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They will have to show that PIF, a separate legal entity, were involved in piracy, if the can’t then the takeover will go through. what are you basing this confident post on? Read the last couple of paragraphs of this report. https://www.footballlaw.co.uk/articles/newcastle-united-fc-takeover-and-the-premier-leagues-owners-and-directors-test there's a lot of sense there, however it kind of ignores that the PL are allowed to reject "if they believe" (or words to that effect) that an applicant is guilty of something and the massive unknown here is just what pressure/influence exactly qatar is throwing at this...PL execs will be as corrupt as anyone else, if they're being bought off then that'll be that fwiw i've always thought they'd approve it and still do Surely if you believe something it has to be based on something and they’d have to give their reasoning. That may well lead to the UK Court action by PIF. I think it’ll be approved to, it would appear that the government don’t want the Saudi’s pissed off given they spend billions in the UK every year. I’m sure the PL are being leaned on a little.
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Isn't It because it can be appealed when published? In which case they wouldn't be able to use the judgement... So does that mean the whole report is meaningless to this takeover ? If so why wait for it at all? Well depending on what the report says I guess it could be used to block the takeover, if that's what they wanted. Personally, I think there is a lot of truth in the talk of negotiations between the PL, SA and Qatar on dealing with the protection of Beins broadcasting rights If an agreement is reached, then there isn't really anyone else the PL need to be concerned about. The report can then be published but hopefully a resolution would already be in place and no appeals. If no agreement, then the PL could use the report as they deem fit. Who would they appeal to? The WTO Court of Arbitration isn’t quorate so not sitting. They can still appeal can't they? It just won't be heard until they are sitting. Obviously I don't really have a clue They can, however its Trump who is holding the process up as he refuses to nominate US representatives, he’s objecting to his perceived awareness that the WTO favours China. It only takes one country to object and Trump is. Mind I’m no expert on the WTO it’s what I’ve read online.
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Isn't It because it can be appealed when published? In which case they wouldn't be able to use the judgement... So does that mean the whole report is meaningless to this takeover ? If so why wait for it at all? Well depending on what the report says I guess it could be used to block the takeover, if that's what they wanted. Personally, I think there is a lot of truth in the talk of negotiations between the PL, SA and Qatar on dealing with the protection of Beins broadcasting rights If an agreement is reached, then there isn't really anyone else the PL need to be concerned about. The report can then be published but hopefully a resolution would already be in place and no appeals. If no agreement, then the PL could use the report as they deem fit. Who would they appeal to? The WTO Court of Arbitration isn’t quorate so not sitting.
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They will have to show that PIF, a separate legal entity, were involved in piracy, if the can’t then the takeover will go through. what are you basing this confident post on? Read the last couple of paragraphs of this report. https://www.footballlaw.co.uk/articles/newcastle-united-fc-takeover-and-the-premier-leagues-owners-and-directors-test
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I'm thinking the latter. You do get the sense that things have been stalled in line with this WTO release. I guess we’ll have to wait and see ? It still all depends on the legal status of PIF being a separate entity, if, and it looks like they are a separate entity, then it should go through. It’s worth reading the legal opinion of a barrister, not the entire report, the conclusion. Mind it’s only a legal opinion but has much more substance than claims on here that it’s part of the Saudi state. https://www.footballlaw.co.uk/articles/newcastle-united-fc-takeover-and-the-premier-leagues-owners-and-directors-test That last bit. ∆ On 2 June 2020 Qatari- and Saudi- based lawyers provided confirmation to this author that KSA PIF is a separate legal entity. Ultimately that’s what it’s all about.
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I'm thinking the latter. You do get the sense that things have been stalled in line with this WTO release. I guess we’ll have to wait and see ? It still all depends on the legal status of PIF being a separate entity, if, and it looks like they are a separate entity, then it should go through. It’s worth reading the legal opinion of a barrister, not the entire report, the conclusion. Mind it’s only a legal opinion but has much more substance than claims on here that it’s part of the Saudi state. https://www.footballlaw.co.uk/articles/newcastle-united-fc-takeover-and-the-premier-leagues-owners-and-directors-test
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hadn't realised Ashley had killed a man or ran an illegal streaming service. Neither have the PIF directors, the Reubens, or Staveley. Although Amanada is up in court so count vouch 100% for her, but I don't think she has. PIF directors have absolutely killed thousands of people Tedious, if the takeover goes through I trust you won’t be going to games then? I only show up when blatant lies are reported as fact. This isn't the propaganda thread btw mate, there's a positive news thread if that's all you want to see. I've already answered your question about 5 times so look it up Oh, I’ve never asked you the question before so an answer would be nice.
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hadn't realised Ashley had killed a man or ran an illegal streaming service. Neither have the PIF directors, the Reubens, or Staveley. Although Amanada is up in court so count vouch 100% for her, but I don't think she has. PIF directors have absolutely killed thousands of people Tedious, if the takeover goes through I trust you won’t be going to games then?
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hadn't realised Ashley had killed a man or ran an illegal streaming service. Neither have the PIF directors, the Reubens, or Staveley. Although Amanada is up in court so count vouch 100% for her, but I don't think she has. MbS is the chairman of PIF, he's the de facto head of state in what is one of the few remaining absolute monarchies in the world. You’re posting in the wrong thread, try this one. https://www.newcastle-online.org/forum/index.php?topic=104068.0
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Who passed the appeal or gave a verdict, the WTO Court of Arbitration isn’t functioning. We have to check What was the source of that claim again? This is the relevant text from https://www.wto.org/english/thewto_e/whatis_e/tif_e/disp1_e.htm "Each appeal is heard by three members of a permanent seven-member Appellate Body set up by the Dispute Settlement Body and broadly representing the range of WTO membership. Members of the Appellate Body have four-year terms. They have to be individuals with recognized standing in the field of law and international trade, not affiliated with any government." https://business.financialpost.com/opinion/in-one-month-the-wto-court-of-appeal-goes-lights-out-well-be-in-uncharted-global-trade-waters https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/LSB/LSB10385 https://www.theregreview.org/2019/10/14/caporal-global-trade-organization-dispute-settlement-system/
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The report is complete. So nothing to delay it. Still due on the 14th (I think). Unless it's appealed against by either or both sides Yes but it can’t be appealed until it’s unveiled... surely? Which is what I (thought I) was answering. Correct. Incorrect https://www.wto.org/english/thewto_e/whatis_e/tif_e/disp1_e.htm So is it possible this report will not apportion blame, but make recommendations for a resolution ? Just by browsing through random reports, they are pretty direct in their statements. For reference, this one concerns the Qatar blockade in general trade terms and it's (understandably) pretty damning on KSA: https://www.wto.org/english/tratop_e/dispu_e/cases_e/ds528_e.htm (The link under latest documents) It still all comes back to whether PIF is a separate legal entity. It’s worth reading through that Football Law Report which seems to indicate the KSA/PIF is a separate entity. https://www.footballlaw.co.uk/articles/newcastle-united-fc-takeover-and-the-premier-leagues-owners-and-directors-test
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Because the WTO Court of Arbitration isn’t quorate therefore there’s no one to hear an appeal. That doesn't mean they cant lodge one though surely..... does it? Just because the machinery isnt there shouldn't prevent a lawful appeal, it just can't be heard But how long will it go on for? That would be grossly unfair on the plaintiff and the appellant, don’t you think?