Toonpack

Great idea, clubs like City and Chelsea can have 2 full teams in operation, plus another couple of teams worth out on loan, what's not to like !!!!!!!

For the money spent many of Spurs' purchases should be in there somewhere.

If the cost of using the land to develop the stadium is already prohibitive (£300Mill the article said Shepherd was looking at, years ago) which means extending over aforesaid land is a non runner already. Realising many years worth of "lease" payments "up front" makes perfect business sense. Selling it for £2Mill would be the equivalent of 24 years worth of lease payments, up front. You did not read that article properly. Did like, even if you roll in casino's, conference centre's etc. payback would be unrealistically long. If I remember it was the complexity of any structural work because of the Metro underneath which killed the previous thoughts on expansion, as much as the rules on Casino's, that hasn't gone away. Whatever, expansion of SJP via the Gallowgate is not feasible, from a financial standpoint. Best expansion would be if we can knock down behind the East Stand, which we can't, stupid council and listed buildings holding back the club eh?. If we need to expand, the only way to do it would be a new ground. You obviously didn't like. It would not cost £300m to redevelop the stand, that was the cost of the entire project. The cost of doing both the Leazes and Milburn was £42m and the structural stuff re: the Metro has never been proven AFAIK. Well you patently didn't read my original post either, I mentioned the "whole development" and the potential payback.

I mean, I can't rule it out for the entire existence of NUFC. I presume you don't think I'm trying to do that. I just find it hard to get worked up about because I never expected us to be expanding SJP anyway. This would "rule it out for the entire existence of NUFC". That's why people are getting worked up. I give up. WUM-tastic. I know it would, quite obviously. My point is that I think it's highly unlikely for a long, long time. BTW it wouldn't rule out, for example, buying back the land or moving to another site. If we really become a European heavyweight requiring a 90k seater ground. It would be move to another site IMO, the restrictions behind the East Stand make a proper large expansion impossible. BTW it's not newly up for sale, the brochure for sale states bids by December 2013. Old news being recycled for bites IMO. We don't own the land directly behind the Gallowgate anyway, as far as I know, so that'd have to be bought as well before any work could be done.

If the cost of using the land to develop the stadium is already prohibitive (£300Mill the article said Shepherd was looking at, years ago) which means extending over aforesaid land is a non runner already. Realising many years worth of "lease" payments "up front" makes perfect business sense. Selling it for £2Mill would be the equivalent of 24 years worth of lease payments, up front. You did not read that article properly. Did like, even if you roll in casino's, conference centre's etc. payback would be unrealistically long. If I remember it was the complexity of any structural work because of the Metro underneath which killed the previous thoughts on expansion, as much as the rules on Casino's, that hasn't gone away. Whatever, expansion of SJP via the Gallowgate is not feasible, from a financial standpoint. Best expansion would be if we can knock down behind the East Stand, which we can't, stupid council and listed buildings holding back the club eh?. If we need to expand, the only way to do it would be a new ground.

If the cost of using the land to develop the stadium is already prohibitive (£300Mill the article said Shepherd was looking at, years ago) which means extending over aforesaid land is a non runner already. Realising many years worth of "lease" payments "up front" makes perfect business sense. Selling it for £2Mill would be the equivalent of 24 years worth of lease payments, up front.

So it'd cost £300 mill to add 10,000 seats (based on prices way back when FFS thought about it) onto the ground, that'd only take about 50-odd years to pay itself back from tickets(not counting interest). Even if a hotel and casino (not allowed) were possible you'd be doing well to half the investment repayment time. Crap article. You could get a whole new stadium for that (Emirates was "only" £390 Mill)

They can just record two: Winning - 'Sit deep and pump it long' Drawing / Losing - 'Pump it long' Myth Only Arsenal play less long balls than us, we are second bottom of the long ball stats/per game, joint with Man City. http://www.whoscored.com/Regions/252/Tournaments/2/Seasons/3853/Stages/7794/TeamStatistics/England-Premier-League-2013-2014 Aston Villa 71 Southampton 70 Fulham 68 Everton 67 Norwich 67 Hull 66 Cardiff 66 West Ham 66 Swansea 65 Sunderland 65 Tottenham 64 Chelsea 63 Man United 62 WBA 62 Crystal Palace 62 Stoke 60 Liverpool 56 Man City 55 NUFC 55 Arsenal 54

Wonder if she's happy her email is now fully in the public domain It already was, what with her being an MP and that. Never looked for an MP's "work" email, wasn't sure if it was easily available or not. It has to be, its the whole point of being an MP. One would think their address is readily available and perhaps their office email, but just thought they'd have a personal "work" email which they'd not want spammed by the general populace (or their constituents even). Hey Ho, no matter.

Wonder if she's happy her email is now fully in the public domain It already was, what with her being an MP and that. Never looked for an MP's "work" email, wasn't sure if it was easily available or not.

Wonder if she's happy her email is now fully in the public domain

Yes, No (he missed the tap in)

There's no doubt it's shit, but it's not particularly "out of the ordinary shit" for us since halfway through last century, never mind since the millennium.

fyp You haven't fixed his post at all, only 6 clubs have won the FA Cup more than us. Stop trying to make our current record look better than it is. When we last won it, no-one had won it more times than us, and of the 6 with more wins than us, 5 of them have won it more times than we ever have since we last won it. FFS stop trying to make our record over more than half a century look better than it is

fyp

Since Ashley took over, how many times have we been past the fourth round of any domestic cup competition? How far back in Newcastle's history do you have to go to find that many consecutive seasons of not getting past that stage in those competitions? How many FA Cup games has Alan Pardew, the second longest serving Premier League manager, won with Newcastle United? Which would be encouraging for the future and imply that would be a good competition for us to try and excel in, if we hadn't since decided we don't want to compete in it. Oh our recent record is crap, but it's more the rule than the exception over our recent (40-odd years) history.

What a heap of s****, we haven't won a trophy for 45 years and it's all Pardew's fault. bang on It's not like Keegan or Robson won trophies either, it's just that they competed (You could argue they had full control and funds to spend on decent players), they also had a different mentality to Pardew and were not s*** scared of teams. We dominated most of them. Since we got to the League Cup final in 1976 (I was there btw, Dennis cunting Tuart!!!) we've had 76 domestic cup campaigns. In 65 of them we've failed to get past the 5th round. We got to the 1/4 final of the Uefa last season, that's better than our "par for the course" tbh

What a heap of s****, we haven't won a trophy for 45 years and it's all Pardew's fault. The issue isn't not winning trophies, it's not trying to win trophies. We try, we put 11 men on the pitch, we're just shit at it.

What a heap of s****, we haven't won a trophy for 45 years and it's all Pardew's fault. http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/Oprah-You-Mad.gif Can't see where the writer has blamed Pardew for a trophy-less 45 years. And it helps that we don't get knocked out at the earliest available round, Alan. He doesn't but to claim what Pardew said is an insult to fans is beyond crass. We don't win shit and haven't for a long long time, we're also not averse, historically, to getting blown out of competitions by lower class opposition.

What a heap of shite, we haven't won a trophy for 45 years and it's all Pardew's fault.

Maybe the disabled supporters are getting p*ssed off with able bodied folks cheating their way in and spoiling it for the real disabled folks (re the "it's a big problem at SJP" comment). How are they "spoiling it" for the "real" disabled folks? Get a f***ing grip for crying out loud. I bet you're the kind of bloke who watched the Paralympics merely looking for athletes swinging the lead. A disabled supporter mentioned it in a quote "their tickets can’t be used by someone able-bodied unless its upgraded, it's a big problem at SJP.” Don't try and have a clever shite pop at me when it's a disabled supporter who raised it, I simply highlighted that.

Maybe the disabled supporters are getting p*ssed off with able bodied folks cheating their way in and spoiling it for the real disabled folks (re the "it's a big problem at SJP" comment).

http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/...-after-6681465 However, Terry Meadows, one of the founding members of the Newcastle United Disabled Supporters Association, said he believed the club were completely right to suspend Lilian’s ticket. Terry, who suffers from multiple sclerosis, said: “Newcastle’s ground has one of the biggest disabled areas in the country, it is fantastic and that woman has no right to condemn the club. I think the club did right. All her son had to do was go to the ticket office and explain and pay a little more.” Paralympic champion Stephen Miller, who hails from Cramlington, wrote on Twitter: “Disabled fans should know their tickets can’t be used by someone able-bodied unless its upgraded, it's a big problem at SJP.”

You make it sound like to make a profit should be our objective, like any other business'? Nah, I've said before that any money we make should be invested. I meant it terms of attracting a buyer, will the financial situation ever be good enough to attract anyone except someone prepared to sink millions into the club every year? Fair enough. I happen to think ownership of a football club does not represent a good investment in financial terms, certainly if you take into account the criticism you are likely to receive because you hold stewardship of something many people hold dear. I can get behind an owner who makes it clear the club must live within its means, but who galvanizes the entire organisation to be the best it possibly can, even if that includes selling its best players when their stock is high, as long as (as you say) any money the club makes is reinvested and appointments (staff and players) show an ambition/desire to improve over time. The alternative, a sugar daddy willing to take on Chelsea and Manchester City is highly unlikely, so not really worth contemplating. So, whilst Ashley's basic approach in itself isn't far off, his actual implementation of the plan is disastrous, and raises the question if the plan as communicated is actually the plan that is being worked towards. The best we can hope for is he loses interest and decides to cut his losses, or he refinds his enthousiasm and starts practicing as he (or his directors) preaches. At this point, I won't be holding my breath until either scenario happens, sadly. Spot on

But, in truth, most teams do, if you think about it, unless or until they have an up front surplus from somewhere, be that a loan from a bank or a dip into the owners pocket or saved up profit/cash. Our owner isn't going to dip into his own pocket, therefore until we generate some surplus/cash up front (i.e.have cash in the bank) the only way to generate it is to sell to buy. Given we haven't bought for a year, we shouldn't have to do that any longer tbh. Unless of course he's taking back his loans asap. They don't. And would a TV bonus be on of those things? Course they do, if they don't have the cash from another source, and of course the TV cash is all in the pot (when it's received). We "should" have a very healthy pot, come the summer, unless MA is taking back his loans pronto.