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If only this last bit was true, and it would make the slightest bit of difference to how our club was run, I'd say pass me a red and white scarf for Sunday. As it is a sunderland win would make no difference to how Ashley operates, and would just be something they would taunt us with at every single derby for a very very long time. For many, I imagine the pleasure involved in a trophy win would be derived purely from the sense of one-upmanship over NUFC. For that reason, it's Man City as the better of two evils for me, but if they win it'll be relief more than anything. Even if the game ends 14-0 I don't understand how anyone could get genuine whole-hearted pleasure from laughing at sunderland in our position. We'd love to be going to Wembley, we won't be going for a long time and that is just depressing as fuck.

This. Had to have an argument with one of them a few weeks ago because he actually thought our stadium was called the Wongadome. Wouldn't accept that it was a joke name that they had heelariously made up.

Sounded a lot like sour grapes after he was banned to me. He then went on to say Pardew was a good coach doing well with his hands tied. It does make me wonder if these journalists even watch us play. He said Ashley is running the club well even though the manager's hands are tied?!? I think we can safely file any future articles from him under the category 'clueless jibberish halfwittery'

exactly this, although if the blip doesn't happen, that constitutes SOME ambition A club with ambition maximises its revenues and re-invests in its team. Disagree? I'd go as far as saying that even Leeds and Portsmouth are capable of that. Thank God we're not a Leeds or Portsmouth eh!!

Not sure most fans are unhappy with our scouting at present or our transfer philosophy, we were 3-4 signings away from fighting for the top 4 in my opinion without the big money signings. The issue is there is now no transfer plan other then to sell for profit and the club in generally has no direction or actual ambition - this is shown clearly by the appointment and sticking with a sub standard manager and back room team. In the most part we have a team of internationals yet a coaching setup sub League 1, we have no identity on the pitch and we are slowly loosing out identity off also. Personally don't agree that its about returning to the boom and bust era of Shepard but atleast showing some controlled ambition on all fronts, starting with a new manager who can mould a team that actually knows what they are doing once they cross that line. I don’t think the club lacks ambition but they are cautious and pragmatic in their approach. In contrast, the fans of every football club are energised by dreams of glory, and what the club have said does cut against that. No-one dreams of finishing 10th. The trouble with putting a dreamer like Fernandez or Ridsdale in charge is that it will eventually go belly-up, unless you’re something of a bottomless pit of money , like Abramovich. So every club, bar the exceptional, has to have some kind of financial discipline. The problem with Shepherd was that he spent all the club could possibly afford in terms of debt, we got a break and made the CL, but then there was nothing left to push on with. The second season we made the CL places, all we could buy was Bowyer on a free. Then there was the inevitable slip backwards. The aim has to be that if we get that bit of luck and make the top four in the future, we’re in a sufficiently healthy position financially that we can take advantage, and not come to a full stop. Youth development, hitherto neglected, is another part of being in a good financial state when opportunity arises. So in the absence of a Mansour, I’m not yet convinced that Ashley’s general strategy is wrong. He’s made some poor decisions, the latest being Kinnear, but overall I’m prepared to give things a bit longer. I wouldn’t say Pardew is sub-standard incidentally, but that’s another debate. ok, I'll bite. Seeing as the club's official position, that it has gone on record with, is that the Europa league is too expensive as you have to invest in a proper squad, so qualifying for that is too risky, and they can't be done with the cups. We're not even gonna have that freakish season where we fluke loads of games and end up in the champions league because to do that we'd have to be knocking about the EL place to start with (and don't forget we're scared of that and go out of our way to avoid it.) I haven't even touched on the whole not developing the commercial side because other sponsors will dilute Sd's exposure thing yet, which looking at the club long term is potentially the biggest tragedy of the lot. So taking all the above into account where on Gods green earth do you see anything resembling ambition? I'm genuinely curious.

I find it absolutely baffling tbf, you're getting so many for the league games which (aside from the odd Pardew-related aberration) have been pretty miserable on the whole. Yet when the cup games come around, where you've had a lot of excitement, some good results and in the FA cup at least knew in advance there was a good chance of seeing a win and going through to the next round, nobody seems to fancy it. Sad sign of the times I suppose where we are told the Premier League is the bestest competition ever, ever, ever to the detriment of the cups and fans seem to be buying into this way of thinking.

We got double that for a game we knew the club didn't want to win And they ripped the shit out of us for it!!! A whole lot of macktracking going on now I'd imagine.

DAT DECOR. Them cups in the backgrond. You don't suppose they would be the fabled, mystic NETD trophies that have only been contested/existed 4 times in the last 15 years?!?

That's a hobby in sunderland, not a name.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/26115540 The mind boggles. The FA man, cannot even spell consistency let alone action it (although in fairness they do seem more than happy to sell it off to the highest bidder.) allegedly, your honour

As bad as they are, they p*ssed all over us 7 days ago in what was probably the worst derby display I've ever seen. aye. puts our performance into perspective watching this lot limp to defeat against bloody hull. We couldn't even compete with them ffs

Absolutely. Probably some self important little hitler on a power trip. Fucking hate jobsworths like that. Probably the same sort of person who will broadcast anyone elses mistake around the office in an email with all top brass cc'ed in or drop it into a conference call with senior management going all 'LOOK AT ME LOOK AT ME!' Even worse that no-one with an ounce of common sense has looked to jump in and de-fuse the situation before it got this far. Typical of the club's lack of judgement at the minute.

We already know they do.

Don't think there's a blanket rational which applies to all fans who have now decided to cancel their season tickets tbf. Some, I'm sure are leaving out of principle not wanting to put money into a club where as they see it, it is sucked out straight out by an owner who wants to line his pockets without allowing the club to compete. It's fair to see how for many of these fans, who feel they have been patient with the regime, the sale and non-replacement of Cabaye could have been the final straw. I am sure on the other hand there are also others who have decided to get out now while the going isn't looking so good and the future not so bright. Some will dress it up as principle/self esteem thing, others such as one other opinion I've read, said he had better things to do with his time and some other mug was welcome to take his place if he wanted. In a way it's hard to see why this group of people really got involved with supporting Newcastle in the first place- it's never been about winning things and more often than not has always ended in heartbreak and disappointment. For some I'd imagine it's probably a mixture of the above, it's a complex issue that isn't really black or white if you'll pardon the pun. As far as I'm concerned I'm not gonna get judgemental about others, don't see it as being my place really and I'm sure I'd have a breaking point where I'd jack it in, just I haven't reached it yet. I am keeping my ticket as I enjoy going to support the team and away games in particular are really good crack. And in the same way I am not judgemental of others if some little jumped up cunt from the internet wants to tell me that continuing to go makes me a bad fan or responsible for the owner's actions they can fucking do one to be honest.

Ian, you're up

Did I miss something? Can't remember any spitting incident with Remy. think it's at the beginning (when camera is close up), you see him spit some fluid out of his mouth without looking where it's going.Shot cuts to another camera before you can see if it actually landed on the other player in shot. Nothing worth getting in a tizz about.

I'm not sure of the exact terms in the current laws but 'adopting an aggressive stance' is a booking and not a red card. The reason he sent off Remy is because he thought he struck the opponent with his head, and I don't think he did that at all. I've no idea why Johnson was given the straight red but if they conclude he has simulated the head-butt, then that's two bookable offences in the incident. I only saw the game online so the picture quality wasn't great but did Remy actually make a forward motion with his head, or was it all just part of squaring up? It was just squaring up, but the pushes of each other before didn't help. Johnson falling away as if he'd been headbutted when they did square up was cheating, and he's done that before. I cant see them clearing either, there's enough for the FA to make the cards stand. I think yellow for both would have been enough but it's about opinions i suppose. This. TBF a yellow each and both grounded for a week with no tv or pocket money would have been spot on, unfortunately Johnson's fuckwittery ensured that wasn't going to happen. Would be amazed if it gets rescinded, as FA back their refs to the hilt. Also, they did both shove each other in the chest which is far from clever. Glad we've appealed though just out of spite as if not it could well have been interpreted as an admission of guilt and helped Johnson get off which would be a travesty for him to play whilst Loic sits out February.

http://www.readytogo.net/smb/threads/remy-appeal.870725/ If they're telling you, does this mean you work at the FA? If so is there any chance you could, you know, let him off. Just for the crack.

http://www.readytogo.net/smb/threads/remy-appeal.870725/ :lol: It's like they're reading through the dictionary but don't understand some of the words in it. Today the forum has reached 'D' for desperate. It is a negative word So that's what they're calling us today. At the same time, they're all contacting the FA en masse to tell them Remy spat and not to rescind his ban. The reason for this is that they really, really, really don't want us to play our first choice team on Saturday. Anyway, back to 'D'. They are most definitely not desperate, we are. I'm sure some of them would see the irony, but will probably have to wait for them to get to 'I' first.

Cunt has got previous. http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/opinion/columnists/oliver-holt/Oliver-Holt-column-No-ifs-or-butts-Joey-Barton-red-card-over-Bradley-Johnson-clash-shows-cheats-DO-prosper-in-the-Premier-League-article848810.html Also looks like a massive gypsy with his shit facial hair and greasy hair

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True, I never really heard it made a deal of or mentioned until after they moved stadiums. Seeing them hats, in exactly that style, is one of my bizarre vivid memories from early 90's games- when I heard the howay/ha'way thing it didn't compute and just assumed it was my memory playing tricks on me. Good to know they did exist and I'm not a complete mentalist anyway!!

knew I remembered seeing those hats with HTL spelt 'wrongly' on them when I first started going to the match - the white one in that pic proves they did exist in black and whit and not some sort of hazy/warped/downright incorrect trick of the memory.

Fellaini leaving in the summer might help them out in that respect. Indeed, but there is a stronger case of Felliani being a must sell at that price. To their credit, Everton are only +12M on transfer activity this year, and most of that may have gone on financing all those loans. Surely in Everton's case the extra TV money will have been used to pretty much wiped out their debts, or at least reduce them to a level where they can be serviced without hampering their ability to do things that normal clubs do, you know, try to improve the team and finish as high up the table as possible. Our money seems to disappear into thin air. Or fat pockets, if you prefer.