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Obertan has trouble finding a man in the same square yard as him. Beating the geriatric Paul Robinson in probably the most comfortable game we've had all season is literally all he's done right in about a dozen games.

Despite how poor Jonas may have been recently that is just insulting

Is this a fucking wind up?

Ah right then, following Joey's tweets it sounded like he had.

http://l.yimg.com/a/p/sp/editorial_image/95/95948c3af6a3c4b8cb9bf8999fb041d5/song_stomps_on_barton_barton_gets_gervinho_sent_off.jpg I havn't seen the barton red card yet like, but would it have been a red card (by the law) had Johnson stayed on his feet? Because Gervinho's sure was.

Both as s*** as each other. Routledge is average...Obertan imho is below average at best. Is the correct answer

Jonas, Santon, Guthrie, Ben Arfa?

That's nice if you. Thanks. Please will you elaborate so I fully understand? It seems to me that I just don't go with popular verdict... It isn't too dificult like. I made the original point that he's our 'star man', the biggest name player we have, the one who gets people off their seats, singing his name before he's even on the pitch etc. If he fulfills the hype or not is yet to be seen. For some reason though you and James took it as an opportunity to make a point about him not been our most influential player. Okay so we agree that he needs a chance and needs to prove himself. Again, it wasn't personal against you - but many regard him as our star player or to them our best player which simply isn't right. Yeah, but I can see why there is a lot expected of him considering how highly rated he is in france, and what he has shown in glimpses over here. Until he's had a prolonged run of games in the side and proven to be utter pap then this expectation will always be there though, and it's hardly unwarranted.

That's nice if you. Thanks. Please will you elaborate so I fully understand? It seems to me that I just don't go with popular verdict... It isn't too dificult like. I made the original point that he's our 'star man', the biggest name player we have, the one who gets people off their seats, singing his name before he's even on the pitch etc. If he fulfills the hype or not is yet to be seen. For some reason though you and James took it as an opportunity to make a point about him not been our most influential player.

You've completely missed the point of the 'star player' (apostrophes were there for a reason) on about 6 seperate occasions now like heza. I'll let you off like and pretend you're still on a come down from the new year.

i reckon the fact he isn't in the team is relevant It is. 1) It could be because he isn't putting the effort in in training. 2) It could be because we don't feel he has full match fitness yet. 3) It could be that he isn't one of Pardew's favourites. 4) It could be because when he has come on Pardew doesn't feel he as been as influential as he is supposed to be. ... so that's not all there is to it, that was my point Fair enough. Coloccini has an equal amount of technical ability to Ben Arfa - people just disregard it more because he isn't the goal-scorer he's the goal saver. Tackling is a technical ability as well which people sometimes forget. I think technique is generally understand to mean ability with the ball at your feet though and Ben Arfa is better then Colo in that respect. Otherwise, last season you could have said Carroll was the most technically gifted player in the league based on his heading ability. Tackling requires technique, as does heading. Therefore the best 'technical footballer' has the best ability across most of the areas. And ability is not just about technique for me, it is also about other things like being in the right position to intercept a pass, or spotting a good pass, out running an opponent for 70 yards and still having a bit left in the tank. And even then that does not include mental attributes like determination which Jonas and Taylor have in abundance, making up for a marginal lack of ability. Groundbreaking discovery there James

I remember well the days that Michael Owen played week in week out for us. I doubt you could have made a shitter point tbh. But yeah, for a short period before it became apparent he was a total cunt, MO was probably our 'star man'.

He's currently getting his name sung when he's not even on the pitch, the admins of this board have just closed a 1000 page thread on him and. It would be silly to suggest he is our most important player, because he's not (especially he hasn't managed a proper sting of games yet), but he's by far the biggest name we have.

He's definitely our star player like, that isn't even up for debate.

4-4-2 would suit him if we wanted it too, he can go past people for fun and his delivery can be outstanding (the latter mainly going from what i've heard). He's technically the perfect winger for an old fashiioned 4-4-2, but apparently he doesn't track back or something like that...

It's very debatable and we'll not know until he actually gets a decent run of games. He's our 'star man' though without a doubt.

Is evidence needed to back up an opinion nowadays like?

It's fucking pathetic tbh, we could be a very good outfit if we actually tried and it's infuriating as fuck knowing that.

I don't think it's too knee jerk to suggest that should he start Sammy/Shane/Vuckic/Best ahead of Ben Arfa on Wednesday his contract should be terminated with immediate effect.

It's fucking obvious what needs to be done here, it's also obvious that it isn't going to happen.

Bizarre

at Obertan's defensive qualities been one of the reasons for our good form earlier in the season

It's the same drama every year man, this is the start of the inevitable delusion leading up to the game before we dick them and shatter their dreams.