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Because their players take the chances that are created for them. Manager's fault like

When he did play early on he was beyond poor, Pardew played a blinder with him.

Not denying that the treatment of Keegan was shocking - but lets not kid ourselves that any other owners haven't shat all over club ledgends. SJH, his son and Mr Shepherd for example pretty much forced KK out with the floatation, sacked SBR in the worst possible way and who can forget Poppins gate? Inconvenient truths, Ashley not matter what happens will never be accepted by some due to the Kk man love factor.

He's nowhere near yet. Plenty young enough to become "so good" but he's pretty damned poor defensively, which is after all, his main job as a left back.

Amen

Never a truer word spoken (or typed out tbh)

The free kick yesterday was hardly lathered (like Baines') it bounced just inside the six yard box and went in halfway up the post, if he get's beaten top corner fine, nowt you can do with them. He had 25 yards to react and he "nearly" got there, stands one foot to his left and he keeps it out, as he is paid to do (but hasn't done much of over this season tbh). Perch get's the shit becasue he's James Perch, who was also better than Tiote (when he came on) yesterday. It's laughable, the "shit" players get all the shit the "sexy" players get a free pass, objectivity leaves the room.

Love how the easy target gets all the blame, Colo gives away stupid foul, Krul's positioning is woefull (again) yet it's all the fault of a guy in the wall who holds his ground. If anyone, Colo should be getting pelters for yesterday because his bad positioning/poor play cost us the free kick for the first and he was the main man at fault for the second but Oh no it's all Perch's fault.

I wouldn't be so sure, a bribe would lead to a bribe would lead to another bribe etc etc, nice little earner (and loads aren't on £122K/week, even those that are £122K tax free in a holdall would be nice)

We should have a similar thread for Freddie Fletcher.

Utter Utter Utter Garbage We held on after being under the cosh, having gifted them a goal - if Simpson had done what Debuchy did he'd be getting crucified on here, Krul actually made some saves for once. We won away from home, Cabaye and Sissoko were excellent until they tired. We won after a team came back at us, previously a team scores and we fold, this time we didn't. Laugahable !!, when we lose it's Pardew's fault, when we win it's despite Pardew. WE WON A GAME, AWAY FROM HOME, NO LESS !!! If winning 4-0 is your benchmark of acceptability, you may as well pack in and start watching basketball. Confidence is an incremental thing and I'll quite happily take some scraped results whilst it builds. Either you have as much comprehension of tactical changes as Pardew has or you never actually watched the second half. Oh I'm sorry, I didn't realise you were a professional coach, which club do you work for ?? BTW - Yes we were poor second half, but we hung on, Debuchy doesn't have a brainfart and they would have fizzled out. Them scoring early combined with our lack of confidence meant we were on the back foot. Agree with the changes or not - we held on, and we won, ergo the substitutions worked. Do you have a problem with people passing an opinion that doesn't go along with yours ? What makes YOU think you are in a position to use your pathetic attempt at sarcasm by asking another poster if they were a qualified coach ? You lost any credibility when you started quoting Talksh--e - those people are living adverts for the lousy standard of the UK media, and as for the BBC...doesn't that stand for the Biased Broadcasting Corp ? IF you want to judge any situation properly, you try to get as much info about it as possible....you claim that you want to give Pardew time - have you studied his record with his previous clubs ? Has it occurred to you that there may JUST be a pattern there...? If you are a Pardew fan that's fine....just don't expect the rest of us to take the sort of crap you are dishing out in his defence if we disagree - and the percentages of voters who either have lost faith with him or didn't have much in the first place far outweighs those with opinions like yours. You can freely discuss your views about the majority when you meet with those who think like you in a telephone box..... I'm not particulalry, that's the problem with you zealots, it's one or the other, or black or white even, as I said earlier the truth is somewhere inbetween. Changing managers willy-nilly has never done anyone any good as we well know, I am of a mind to try something different, like allowing a lot more rope before hanging anyone.

You don't, but you'd need to be "in the business" to make that judgement worth anything. If you have seen anyone who you believe can't act, on TV or in a film, (and there are a few I would agree with the sentiment) you (and I) are wrong, they may not act as well as some others, but they can absolutely act, otherwise they wouldn't get "the gig" and even if "poor" they are better than whoever else was available. I'm assuming you are in the business as you are very dismissive of other opinions here so fair enough, I'll respect your professional opinion. Can you explain to me the value of centre forwards being pushed to the right wing when the main threat is coming from the opposition winger down that flank? I'm not dismissive of opinion, I am dismissive of hysteria. I understand my "opinion" holds little water and that in the scheme of things I know ferk all. Won't stop me having said opinion, but certainly stops me getting upset about stuff, because as fans we REALLY don't know what we are talking about. You dismissed my comments about Krul above (or on a page or so ago), was simply stating a fact, a goalkeeper making saves is what he's paid to do, the fact he does that should not be classed any different, or as exceptional, to players making tackles or acurate passes in terms of contribution to a result. IF the keeper is left with "no chance" by the team/defence that's different. The team won, be happy.

And expose Santon

You don't, but you'd need to be "in the business" to make that judgement worth anything. If you have seen anyone who you believe can't act, on TV or in a film, (and there are a few I would agree with the sentiment) you (and I) are wrong, they may not act as well as some others, but they can absolutely act, otherwise they wouldn't get "the gig" and even if "poor" they are better than whoever else was available.

Pardew has been forced to do without Gutierrez a few times in the last 15 games. The record is.... With P11 W3 D2 L6* Without P4 W0 D0 L4 I don't think the improved performance without Gutierrez argument holds any water whatsoever....unlike the man himself who sloshes about buckets of the stuff. Pardew does know better than most on here. He knows Gutierrez does a lot of the teams leg work, which few fans give him credit for. *He only played 25 minutes of the loss to West Ham, a game we were not losing when he went off. On the contrary, that's one of the attributes Jonas gets loads of credit for on here, not sure how often you read these boards. Dave alluded to this earlier when he was wondering why when Agbonlahor came on, why Jonas wasn't instructed to switch wings to stifle his threat. Or at least someone should have been given that job, rather than bringing on a big target man and shunting the centre forward onto the right wing. Maybe because Santon's a liability without help

Howay man, do you honestly think Pardew will have told his players to retreat back into their half for the entire 2nd half, or do you think he would have asked for more of the same? The balance in football matches can swing very easily given the situation. Villa made a couple of changes, and we're gifted a way back in the game after a manner of minutes, absolutely nothing to do with our managers half time team talk or tactics. Villa we're going to show a reaction, it's wether they could score early enough. Their's two choices here. You can sit there and moan that we didn't win 0-4 and twist on about our manager as he apparently instructed Debuchy to concede a penalty and therefore give Villa real hope, or you can take a lot of pride that we fought like mad for the points, the fans AND the manager, and dare I say it, signs we will climb the league. We all would have loved to have racked up a load of goals, but after 49 minutes i'm afraid that went out the window. When a side that has won 3 out of 16 concedes so early in the 2nd period, it became an entirely different test for us, which they passed. Amen

Utter Utter Utter Garbage We held on after being under the cosh, having gifted them a goal - if Simpson had done what Debuchy did he'd be getting crucified on here, Krul actually made some saves for once. We won away from home, Cabaye and Sissoko were excellent until they tired. We won after a team came back at us, previously a team scores and we fold, this time we didn't. Laugahable !!, when we lose it's Pardew's fault, when we win it's despite Pardew. WE WON A GAME, AWAY FROM HOME, NO LESS !!! If winning 4-0 is your benchmark of acceptability, you may as well pack in and start watching basketball. Confidence is an incremental thing and I'll quite happily take some scraped results whilst it builds. Either you have as much comprehension of tactical changes as Pardew has or you never actually watched the second half. Oh I'm sorry, I didn't realise you were a professional coach, which club do you work for ?? BTW - Yes we were poor second half, but we hung on, Debuchy doesn't have a brainfart and they would have fizzled out. Them scoring early combined with our lack of confidence meant we were on the back foot. Agree with the changes or not - we held on, and we won, ergo the substitutions worked. We held on because the keeper saved our bacon on quite a few occasions, not because the substitutions worked. A goalkeeper making saves (i.e. doing his job), helps team win, whatever next. It's about time he did tbh. (of course the Reading keeper keeping it even close first half is not why we lost that game, it's Pardew).

Jonas wouldn't have played last night if Marveaux was fit. A return to "form" here on in with the dropping of Jonas now, as the better players return to the team, will have a hell of a lot more to do with the latter than the former.

Who would do better??. When we have a fully fit squad starting next season IF results remain poor, he'll be gone. He was manager of the year last year, as voted by his peers, I'll take their judgement over some randoms off the internet. Patience is not a noted virtue for football fans, the sort who would have had SAF out at Man U in his early time. I am prepared to give him time (especially given the lack of depth and injuries we've had to KEY players). You mean his peers many of whom have bankrupted many clubs, buy players on obscene wages and the majority of whom don't have a clue about players outside of Britain? I'll take the collective wisdom of N-O over those fuckwits, thank you very much. We see our players every minute of every match. They see us play for two minutes a game. They have no clue about our players. That's why every new manager comes in and starts the same losers until they figure out what we figured out years ago. That's why it's frustrating when Pardew sends Shola on. It's like he's a new manager who's feeling out the squad. He's not. He should know that Shola is useless and keeping the ball. For f***'s sake, most of us figured this out ten god damned years ago. So the combined view of some fans on the internet is of more value than the views of people who work (and get well paid) within the profession, aye OK. It's fine to have an opinion but to even think that opinion holds any water against professional opinion (in any walk of life) is beyond crass. BTW our management/coaching team see them for every minute they kick a ball or run about, every week, know if they're 100% or not etc etc. This supposedly garbage team of ours (or manager) gave Man U the best game I can recall down there for 90 minutes, we were excellent against Arsenal for 70 minutes until we ran out of gas. The answer is not one extreme or the other, it's somewhere in the middle.

Utter Utter Utter Garbage We held on after being under the cosh, having gifted them a goal - if Simpson had done what Debuchy did he'd be getting crucified on here, Krul actually made some saves for once. We won away from home, Cabaye and Sissoko were excellent until they tired. We won after a team came back at us, previously a team scores and we fold, this time we didn't. Laugahable !!, when we lose it's Pardew's fault, when we win it's despite Pardew. WE WON A GAME, AWAY FROM HOME, NO LESS !!! If winning 4-0 is your benchmark of acceptability, you may as well pack in and start watching basketball. Confidence is an incremental thing and I'll quite happily take some scraped results whilst it builds. Either you have as much comprehension of tactical changes as Pardew has or you never actually watched the second half. Oh I'm sorry, I didn't realise you were a professional coach, which club do you work for ?? BTW - Yes we were poor second half, but we hung on, Debuchy doesn't have a brainfart and they would have fizzled out. Them scoring early combined with our lack of confidence meant we were on the back foot. Agree with the changes or not - we held on, and we won, ergo the substitutions worked.

Don't be silly, nowhere near what I meant (and you know it) but you should NOT expect a team to score 4 and then cry when they don't.

Who would do better??. When we have a fully fit squad starting next season IF results remain poor, he'll be gone. He was manager of the year last year, as voted by his peers, I'll take their judgement over some randoms off the internet. Patience is not a noted virtue for football fans, the sort who would have had SAF out at Man U in his early time. I am prepared to give him time (especially given the lack of depth and injuries we've had to KEY players).

No he didn't, he replaced them with players you don't like, end of, there is no balanced view, just reactionary nonsense. Where's the Debuchy outrage for last night, when does Santon get as much stick as Williamson (coz sure as hell he's cost us as many, if not more, goals this season as Williamson has). Impartial views: Nigel Pearson Talkshite: "I though Newcastle were excellent" BBC text - "Newcastle retaining the ball much better in the final third since Ameobi came on"

Utter Utter Utter Garbage We held on after being under the cosh, having gifted them a goal - if Simpson had done what Debuchy did he'd be getting crucified on here, Krul actually made some saves for once. We won away from home, Cabaye and Sissoko were excellent until they tired. We won after a team came back at us, previously a team scores and we fold, this time we didn't. Laugahable !!, when we lose it's Pardew's fault, when we win it's despite Pardew. WE WON A GAME, AWAY FROM HOME, NO LESS !!! If winning 4-0 is your benchmark of acceptability, you may as well pack in and start watching basketball. Confidence is an incremental thing and I'll quite happily take some scraped results whilst it builds.

Geezus there some big babies post on here, boohoo hoo he didn't pick the team I would have. Maybe he should listen to all the folks who don't see them training every day and study the tapes etc on opposition and ignore the evidence of his own eyes and advice of the coaching staff who do see them every day. Which football teams do you all work for? Obviously all employed within the game.