r0cafella
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Well said Pards. Roll on Saturday to put the smile on our faces leaving the ground with 3 points.
Must be a troll.
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There is absolutely nothing we can offer to make him stay at this point. World Cup year, we've strengthened very little while letting a few go out the door, Pardew is manager with the added bonus of Kinnear running transfers. The club is being run like a joke, just when it looks like we might have a bit positivity qualifying for Europe, it quickly descends into farce and our own manager says he's glad we've not got Europe to contend with again.
No ambition. We will be left with players who have none either, and there's only one way the club will head when that happens.
The club don't want him to stay.
They want to cash in sadly, the numerous mentions of "can't compete with" "powerless" etc are total crap.
If the club wanted him to stay the stance would be not for sale at any price.
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http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/alan-pardew-mike-ashely-transfer-5769697
Pardew said: “We are the sort of club where we aren’t in that bracket where we can’t dictate a transfer.
“Sometimes we have to respond because of the position we are in.
What like nearly getting relegated and then doing f*** all about it up to now
Reading his drivel makes me so annoyed.
Their he goes again with the "we can't compete with Liverpool and spurs"
The way he talks you'd think they were Real Madrid and Barcelona.
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I wonder if Cabaye's head is still turned?
Pardew seems to love that line, If Cabaye isn't in the squad for saturday I'll be convinced he's being kept out by the club to keep him to sell him.
After all the Club are doing everything apart from announcing to the world we want to sell.
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That gameplan meeting they had in France = we sign nobody right?
I think it goes like this, right if Cabaye goes, we move for ........ and ...........
We get turned down as our offers are too low, that's it we're done.
Ashley going to spend that money in the January sales again when we are hovering around the relegation zone i wonder.
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That gameplan meeting they had in France = we sign nobody right?
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I can't see us getting anyone in, looks like a big smoke screen to me
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Playing golf at Morpeth tomorrow.
So he isn't making any signings then.......
Hope he gets struck by lightning or a golf ball.
It's booked under Joe Kinnear and can't see many people wanting to impersonate him, you never know though.
Unless it's a golf trip to organise some business dealings i.e. signings ??
I don't think I can give JFK the benefit of the doubt sadly.
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Double deal for Gomis and Gourcuff means we can reduce the Gomis price right down so that Lyon don't have to pay St. Ettiene any sell on fee.
It's illegal to to that
How so?
Lyon can sell Gomis for the price of their choosing can't they?
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Playing golf at Morpeth tomorrow.
So he isn't making any signings then.......
Hope he gets struck by lightning or a golf ball.
It's booked under Joe Kinnear and can't see many people wanting to impersonate him, you never know though.
Not sure about you guys but I'll be fucking working tomorrow.
Get your finger out Joe you lazy fuck.
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Double deal for Gomis and Gourcuff means we can reduce the Gomis price right down so that Lyon don't have to pay St. Ettiene any sell on fee.
That you Joe ?, you c***.
Lol Joe couldn't come up with such a cunning plot in his wildest dreams
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I thought the debt was an additional thing that he inherited when he bought the club? As in the club owed money to someone else and Ashley paid that off (on top of what he paid for the club) and instead of the club owing money to a bank it now owes that money to Ashley.
The benefit being that the debt now won't continually accumulate interest?
Not massively sure, but that's always been my understanding of the situation.
This is correct.
He paid off the debt which was owed to the banks and transferred it to the holding company and leverages zero interest.
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Being a bit dim here no doubt, but I don't get business sometimes.
Let's say Ashley bought NUFC for £150m. That £150m was paid to the shareholders at the time (Hall/Shepherd/other shareholders). Am I reading things right in that Ashley has attached that £150m to the club as a debt owed to him? If so, how does that even work? I'd understand if he'd just straight up purchased debentures or preference shares from NUFC, and therefore the club owed him money (for receiving his £150m), but how does NUFC owe Ashley the cost of him buying NUFC's shares? It's not like the money went into the club and it used it.
Confusing as f***.
No, He's just refusing to take a loss on what he paid by setting his asking price accordingly.
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Question for everyone:
All factors considered (Injuries, Suspensions, Lack of control over transfer, etc) Is Alan Pardew doing a satisfactory job as Newcastle United Manger?
No
Question for you: is anyone currently involved at NUFC in a management/executive or playing capacity doing a satisfactory job? Where does the buck stop for that?
No.
On the playing side the buck stops with the manager.
On the Non playing side it stops with the Owner.
And who appoints the manager/is ultimately responsible for every aspect of the club, be it on or off the pitch?
I think Fat Mike is the pits.
I hope I'm not portraying anything else here.
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Question for everyone:
All factors considered (Injuries, Suspensions, Lack of control over transfer, etc) Is Alan Pardew doing a satisfactory job as Newcastle United Manger?
No
Question for you: is anyone currently involved at NUFC in a management/executive or playing capacity doing a satisfactory job? Where does the buck stop for that?
No.
On the playing side the buck stops with the manager.
On the Non playing side it stops with the Owner.
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Question for everyone:
All factors considered (Injuries, Suspensions, Lack of control over transfer, etc) Is Alan Pardew doing a satisfactory job as Newcastle United Manger?
Is this an art project?
No not at all, I'm just gauging this.
A lot of people seem to feel Pardew is hard done by, I worded the question in the most objective way i could think of.
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Your sentiment is bang on but the harsh reality is the fan's are spending their money on his business. That's their prerogative. Any money coming into NUFC belongs to Ashley alone by virtue of his shareholding.
I'm not questioning the legality of what he's doing, but from a ethical and moral point of view it's reprehensible.
Paying off club debt at a similar rate to that which we'd only be servicing the interest on them if they were from banks is reprehensible? Really?
I'd f***ing love for the cash to be splashed on signings. As a supporter, the team we end up with is the most important thing, but as long as we have a decent side at the end of the window, him clearing some of the debt doesn't seem that ethically reprehensible or morally bankrupt in the scheme of things.
You're twisting my words sir.
If his intention is to pay off the debt and neglect the squad in process I feel that he should inform the fans and not pull the wool over our eyes by having his cronies say we are going to buy 3 strikers etc.
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Question for everyone:
All factors considered (Injuries, Suspensions, Lack of control over transfer, etc) Is Alan Pardew doing a satisfactory job as Newcastle United Manger?
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Your sentiment is bang on but the harsh reality is the fan's are spending their money on his business. That's their prerogative. Any money coming into NUFC belongs to Ashley alone by virtue of his shareholding.
I'm not questioning the legality of what he's doing, but from a ethical and moral point of view it's reprehensible.
Debatable. Firstly the amount that income from gate receipts would drop if he said "I plan on taking debt repayments for the next 10 years" is probably quite small. Also, he paid of debt that was in danger of becoming very damaging to the club.
I'm not saying that debt repayments should override any other spending obviously, the balance has to be right.
And as i said By Ashley not coming out and saying He's no intentions of spending or stating the budget is this amount is he deceiving the fans. I'd call him an accessory but he's clearly the instigator.
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Your sentiment is bang on but the harsh reality is the fan's are spending their money on his business. That's their prerogative. Any money coming into NUFC belongs to Ashley alone by virtue of his shareholding.
I'm not questioning the legality of what he's doing, but from a ethical and moral point of view it's reprehensible.
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No expectation at all that we'd spend the entire amount, you'd be mad to expect it.
Expect? No certainly not.
Fat Mike has succeeded in lowering my expectations so much I don't.
I'd love to know where the money does go though.
Doesn't take much to find out. £1 iirc.
I've seen the accounts but that's not the point I'm making.
My question was meant to be more along the lines of why don't we have anything to spend this summer?
We'll never know of course, If the club came out and said we aren't buying anyone this summer season ticket sales would plummet.
Eh? Surely the accounts will give a fair indication whether we actually had decent wedge to spend this summer when they come out?
If not, then they'll show the money must have instead gone to pay off debt, wages, or something else. It doesn't just disappear.
"The debt" is is owed to Ashley.
The Loans are payable on demand but whilst Ashley owns the club it makes no sense for him to "repay" these loans as in order to do so He'd have to take a loan out against the club which would bear interest.
If Ashley intends to repay the debt and neglect the team I'm sure we'd all prefer to be told because by not saying he's basically obtaining money by deception.
He's not like. It's his company, he owns it (sole shareholder). He would only be deceiving himself.
He's taking money from the fans too.
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And if/when we don't It'll be another excuse for our failure.
An "excuse" or an explanation? I'm getting tired of people pointing to injuries, lack of squad depth, lack of Premiership experience, etc. as ready made "excuses" for Pardew, as if he enjoys being in this situation where he's asking for certain things, and is not given them time after time, as it will presumably let him off the hook somehow. It won't. I'm pretty sure Pardew, or any manager, would prefer to be given the tools required to do the job, rather than having to rely on inferior players in the "eventuality" of injuries, suspensions, etc.
We have played one match, and we're already three squad (arguably first team) players down for the upcoming matches, on top of the players that were sold this summer. Our squad is weak in quantity and quality if our aim is to finish in the top 8. Yes, our manager is poor as well, no doubt about it, but by continuously ignoring his requests for investment in the squad, and for specific attributes like Premiership experience, they are hanging him out to dry imho.
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Good.
He's useless anyways.
he had a 20 million investment in January and in the second half of the season all it earned us was a point.
He had his chance to choose players he wasted 2.5million on Obertan and if given the chance this summer he would have bought James Tomkins (West Ham's back up centre back)
Darren Bent (Another poacher who contributes little but offsides wasted chances and some goals (sound like anyone?)).
I wouldn't give Pardew a penny to spend personally. But then again I wouldn't have Hired him in the first place.
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No expectation at all that we'd spend the entire amount, you'd be mad to expect it.
Expect? No certainly not.
Fat Mike has succeeded in lowering my expectations so much I don't.
I'd love to know where the money does go though.
Doesn't take much to find out. £1 iirc.
I've seen the accounts but that's not the point I'm making.
My question was meant to be more along the lines of why don't we have anything to spend this summer?
We'll never know of course, If the club came out and said we aren't buying anyone this summer season ticket sales would plummet.
Eh? Surely the accounts will give a fair indication whether we actually had decent wedge to spend this summer when they come out?
If not, then they'll show the money must have instead gone to pay off debt, wages, or something else. It doesn't just disappear.
"The debt" is is owed to Ashley.
The Loans are payable on demand but whilst Ashley owns the club it makes no sense for him to "repay" these loans as in order to do so He'd have to take a loan out against the club which would bear interest.
If Ashley intends to repay the debt and neglect the team I'm sure we'd all prefer to be told because by not saying he's basically obtaining money by deception.
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And if/when we don't It'll be another excuse for our failure.
Alan Pardew
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Each to their own but i can't agree with Pardew's words personally.