Froggy

Would obviously love Hall as a long term replacement for Shaw, but I certainly wouldn't be rubbing it in. Personally don't think he's available for a price that our board would even come close to considering. I'd have thought £70m and they'll never spend that on a full back.

I'm 16 years in Kenny. This is mild compared to what we've been through on here.

@Yorkie Newcastle didn't get Ederson cos PSR?

Not what I say, for the 50th time.

It may be, but certainly in our case it never seems far away from what is reported by our tier 1 sources. I see it as being at least slightly more reliable than say Optimistic Nut on Newcastle Online. We need to use something as a guide. I think it's as good as any as all it does is go by media reports and collate the information.

Nope, I just use whatever figures are reported, usually from Capology. For us and every other club. That seems quite fair to me. The only time I'd say anything different is if it's directly reported by someone like Laurie Whitwell.

David Ornstein tends to be reliable, yes.

Who Newcastle? Because that's what was heavily reported in the summer.

I think when proper discussion is had, there can be some movement. Kid Icarus has already said a couple of things that made me see things slightly different. There's middle ground to be had.

I never once said all clubs are equal.

It's one of the most important subjects in modern football to be fair. The way the conversation has gone in the last page or two is quite positive.

And you would hand on heart hold this same view if you were still owned by Ashley and Sunderland were owned by PIF?

@lovejoy ^ that's a mic drop.

That lad doesn't need help getting assists. He should have had 30.

I've never called you (or the Newcastle fanbase) embarrassing. I have enormous respect for the club, city and the fans, though like many fanbases (including ours) you're not without your sense of entitlement. The dishing out of the cartel line is what I find embarrassing. It's used for every negative situation that you seem to encounter. Yorkie's post here is an example, and Yorkie is one of the best lads I've met, but he's strong with the cartel craic. Every time you miss out on a player, it's because of PSR. In October you were all buzzing that you had Woltemade over Sesko as well. It's stuff like this that I can't have at all. Especially since Woltemade's total fee/wage cost is very similar to Sesko. Money was never the issue, the appeal was. This is exactly what I'm trying to say. I hate the idea of being owned by middle eastern countries with unlimited wealth. Financially, Qatar was by far the better option for Manchester United, but most of us wanted Ratcliffe instead. The thing is, if the rules were dismantled, there's a strong chance the Saudi's would come in for the likes of Liverpool and Man United as well. It would be a complete shit show. I'm ultimately interested in what people think is a better solution to the current PSR regulations. I think they're doing a pretty decent job at stopping it all spiralling out of control.

What was our bad season outside of the Amorim one? The 8th place finish where we played in the Champions League and won the FA Cup? Even the Amorim season we got to a European final and made £60m+ from the Europa League alone. Remains to be seen how much of a set back this season will be for you as well.

Your revenue has grown 140% since 20/21, ours has grown by 35%. If you narrow that down to the last three seasons where we've been poor and you have been excellent (relatively speaking), your revenue has grown by 34% and ours has grown by just 2.9%. The gap is closing, and closing fast.

Aye identical budgets would never work. If a club invests in its academy, expands its stadium, grows a global fanbase, has huge commercial deals and generates hundreds of millions more revenue than another club, why shouldn't it be able to spend more? If every club had the same budget, you're basically telling clubs that's all a waste of time as there's little reward. Clubs with bigger fanbases, stadiums, histories etc. would still have advantages in attracting players as well. If Man United had £150m for transfers and £150m a year on wages, and Hull City had the same, it's still very unlikely a player is going to choose Hull. You'd likely end up with many of the same clubs near the top anyway, just with a lower overall quality of football as all of the best players would be in other leagues. Not that I have any bright ideas on how to sort it, but I think what we have now is much better than nothing at all.

Maybe so. It's not the impression I've been given from numerous debates on here. I think Newcastle is a great club and a great city. It's not like I'm making up arguments to have a go. If you don't watch PSR abolished entirely, what alterations would you make where it would be seen as fair in your eyes?

The fact you have to go back 70 years to try and negate my point should tell you everything. If the league wasn't competitive, clubs like Palace, Brighton, Bournemouth and Brentford wouldn't be breaking their historical ceilings on a regular basis. Chelsea, Spurs, Man United etc. are finishing in the bottom half of the table. 8 different Premier League clubs have won major trophies since 2025. I also said the league is more competitive than it has ever been. Competitiveness isn't just about first place. Not sure how complaining about clubs having global support can be considered a mic drop. It's pretty weak to be honest. I won't take lectures from someone about my support when I spent thousands of pounds watching us labour to 15th. This isn't so weak. I agree with this (aside from a lot of fans wanting to be able to spend what PIF are capable of spending).

The league is more competitive now than it has ever been.

You're getting there. Just imagine.

They were very happy to sit back and not lift a fucking finger while we were subjected to a leveraged buyout. No other clubs kicked up a stink about that did they?

I feel like there should be a salary cap or something along those lines. I'm not a financial expert but I feel like there should be a better solution than what we have now. At the same time I think total removal of PSR would be a disaster for modern football. I don't want teams to be unable to spend money they have, but I also don't want teams to be able to spend all of the money they have.

Next time I'm in Newcastle I'd genuinely like to sit down and talk to about this stuff properly over a pint. Things come across so much more aggressive with text.