Froggy

Michael Oliver wanting all the limelight as usual yesterday.

Snoozefest but a great point. Man United are back.

Hojlund, Eriksen, Casemiro, Amrabat and Malacia all good signings. Casemiro could turn into a poor signing if his legs have gone already but he was very important last year despite his discipline issues Martinez looks to be a great signing, but injuries are unfortunate again. Antony is a poor signing. He's huffs and puffs but extremely underwhelming for the money paid, but he was available for half that and our board fucked it up. Jury's still out on Onana, but he's not even played half a season. Same with Mount who's struggled with injuries. Most of the team last year. I'm not comparing Howe and Ten Hag, but people seem really keen to. I'll say it once again, I think Ten Hag did a really good job last season. Howe did a brilliant job.

Fully agree. Which is why you shouldn't use the existing squad against Ten Hag. Most of it was utter shite. Let him get rid of it all and build his own team.

Eh? It's absolutely a Glazers/PIF debate. Who's financially backing the managers? Fairies at the bottom of the garden? Since Ten Hag took over we've had over £1b in revenue, and he's got £400m. Since Howe took over you've had £350m in revenue, and Howe has got £400m. Not sure how you don't see this as huge financial backing given that the amount you can spend directly correlates with how much revenue you make and how much money your owners put in to offset the loss. I agree in a way. You absolutely have way more resources than we do, you're just not allowed to use them. Yet.

I was talking solely about transfer spend but wages of course count as financial backing. Look at our revenue compared to Newcastle's and see what percentage of that was given to each manager for transfers and wages. You'll need your owners to pump money in or you'll fall foul of FFP, whereas our owners will put in nothing. You could argue Howe was backed even more than Ten Hag has. We've both spent big. Simple as.

I'm just honest with you. You can't hate honesty. You and your team are fodder.

No, but if someone said City's manager had far more financial backing than Scunthorpe's, it wouldn't be true. Once again, not comparing Howe and Ten Hag at all. As good as Ten Hag's season was last year, Howe's was better. I struggle to drop things yes.

Because you all bully me when it happens.

It usually goes like this: 1. Someone posts about Man United, usually having a go at players or Ten Hag. A lot of the time directly tagging me. 2. I respond in a civil manner. Not having a go, just giving my two thoughts as it concerns my club. 3. Posters go crazy to refute my points and criticise Man United even further, straying away from the original topic. At this point some people will have a go at me or respond condescendingly despite me knowing my own club better than they ever will. 4. I respond to most posts, but start having a little nip back to the less than savoury posters. 5. Froggy's a cunt. Fuck Man United. Troll. WUM. He's hijacking threads again/Froggy's sound man, leave Froggy alone, Froggy's an excellent poster. 6. Insert Kid Icarus vs. Froggy fight. This can lull at certain times of the year when we both pretend to have each other on ignore but eventually one of or both of us can't resist commenting. 7. Man United lose. 8. Rinse and repeat.

Who said anything about where the teams were? You're strawmanning. Howe has spent similar to Ten Hag. Simple fact. So saying Ten Hag has received much more financial backing is false. We weren't anywhere near top four either. But anyway.

Howe has had massive financial backing like. Your spending is fairly similar to ours despite us having triple your revenue. I'm not comparing Ten Hag and Howe though. I'm a big fan of Howe. I'm just saying that nothing that Goldbridge has said there is false.

That was only 9 months ago or something. Beating Barca and winning a cup in the same week.

I think most of the posters on here would probably prefer me to talk about Man United rather than the absolute tripe you posted on Wednesday night about your own club in the Champions League after they didn't make it through a group with PSG, Dortmund and Milan. However, fair enough point about it being the Howe thread. I'm out.

Of all the people to come out with this.

This is what a lot of our fans, and clearly opposition fans need to understand though. We're not Man United in the 90's and 00's. It's not the same club and it's not the same team. Expectations need to be tempered.

We usually start games very well, and we've had a lot of really bad luck when it has come to games this season. For example, we were by far the better side against Spurs and Brighton, conceded and then were robbed with two major decisions. Instead of being able to dust down and go again, we have the same players we've had for years who's heads drop and down tools. The same players that threw numerous top class managers under the bus before. I'd prefer Ten Hag to get the chance to build his own team. In another year or 18 months, if we're playing like we are now then of course I'd be looking for a change. Antony has been playing very well lately. Mount has been struggling with injuries. I personally think Antony is very average, but this isn't the point. He works hard, as does Mount. Their attitudes are right.

It won't be the case in a few weeks, he'll fall behind Fergie. But you'd think he's like Rangnick sitting there with a 30% ratio. Ten Hag gets ludicrous disrespect.

Yes, extremely poor form against the better sides away from home. Do you give up on a manager for this reason 1.5 seasons in, when he has delivered 3rd place and a trophy? Not for me. He's slowly weeding out the lazy, overpaid players. Let him have his rebuild and back the manager. If it fails, we're not worse than where we were before and we go again. There was a debate on here about being patient/impatient with managers. Calling for a managers head after 18 months is madness, especially with what he delivered in the first 12.

He says Newcastle have way more resources, but this point is irrelevant anyway given FFP. You can't spend the way you want to yet. Speaking to fans I know, no this isn't the case at all. Things need to improve, but most still back Ten Hag. There's a plethora of reasons why things have gone wrong this season. Despite all this, we are still in touch or ahead of teams considered to be our rivals this season. Things aren't going to get any better soon, given the injuries. We're heading to Anfield on Sunday without Fernandes, Casemiro, Eriksen, Maguire, Shaw, Martinez, Lindelof, Mount, Malacia, Martial and Rashford. I'm not the biggest fan of some of these players, but we've literally zero options off the bench now.

What has he said that's wrong though? He's not in any way saying Howe should be subject to a media pile on and neither am I as he's done an incredible job, but the abuse Ten Hag gets is mental given what he's achieved at Man United so far. The guy literally has the best win ratio in our history and won us our first trophy in 6 years while finishing third in his first season and is being treated by opposition fans like he's some sort of clueless idiot. It's all a bit mental.