triggs

Fuck they've started well

C'mon lads please win

Most nervous I've felt watching us in years

Gini looked like he'd just had an Alan Pardew half time team talk before he talked there

Think that could be real actually, heard a few saying the same thing on a different Palace forum a few weeks ago

Watching him going through there reminds me of the "I have no idea what I'm doing" meme. Absolutely shits himself

Greg That's great. Is that on the holmesdale site?

Some of his misses have been terrible man. If his off the ball movement was even decent he'd probably get more chances, likewise if he attacked and jumped for the ball when the ball was put in from a cross he probably would have scored more. Also those two goals you mentioned were situations where he had all the time in the world to choose where to kick the ball, pressure is when you're getting closed down quickly and have to get a shot off and in those situations he's failed miserably. I'm not writing him off per se as his poor movement and not attacking the ball could be a confidence thing rather than his own poor football intelligence

His best hasnt happened yet as most players dont usually peak at 21.. Im guessing you have not heard of Youri Tielemans who is sought after by most of Europes top clubs, Dennis Praet another who will move on to a top club. The same shitty league produced Vincent Kompany and Romalu Lukaku who both played for Anderlecht. He didn't say every player in the league is shit, he said that lots of players who would be awful for us would do well there, which I would imagine is true

I could look like a good finisher if someone produced a video only showing my goals

Why?

He's been poor this season really. Martinez is a completely shit manager defensively tbf

Walcott Ali Barkley Sterling That is pretty crap IMO

Poor defensively and in midfield though compared to the rest of the better teams

A lot of the time he looks good but it's all in non threatening areas. He's just not a striker at this level at all yet and I'm unsure whether he ever will be

I was talking about Sissoko possibly being good with a powerful free kick, if you care to read my post properly. Fwiw, 28 of Yaya's 72 goals have been from dead balls situations. You sound like you do most of your scouting on Football Manager ("main strengths and weaknesses"), rather than actually watching games in practice. As I've said many times, you're looking too much into the difference in quality of the two players rather than their actual BEST playing style. You're ignoring the fact that in a majority of the games the players are playing in systems and tactical situations forced on them by their managers. Sissoko's passing looks s*** because he is being played out of position on the wing in a team where he had to defend for 80 minutes, in a central role he would flourish and be a much better player. Yaya Toure at his best is an AM. Moussa Sissoko at his best is an AM. They are both big powerful attacking midfielders. That is the point I've been making all along, you try to make silly counter arguments with a load of garble that isn't actually relevant to the point we are discussing Comparing Moussa's playing style to Yaya is an insult to Yaya. 1 has brilliant technique, 1 of his main weapons. The other doesn't. Being black, strong and quick doesn't mean Sissoko can emulate any part of Yaya's game that doesn't include running. Nothing you have said changes the fact Moussa Sissoko is not good in tight spaces and is an average to poor technically. Under any system he's best when there's space to run into and at his worst with the opposite. He played about 20 games as an AM and was absolutely awful in about 17 of them. He'd pick up the ball too close to other players and lose it. There's more space in wide areas and he has generally looked better there. He could perhaps play CM but severely lacks the technical ability to be successful there. He'll lose the ball a lot because he's not very good at passing. Yaya Toure is a CM just as much as he is an AM. Mancini & Pellegrini both used him more as a CM of some type. As is the case for Ivory Coast. He's a great CM because he can control a game with his passing. What does being black have to do with anything? I'm not going to carry on a discussion with somebody who is quite clearly unable to look past the fact that one player is of world class quality and the other is not. My mate plays Sunday football in a similar style to Jamie Vardy (fast and pacey), comparisons can be made without actually discussing the quality of the players. My point was and still is that Sissoko and Yaya are both better players when they play centrally and in an attacking position. You carry on reading stats from Football Manager and discussing the colour of their skin. It's not the same as your Vardy example. Sissoko isn't really much like Yaya Toure. Sissoko creates by trying to run through people and his power and pace. Toure is also strong and fast but generally creates using his unbelievable technique rather than running through people like Sissoko You've just explained my point in your own post by saying that they are both strong and fast. That is the point I was making. The comparison I made was that they are both strong and fast players who are best played in central attacking positions. People are blinded by the fact that Sissoko has been ruined on the wing for four years, rather than looking at his better potential in the middle. If he was played through the middle, you'd find his passing and technique was a lot better and he wouldn't need to rely on his pace. You said they have similar playing styles when they are actually very different apart from their size and strength. Shola and Zlatan have similar size and strength, doesn't mean they have similar playing styles

I was talking about Sissoko possibly being good with a powerful free kick, if you care to read my post properly. Fwiw, 28 of Yaya's 72 goals have been from dead balls situations. You sound like you do most of your scouting on Football Manager ("main strengths and weaknesses"), rather than actually watching games in practice. As I've said many times, you're looking too much into the difference in quality of the two players rather than their actual BEST playing style. You're ignoring the fact that in a majority of the games the players are playing in systems and tactical situations forced on them by their managers. Sissoko's passing looks s*** because he is being played out of position on the wing in a team where he had to defend for 80 minutes, in a central role he would flourish and be a much better player. Yaya Toure at his best is an AM. Moussa Sissoko at his best is an AM. They are both big powerful attacking midfielders. That is the point I've been making all along, you try to make silly counter arguments with a load of garble that isn't actually relevant to the point we are discussing Comparing Moussa's playing style to Yaya is an insult to Yaya. 1 has brilliant technique, 1 of his main weapons. The other doesn't. Being black, strong and quick doesn't mean Sissoko can emulate any part of Yaya's game that doesn't include running. Nothing you have said changes the fact Moussa Sissoko is not good in tight spaces and is an average to poor technically. Under any system he's best when there's space to run into and at his worst with the opposite. He played about 20 games as an AM and was absolutely awful in about 17 of them. He'd pick up the ball too close to other players and lose it. There's more space in wide areas and he has generally looked better there. He could perhaps play CM but severely lacks the technical ability to be successful there. He'll lose the ball a lot because he's not very good at passing. Yaya Toure is a CM just as much as he is an AM. Mancini & Pellegrini both used him more as a CM of some type. As is the case for Ivory Coast. He's a great CM because he can control a game with his passing. What does being black have to do with anything? I'm not going to carry on a discussion with somebody who is quite clearly unable to look past the fact that one player is of world class quality and the other is not. My mate plays Sunday football in a similar style to Jamie Vardy (fast and pacey), comparisons can be made without actually discussing the quality of the players. My point was and still is that Sissoko and Yaya are both better players when they play centrally and in an attacking position. You carry on reading stats from Football Manager and discussing the colour of their skin. It's not the same as your Vardy example. Sissoko isn't really much like Yaya Toure. Sissoko creates by trying to run through people and his power and pace. Toure is also strong and fast but generally creates using his unbelievable technique rather than running through people like Sissoko

How much training was McClaren actually doing? 3 days off before a game ffs

Would agree that if anyone knocks out Barca it's going to be Atletico

Remember when we sold Ba and played Shola up front with Cisse on the wing

He's in a premier league relegation battle now, not the champions league. Not to mention he looks nowhere near match fit. No problem with him getting longer as a impact sub and building up sharpness but it would be a mistake to start him on sunday in my opinion. How could you judge the match fitness of a player who has barely been given a 10 min spell over 90 mins where he might not even see the ball during that time? McClaren had already said that he was way off match fitness and its a known fact that he hadn't played for a lengthy period of time. People are again missing the point that I am making though which is not the one that I think he looks poor, and not match fit, but rather that I wouldn't start him on sunday due to the size of and the meaning of the game. I know some will disagree but Mitro would be my choice for starting up top. His hold up play and link up play, especially at home is vital to how we play. Yes it is and we play s*** 95% of the time So us playing s*** is purely down to Mitro? Is that what you're saying? Where did you get that from? I know some will disagree but Mitro would be my choice for starting up top. His hold up play and link up play, especially at home is vital to how we play. Yes it is and we play s*** 95% of the time And where in that does it say its purely down to Mitrovic? Well the fact that i've clearly pointed out that our play is built around Mitrovic and you have responded by claiming its shit would indicate that you can't rate him very highly. Or am i wrong? I don't rate him very highly but that's a completely different question to the one you originally asked

He's in a premier league relegation battle now, not the champions league. Not to mention he looks nowhere near match fit. No problem with him getting longer as a impact sub and building up sharpness but it would be a mistake to start him on sunday in my opinion. How could you judge the match fitness of a player who has barely been given a 10 min spell over 90 mins where he might not even see the ball during that time? McClaren had already said that he was way off match fitness and its a known fact that he hadn't played for a lengthy period of time. People are again missing the point that I am making though which is not the one that I think he looks poor, and not match fit, but rather that I wouldn't start him on sunday due to the size of and the meaning of the game. I know some will disagree but Mitro would be my choice for starting up top. His hold up play and link up play, especially at home is vital to how we play. Yes it is and we play s*** 95% of the time So us playing s*** is purely down to Mitro? Is that what you're saying? Where did you get that from? I know some will disagree but Mitro would be my choice for starting up top. His hold up play and link up play, especially at home is vital to how we play. Yes it is and we play s*** 95% of the time And where in that does it say its purely down to Mitrovic?

He's in a premier league relegation battle now, not the champions league. Not to mention he looks nowhere near match fit. No problem with him getting longer as a impact sub and building up sharpness but it would be a mistake to start him on sunday in my opinion. How could you judge the match fitness of a player who has barely been given a 10 min spell over 90 mins where he might not even see the ball during that time? McClaren had already said that he was way off match fitness and its a known fact that he hadn't played for a lengthy period of time. People are again missing the point that I am making though which is not the one that I think he looks poor, and not match fit, but rather that I wouldn't start him on sunday due to the size of and the meaning of the game. I know some will disagree but Mitro would be my choice for starting up top. His hold up play and link up play, especially at home is vital to how we play. Yes it is and we play s*** 95% of the time So us playing shit is purely down to Mitro? Is that what you're saying? Where did you get that from?

He's in a premier league relegation battle now, not the champions league. Not to mention he looks nowhere near match fit. No problem with him getting longer as a impact sub and building up sharpness but it would be a mistake to start him on sunday in my opinion. How could you judge the match fitness of a player who has barely been given a 10 min spell over 90 mins where he might not even see the ball during that time? McClaren had already said that he was way off match fitness and its a known fact that he hadn't played for a lengthy period of time. People are again missing the point that I am making though which is not the one that I think he looks poor, and not match fit, but rather that I wouldn't start him on sunday due to the size of and the meaning of the game. I know some will disagree but Mitro would be my choice for starting up top. His hold up play and link up play, especially at home is vital to how we play. Yes it is and we play shit 95% of the time

Who that went out would've made it that much better? Gasping for Gent? It's just feels like the same old teams. Shite. Would've liked Juve to beat Bayern but that's barely any different. None of the teams that got beaten were particularly interesting like