What's the point, that's Bruce done okay then in your opinion? 45 points after 29 games? 50 points? 60 points?
Rafa sorted out the defence for sure, but things can go wrong. Team spirit can go shit. Bruce tried something different early on, realised it was the wrong decision and went back to what Rafa had drilled into the team. That was the right decision no?
Bruce has done fuck all attacking wise, there's no attacking plan. But team spirit is very important. We've never looked like a team, that will go on a 5-6 game losing streak. We are boring as fuck to watch at home, but joint best defence with 12 goals conceded, 3 defeats, and 1.5 points per game is a solid enough base.
I don't hate him. He's not good enough to progress us, he will be gone for next season, and we'll get a new better manager in. That's the correct decision.
Ideally Bruce will go on to get another PL job where he can fuck up big time like he has all his career, and that will be the end of the Bruce sympathy bandwagon. At least he won't have time to wreak the damage here.
How many points did he need to get, for you to say he did an "okay job"?
I'd give the credit to the Rafa coaching the previous 3 years. I don't think he did an okay job, he was just there.
So we put a guy in off the street, we're on 35 points atm? Team spirit still the same?
People won't just look at a number. They'll take everything into account. Style of play, performance, tactics, team selection, post match analysis and of course, compliance with an already toxic club management.
I'd say that in Bruce's case the points on the board are in spite of a shambolic performance in every aspect of his job.
How many points did we need on the board, for you to say he's done an okay job? It's not a difficult question to answer.
There is no number. I'll be big enough to say that i'll never accept what he does because I think that everything we get is in spite of him and not because of him.
If you are prepared to give him credit for the number of points on the board then that's fair enough. Personally, I'm not.
There's no number :lol:
We win the league. "Fuck that fat cunt, he deserves no credit for winning the league. He's fucking shite."
What the fuck are you about?
Win the league
You've literally said no matter, no matter how points Bruce got, you'd never say he's done an OKAY job.
It's an insane comment. Think about it logically FFS.
Such an asinine and disingenuous question, if he had more points then we would be playing better football and he would get the credit he would deserve. As it stands the points on the table are contrary to the displays on the pitch, ergo he deserves no credit.
To the fact he's more than likely kept us up, he's played his part in facilitating the takeover by doing the minimum expected of him, does that deserve credit? Not really, in any normal club, with the financial outlay supposedly afforded to him, he's massively underperformed and he would be gone. Hell, in any normal club, he wouldn't have got the position to start with.
I don't hate Bruce, I hate the idiots that gave him the job, but he hasn't affected anything that would deserve him credit.
Massively underperformed? 13th in the league. 35 points. That's massively underperformed? :lol:
Honestly man this fucking board. All I've said is he's done an okay job this season. Not a good job. Not a great job. AN OKAY JOB.
Oh well if you are up for a sensible debate, here's my twopenneth. I actually think Bruce has been disastrous. You are being misled by the total points malarkey. His tactical ability is zero, in his own words "I don't do tactics". I don't wish to cover old ground as it's been covered numerous times on here but I can honestly say in my opinion his football team have been extremely lucky. I have seen possibly three ok performances, however the West Ham away game was just mental. So no, he has not done an ok job. Pretty shit actually.
Disastrous is when McLaren got sacked. 24 points from 29 games. That is disastrous. We are 11 points better off than that.
We're 14 points ahead of Norwich. We're comfortably ahead of the relegation zone. We've had 9 clean sheets this season. We've beaten Spurs, Man Utd, Chelsea, drew with City. The definition of disastrous is: "highly unsuccessful".
35 points, and quarter finals of the FA Cup is not HIGHLY UNSUCCESSFUL. Not difficult to understand.
The difficulty in understanding is apportioning credit to Bruce, what has he actually done? We've been horrific almost every game, no cohesion, no tactics, backs against the wall. Points/results look decent on paper, no one is discounting that, the means in which they were attained are unsustainable and either lucky or down to the individual brilliance of some of our players at any given time. We are where we are by chance rather than design. The design is the managers job and to that he has failed.
How many points, did he need to get, for you to think he's not "failed"?
Again, if we had more points we would have to be playing some decent football, it's all relative. If we had less points but we were playing good football he would get credit, it's not about the points, it's the whole package.
Just like Robster, and Tron, you won't give me a points figure because with all due respect, you're talking shit.
I already gave you my reasoning for that, but you don't want to hear reason, you just want to stick to your points total. You don't want to hear it, fine, but then I don't need to answer loaded questions.
It's a nothing answer and you know it. It's shows your clear bias.
No it doesn't. I already told you I think quite a few managers from the lower divisions could have followed Rafa into this job and done as well or better.
Do you agree? Yes or no. It's a simple question samp.
Yeah I think different managers from lower divisions could've done as well or better. But that doesn't change the fact that Bruce has done an okay job.
See it's not hard to answer a simple question Tron
I am not sure why you won't accept that while you think our current position is down to Bruce, many people don't.
In several posts, I've said Rafa's drilling of the squad, and defensive process has been key. My main point is that Bruce has kept up the team spirit.
There's been no big fallouts, no big issues with the squad, no ego problems. That's what's he's done well.
Tactically we're shite going forward, but on the whole we aren't easy to beat at home, and the players haven't downed tools. Which leads me to my point that overall he's done okay.
The team spirit was there because Rafa bought well. Meticulously researched players who would fit into the squad.
Just because Bruce could make the odd joke, drink a pint and say ‘fuck’ now and again doesn’t make him any good. He was shit.
The fact you’ve spent all afternoon (and most of this season) spending your energy defending him while getting an absolute hammering is very very weird.
What’s your angle? I’m intrigued. Are you related? The levels of anger and I’m right, your wrong stuff is just strange.
