-NUFC fan and told them that there were a significant proportion of people advocating his sacking they would think you were mental. Unbelievable stuff.

HTT - we did not pay better football under Hughton or display better tactics. Absolute tosh.

I'd love someone to actually come up with a viable alternative to Pards. The silence is deafening.

Spot on.

Your following the wrong team I feel your pain though. Not sure ill ever witness our team win something in my life time. I was thinking this the other day. Call me sentimental, but I really really want to see us win something with my dad and my brother. I want to share the joy of actually winning a trophy with the man responsible for bringing so much pain and torture into my life..!

Seconded. It's like repeatedly banging your head against a brick wall. A bit painful and ultimately futile.

That's a bit of a patronising view to be honest - people certainly don't need to look at why they watch football because they might think that the team is better served playing Obertan or Taylor ahead of Ben Arfa. I watch NUFC to see them win first and foremost and to a degree that is all I care about. I don't really that fussed about how we do it. In an ideal world -yes, I would like us to play in exciting matches, but that is very much secondary to the end result.

Expectations change. If all we are to base them on is the fact that we were in the second tier two years ago then losing every remaining game this season couldn't be seen as a failure because we've already got enough points to stay up. Very true - but I can't think of many place where expectations go from hoping/wanting to stay up to solidfying a place in the top 6 with a view to having a crack at the top 4 within 2 seasons. That is ludicrous.

Without naming any, I think we are in a far better position than a year or two ago as far as that is concerned. I would just like someone who thinks we can do better than Pards to actually name someone. No-one seems to want to do it. Oddly enough. A waste of time, considering how narrow minded you are. What an inventive way to avoid naming someone.

Without naming any, I think we are in a far better position than a year or two ago as far as that is concerned. I would just like someone who thinks we can do better than Pards to actually name someone. No-one seems to want to do it. Oddly enough.

Who are these managers that we could realistically attract who could do a better job than Pards? Would be nice to have the odd name...

I've heard it all now like, that's insane. Replace Pardew in the summer, after possibly our best finish in recent memory? And replace him with who exactly? Fabio Capello's available I suppose. If we can get someone with a good proven record and has led teams into the top 4 consistently, why not? Always found it strange why at most clubs, the players are paid much more than the manager. Since the brain of the team,fitness and moral starts from the manager doesnt it make more sense to pay your CEO? Always found this quite baffling in football. Dont quote me for sacking Pardew please, i just think if there is some chance of someone better that is willing coach, leave transfers to the management and most importantly could collaborate with team. Btw personally i Think Pardew has earned himself another season to prove himself. Pardew has earned another season to prove himself? Am I actually reading that correctly? You make it sound like we are battling away in 12th position. We are ONE POINT off fourth place. What did you expect? A title challenge? Do you ever watch football? All this nonsense of being couple of points from 4th but there is still 1/3 of the season to go. What if we slide and end 12th or something? Funny how some could assume we can keep top 7 while not looking at the performances on the pitch. Great to look at numbers and Stats but isnt how we fundamentally get those numbers and stats more of reality? Damn - you've got me there. I don't watch football. Not sure why I signed up to this forum actually - must have been an accident. All you can judge Pardew on so far is what he has achieved to date. To date, he has done an exceptional job. At this point in the season, for people to even suggest that he should merely be allowed to have another season to prove himself is ridiculous.

I've heard it all now like, that's insane. Replace Pardew in the summer, after possibly our best finish in recent memory? And replace him with who exactly? Fabio Capello's available I suppose. If we can get someone with a good proven record and has led teams into the top 4 consistently, why not? Always found it strange why at most clubs, the players are paid much more than the manager. Since the brain of the team,fitness and moral starts from the manager doesnt it make more sense to pay your CEO? Always found this quite baffling in football. Dont quote me for sacking Pardew please, i just think if there is some chance of someone better that is willing coach, leave transfers to the management and most importantly could collaborate with team. Btw personally i Think Pardew has earned himself another season to prove himself. Pardew has earned another season to prove himself? Am I actually reading that correctly? You make it sound like we are battling away in 12th position. We are ONE POINT off fourth place. What did you expect? A title challenge?

I've heard it all now like, that's insane. Replace Pardew in the summer, after possibly our best finish in recent memory? And replace him with who exactly? Fabio Capello's available I suppose. Baffling isn't it? Almost convinced he's on a wind up at times.

£1.3 million net from what I can gather. Not sure how accurate this is - but it looks roughly like he has broken even - http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/en/huddersfield-town/transfers/verein_1110_2009.html EDIT - maybe he hasn't broken even - forgot he was appointed in 2008. Don't think it is as much as £1.3 million though.

How much money has he actually spent, on a net basis?

I don't think it's a coincidence that the only times we have conceded 3 goals or more this season, Tiote has not been playing. He is so important to us. Apart from West Brom and Liverpool.. but you get the point.

JH - spot on.

Can't agree that we had a better foothold in matches under Hughton than Pardew. Must have been watching very very different matches.

That's why I raised the point, in fairness to Pardew he's still building. But Bobby really believed in certain types of players like Dyer, Bellamy, Robert and the like. He definitely didn't give a s*** about having big target men up front, in fact he broke up a relatively successful duo in Ferguson and Shearer quite ruthlessly to pursue his own philosophy by bringing Bellamy into the team. Whether Pardew has that sort of vision is where the jury is still out for me. You regard Ba and Cisse as target men?

Just feel he is not nearly physical enough to play the 'tough centre half' role. He isn't as good as he should be in the air for his height, he isn't particularly strong and most importantly he just isn't brave enough. For example, I can't imagine Adebayor scoring his goal if Saylor had been marking him. Saylor would have just thrown himself at the ball and cleared, regardless of any potential boot to the face.