triggs

Tbh I respect the fans for using it as a form of protest against the owners

Biggest rock concert Hull has ever seen

Choon

That close enough to full strength? Pretty much except they usually start Marshall and Davies Was thinking. Thought they'd have a much worse team out

That close enough to full strength?

Odd Mitrovic isn't on the bench

Congrats to joeyt on the new job

In one way it's good that they got to have a moment like that in their careers before they passed away. RIP.

Back to 3-2 in Inter Fiorentina now. Fiorentina down to 10 but wouldn't rule them out

Wish "world class" would stop being a thing

That's him out of his job on sky I presume?

What a dickhead

Funny how we tried going Dutch just as Holland were going into massive decline

Unreal goal from Icardi

Inter have some really good players now again. Up 2-0 on Fiorentina after ten minutes

Then only one player is world class

I dislike Man United as much as the next man, but this is total nonsense like. Anyone who's watched Pogba over the last few years knows that he's quite clearly world class, not worth that money, but definitely world class. That's before getting onto De Gea, Ibrahimovic, and Mata. For me it's the rest of the players, them not signing players with cohesion in mind, and Mourinho and his negative, minging tactics that are the problem, and long may it continue. Give over, he's not world-class and never will be. Their 'keeper is and Mata is a top top player, but not world-class.

Mitrovic started as well. Maybe we should play him ahead of Gayle going by your logic? Shelvey ran the game with Hayden in the team, your "point" was that he is ineffective alongside Hayden compared to alongside Colback. It's bollocks basically, and reactionary bollocks based on a rare defeat. You're basing this on 1 match where the opposition were worse than dreadful and their manager lost his job not long after. Our results have been better this season with Colback/Shelvey than Hayden/Shelvey. Anyway this is the wrong thread to be discussing this. My opinion is still the same and that is that there's little to choose between the two but i'd give Colback the edge because, in my opinion, Shelvey looks better alongside him. Going forward, should we get promoted I'd expect Colback to be moved on and Hayden to be retained because I think Hayden will improve whereas I know Colback can't quite cut it at that level. You still haven't said why you think Shelvey looks better alongside Colback. What is it about Colback's game which brings out the best in Shelvey? I'm only really playing devil's advocate and haven't seen us play enough to have a strong opinion on it but it could be that Hayden tries more risky passes on the ball, instead of Colback who is aware of his limitations and will just give Shelvey the ball most of the time Does Hayden try more risky passes though? Can't say I noticed it previously, I thought he was pretty good in possession on the whole. He is good in possession and is certainly a much more talented passer than Colback but what I mean is that he is more likely to try to create something himself or even just play a lofted ball out to the flanks while Colback will usually just give the ball to the person closest to him which would be Shelvey a lot of the time. Could be wrong as I've only seen us about 4 or 5 times this season

Mitrovic started as well. Maybe we should play him ahead of Gayle going by your logic? Shelvey ran the game with Hayden in the team, your "point" was that he is ineffective alongside Hayden compared to alongside Colback. It's bollocks basically, and reactionary bollocks based on a rare defeat. You're basing this on 1 match where the opposition were worse than dreadful and their manager lost his job not long after. Our results have been better this season with Colback/Shelvey than Hayden/Shelvey. Anyway this is the wrong thread to be discussing this. My opinion is still the same and that is that there's little to choose between the two but i'd give Colback the edge because, in my opinion, Shelvey looks better alongside him. Going forward, should we get promoted I'd expect Colback to be moved on and Hayden to be retained because I think Hayden will improve whereas I know Colback can't quite cut it at that level. You still haven't said why you think Shelvey looks better alongside Colback. What is it about Colback's game which brings out the best in Shelvey? I'm only really playing devil's advocate and haven't seen us play enough to have a strong opinion on it but it could be that Hayden tries more risky passes on the ball, instead of Colback who is aware of his limitations and will just give Shelvey the ball most of the time

I'm obviously not in a position to know how they feel but I think they'd just prefer if he was completely out of their lives i.e. dead rather than still hanging in there in prison

Think his victims would prefer him dead than in jail tbh

And yet Hayden is miles better than Colback, so I'm confused. That isn't really up for debate imo. However the theory that Shelvey is more effective for us alongside Colback might have something to it. I just don't see logically how that could be the case. Yes, Hayden was awful yesterday but Colback has been repeatedly awful for ages. Dunno, maybe there's something in their psychology that's hard to explain. Colback's been decent the last few months, hasn't he?

Noticed this on F365 as well “If I was a foreign coach I would’ve been praised for that” – Yes, David Moyes is talking about losing 2-0 against Liverpool.

http://www.football365.com/news/premier-league-winners-and-losers-47 Alan Pardew Two weeks before losing 5-4 at Swansea City, Alan Pardew spoke of his managerial style, which he insisted wouldn’t change: “Anyone who knows the way I manage, I like my teams to be on the front foot and score goals, so clean sheets have never been the top of my priority.” Pardew went on to say that he would like his Palace team to keep more clean sheets, but the damage had been done. If you tell players that clean sheets aren’t a priority, don’t be surprised when they struggle to keep them. At the Liberty Stadium, five chickens came home to roost. In his pre-match press conference before Saturday’s game, Pardew delved once again into his bumper bag of excuses. At Newcastle and Palace, a non-exhaustive blame list includes referees, injuries, referees for injuries, atmosphere, the Olympics, the Notting Hill carnival, the Europa League, finances, grass, science, intelligence of the local population, singing, the local press, the World Cup and the fixture list. On Thursday, it was Crystal Palace’s players who bore the brunt. “Sometimes you have to look at the level I am working at,” Pardew said. “We are not a dominant club, so results are going to have ups and downs. The inconsistencies are why some players don’t play at top clubs. Top clubs have players who consistently give you seven, eight out of 10.” So, in short, Palace’s run of form is not Pardew’s fault because the players are no better than their current performance. Sure. Supporters may accept that excuse if Palace didn’t have the worst form in the country. They may accept it if Pardew’s team had taken more than 22 points from their last 32 league fixtures. They may accept it if Pardew had not talked recently of getting the club into the top eight, or spent £50m on new players this summer. Unfairly or otherwise, and the majority would argue otherwise, this is Pardew’s reputation; this is Alan Pardew. He is a manager who enjoys taking the credit for the good times, but is only too happy to shift blame when performances and results go awry. It’s easy to make the short leap that this behaviour has become Pardew’s Achilles’ heel. Each of his troughs as a manager, and there have been many, have at least partly been caused by defensive shambles. When a manager refuses to take responsibility, is it any surprise when his players fail to do the same? Crystal Palace’s defending After conceding five at Swansea, Pardew was vehemently defended by Phil Neville on BBC Sport. “They are on a bad run, obviously, but I don’t think it is Pardew’s fault,” Neville said. “I actually feel sorry for him, because Palace’s players are letting him down big-time at the moment. “Sometimes you can see a manager has picked the wrong team, is using the wrong tactics or has signed the wrong players. But those are not the reasons why Crystal Palace lost at Swansea, or why they are struggling right now. They are in this situation because their players’ application when they are defending set-pieces is nothing short of a disgrace.” Neville has wilfully ignored that it is a manager’s role to get players performing well, motivate them and organise them at set-pieces, but there is the semblance of a point in there. Palace have now conceded 13 times from set-pieces this season. Not only is that the highest in the Premier League, it accounts for half of Palace’s goals conceded. The question over how blame should be apportioned is an impossible one to answer, but neither party is wholly culpable and neither is blameless. Even if you feel demotivated by your current manager, professional pride must surely take over?

Obviously thick to say it and contradict the manager but I'd prefer if Pochettino was coming out with the comments Sissoko is making rather than making excuses of not having a big enough squad. Not defending Sissoko by the way. I just think it's poor form to be making excuses like that when you are getting beat by teams with smaller wage budgets