Toonpack

Basically this Would either of you walk away from your paid job for "dignity" reasons ?? It seems to me that those who "fall on their sword" are independently wealthy enough to do so.

Can you confirm that ?? http://www.philmacgiollabhain.ie/free-the-magpie-five/

He'll just tell the SFA to fuck off, which is what he's doing now. SFA is riddled with Rangers men and is corrupt beyond belief, if they fuck with Ashley he'll fuck Rangers (having secured all the profitable bits and assets) so they'll back off.

The champions are promoted to the Premiership and clubs in 2nd, 3rd and 4th enter two-legged play-offs. The winner of 4th v 3rd plays 2nd, with the winner of that tie up against the club finishing 11th in the Premiership.

Back on topic, The Rangers "working his notice" head coach has been told that our 5 loaned players must play every game.

I must have missed the success. Success is winning things IMO, outside of 1969 (and Texaco Cup) we haven't done that in my lifetime. 10 Years ago for SBR, 20 years ago for KK, ain't that recent, if it's considered success or not. Yes I am a miserable twat.

I think many would give their right arms to be in our situation.

Who's happy I'm just beyond getting desperately upset is all. Not saying anyone is happy but I disagree with our situation being down to the status and hierarchies of teams in the modern game. It's significantly down to mike Ashley and not the status of the other teams. There's 82 other groups of fans who must wonder what the fuck we're so fed up about.

Who's happy I'm just beyond getting desperately upset is all.

There wasn't the false ceiling of the top of the league being locked in, in the 90's. What is enjoyment as a fan ? Watching a game and hopefully winning more of those than losing I reckon. IMO it is the fact that it is not a real competition anymore that makes the mediocrity position feel locked in more than any other factor, the current NUFC approach may make it feel more so, but it ain't the root cause, again IMO.

It's nowt to do with accepting anything like a little bitch, or a lack of intelligence, there's a HUGE number of people who quite simply just like to go and watch a game of football. That's what it used to be about for just about everyone, it was only about the match on a Saturday because if you didn't go you didn't see it (now of course that's the match on any given day of the week at a time decided by a TV company).

Fair do's, I fucking despise Rangers btw, jolly jape by some child that name change. Insightful, thanks for that.

I, nor my mates, or my sons, or many others (Ujpest on here as an example and thousands, even tens of thousands of other match-goers), don't feel a tenth as bad as you do either, therefore your point is ...........erm, pointless.

I agree with a lot of that BUT I do disagree that it's simply down to one man, IMO it's down to football itself. The game's a phony as far as real competition is concerned. Football has changed massively over the last 20 years and not necessarily for the better, but to not try to be the best the club can possibly be and try to offer some kind of reward to the fans that turn up despite the lack of a meaningful trophy since 1969 is unforgivable. And that's all down to one man. I agree, apart from the last bit, I happen to hope (admittedly this hope is about as reasonable as my yearly hope of winning something) that Ashley is playing the long game and the club is being built organically towards the point where, within its means (because that's the only way it'll happen, less a sale to an Arab prince) it will progress. I much prefer to maintain that hope than wallow in/see everything in the negative. But experience of Ashley points to the exact opposite of this? He treat 2 of the clubs legends like dirt and continues to hold the fans - his paying public - in utter disdain. He doesn't communicate with supporters, he employs yes men and lick arses. He admitted to purposefully lying to fans and press alike. The club is in limbo and will remain in limbo until he decides he's had enough. I dread to think the state the club will be in by that point. I already see more Man City and Chelsea shirts than ever in the region and that's f***ing heartbreaking to anybody who has seen the potential this club has. Ashley has ruined that potential, sapped the club of all self worth and turned into a bill board for his shops. Once again, as a supporter, I have never felt like my support means so little to the owners of this club. It used to be Man Utd shirts when I was younger (70's), they were the only team that recognised the potential of merchandise that early on. I don't buy this soul of the club stuff as an NUFC only thing, football sold it's soul to Sky and ££££'s Ashley is a cunt, no doubt, but then again successful businessmen tend to be exactly that. The disdain fans are held in is no greater now than it ever was IMO and no different from any other clubs at the upper end of the league where attendances really don't matter like they did. Atmosphere has all but gone, but that's a football wide thing, you are expected to turn up, bloody well sit down and don't get annoyed or shout anything "offensive", applaud politely and simply be a consumer. As I said in another post, I retain hope (however forlorn) that by slow organic growth the club can achieve it's potential, that hope is based on the fact that Ashley (the cunt) is successful and he became that way by playing the long game. My concern is that the reality of that potential will be stifled by the way the game has become rigged financially to the benefit of clubs run by Oligarchs, Arabs (and the ridiculous loan system) and those clubs (unlike us) who managed to stay at the top of the tree when the money really exploded. The main worry is that the reality of realising that potential, due to the aforementioned financial imbalance, might actually be top 5-10 year on year. I'm not mentioning cups because I'm in the "if your name's on it" camp, and we haven't had that for 60 years. On the bright side, maybe he's clearing the decks to flog us, new owners rarely like an incumbent manager - we don't have one, new managers like their own players and we've plenty scope for that having been pared down etc.

I agree with a lot of that BUT I do disagree that it's simply down to one man, IMO it's down to football itself. The game's a phony as far as real competition is concerned. Football has changed massively over the last 20 years and not necessarily for the better, but to not try to be the best the club can possibly be and try to offer some kind of reward to the fans that turn up despite the lack of a meaningful trophy since 1969 is unforgivable. And that's all down to one man. I agree, apart from the last bit, I happen to hope (admittedly this hope is about as reasonable as my yearly hope of winning something) that Ashley is playing the long game and the club is being built organically towards the point where, within its means (because that's the only way it'll happen, less a sale to an Arab prince) it will progress. I much prefer to maintain that hope than wallow in/see everything in the negative.

OOOH that's nice, pretty sure if I posted similar I'd get banned.

Needs a requote.. Only to show how misguided it is. How does stating that how (in my experience) it is not the worst it's ever been, get twisted into a defence of Ashley. Some folks on here are so blinded they see very contradictory point made as cause to bring out the pitchforks and lynchmob mentality. It's pathetic. Everything is always made one extreme or the other.

You will fight how exactly, it is what it is, there's no winning of any fight ?? The vast majority of match going fans simply go because they like to watch a game of football. s*** we haven't won anything for decades and decades and still 50K turn up. Absolutely spineless. Can't be f***ed. No answer you mean

Yeah and we played in cup finals under the Seymour's/McKeag's etc. I don't want the club to just play in a cup final (been there, seen it, done it, got the rosette and shite memories of losing) I'd like them to win one and the sad fact is that since 1988 only Wimbledon, Everton, Portsmouth and Wigan have done that, otherwise it's been a parade of the usual suspects. Let's face it that success has served 3 of those 4 very well indeed hasn't it.

You will fight how exactly, it is what it is, there's no winning of any fight ?? The vast majority of match going fans simply go because they like to watch a game of football. Shit we haven't won anything for decades and decades and still 50K turn up.

I agree with a lot of that BUT I do disagree that it's simply down to one man, IMO it's down to football itself. The game's a phony as far as real competition is concerned.

;D Hes not spent a dime on the ground :lol: It was SJH and Fs that regenerated the stadium. All Ashley has done is curt costs to the bare minimum. Genius!!!! :lol: OH and lets not forget the free advertising for SD slapped all over the stadium that NUFC get nothing from. Great times! I will tell my future children about this last 8 years. Oh dear !! Wullie types some s**** and the agenda driven take it as gospel hahahahaha I never mentioned Ashley in any of those contexts btw What an odd individual. You must know who that Pack prick is by now? Why anyone engages with him is beyond me. Yeah someone has a different opinion, KILL THEM NOW, must conform to the collective :lol:

Hes not spent a dime on the ground :lol: It was SJH and Fs that regenerated the stadium. All Ashley has done is curt costs to the bare minimum. Genius!!!! :lol: OH and lets not forget the free advertising for SD slapped all over the stadium that NUFC get nothing from. Great times! I will tell my future children about this last 8 years. Oh dear !! Wullie types some s**** and the agenda driven take it as gospel hahahahaha I never mentioned Ashley in any of those contexts btw What an odd individual. You must know who that Pack prick is by now? Why anyone engages with him is beyond me. And you are ?????????

Aye Ok, I was wrong, todays NUFC is worse than at any time I can recall

Hes not spent a dime on the ground :lol: It was SJH and Fs that regenerated the stadium. All Ashley has done is curt costs to the bare minimum. Genius!!!! :lol: OH and lets not forget the free advertising for SD slapped all over the stadium that NUFC get nothing from. Great times! I will tell my future children about this last 8 years. Oh dear !! Wullie types some shite and the agenda driven take it as gospel hahahahaha I never mentioned Ashley in any of those contexts btw