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I think him tweeting Shearer is a sign aswell

Is it not that Obiang bloke from Sampdoria? Cabella isn't it? He must be over 6ft.

Interesting. I suppose Pardew and other managers blaming the Europa league will eventually damage the whole of the premier league. Guess that's what happens when you decide to not compete in a competitive sport like.

Shame Routledge is nearly 30 though, think he's class. Not a scratch on Obertan like.

Heard this on the radio on the way home in the car. Didn't believe it was true, until I confirmed by reading N-O, PHEW So happy, See ya John.

Av seen 2 fully grown men wearing the new home kit today. One in a petrol station and the other one washing his car. Disgraceful human beings.

A lot of money that Only got 8 goals last season aswell. Mental money.

Ehhhhhhhhhh Huh? Man City debut at 17, England's youngest ever defender at 18, Man City's youngest ever captain at 19. But he's not a talent? Talent doesn't always get fulfilled, but hopefully it's not too late for this lad. He's 27 in about 3 weeks. I assume you will still be banging Sammy's drum when he's still a failing 27 year old because he must have talent to have come through our academy into our first team? Richards is not what we want, or anybody else. Hence he's been left to rot playing 10 games for Forientina.

Forgot this shit was on

Ehhhhhhhhhh

I roughly agree, around 10th - 13th for me. Not really like, he may not be as depressing to watch as Pardew but my memories of him at Boro certainly didn't include "good attacking football." It's a lot easier to play good football in a league where a decent winger is all you need to slice the opposition open. I understand what your saying and agree with the Boro reference, but when we were down in the championship, we didn't knock the ball about the way Derby try to do. We hoofed it long to Carroll / Shola / Harewood and hoped they knocked it in, our Nolan / Lovenkrands took the knock down. I again, don't like to go against the opinions of fans of other clubs, especially when it's their own club they describe, because we all frankly don't watch Derby enough to form a concrete opinion. So it's one thing I am willing to watch and hopefully see develop. I don't think it will be Arsenal or even Swansea style play, but still. Edit: I know we had Jonas and Jose on LW, but they weren't spectacular towards our general build up play on a week by week basis. I've said it before like but I've not even watched Derby play under him, I'm just not too convinced them playing good football in the Championship will carry over to us in the Premiership. There is zero certainty that it will even come close. But one think is for sure, it won't have materialised under Pardew. And that is literally my only positive for McClaren from what I have dug up so far. I don't care for his success and failure anymore, because it was either to long ago, or I don't truly know the meaning behind it all e.g. Nottingham Forest failings. I just want to see some change, unfortunately McClaren won't bring about enough of it.

I think he 'might' give it a try, due to him convincing himself he is a European tested and educated manager, which he hadn't experienced yet at Boro. But once we take a couple of hammerings, he will revert to type. Hopefully he doesn't mention "back to basics"

Not really like, he may not be as depressing to watch as Pardew but my memories of him at Boro certainly didn't include "good attacking football." It's a lot easier to play good football in a league where a decent winger is all you need to slice the opposition open. I understand what your saying and agree with the Boro reference, but when we were down in the championship, we didn't knock the ball about the way Derby try to do. We hoofed it long to Carroll / Shola / Harewood and hoped they knocked it in, our Nolan / Lovenkrands took the knock down. I again, don't like to go against the opinions of fans of other clubs, especially when it's their own club they describe, because we all frankly don't watch Derby enough to form a concrete opinion. So it's one thing I am willing to watch and hopefully see develop. I don't think it will be Arsenal or even Swansea style play, but still. Edit: I know we had Jonas and Jose on LW, but they weren't spectacular towards our general build up play on a week by week basis.

Trust me. I've no intention of hyping up McClaren. Just trying to provide balance. McClaren might not be as excruciating as some think. Ultimately, the club will fail because of Ashley. Again, I would have been pleased had he came in within a month of Pardew leaving, but not now. He's nowt special, and his record isn't going to convince me otherwise. I have slight hope of an improvement in the playing side of things, due to how many players and managers rate his coaching abilities. I have also read the Derby forums and tbh, some say he's turned them from around a 15th and below placed team, to comfortable top 10, whilst playing the best football they have seen since 2007 (am assuming this was their last promotion). Some are gutted he's gone and say he should have been given a 3rd season. And that the speculation surrounding him due to us courting him, along with losing some decent players to injury, ultimately hampered there promotion push. But they still wanted him to stay another season. Others say although he got them playing good football, the fact he never 100% denied our interest our his intention to move, cost them promotion and for that, he deserved the sack. Either way, they almost all agree the football got better. Which is something we can look forward to. However we could have looked forward to better football and a new innovative manager who wanted to prove his worth and push us up a level, and embed us solidly into the top half for good. It's still a missed opportunity for me and others though. And Schteve is the epitome of everything Ashley wants. Subdued hope and belief and an acceptance of mediocrity.

If you agree, stop hyping up McClaren then! Also, trophies create and enhance a record. Again Gourvennec' record has the most recent addition.

So you gonna admit you were wrong then? Since he has a trophy which is all your McClaren argument is based on? I don't even think you know what we're arguing about. McClaren's achieved more than Gourvennec, deal with it. YOUR argument is based on trophies. Which Gourvennec has achieved one more recently than McClaren.

I do get it, McClaren is everything that is wrong with the club. Is he better than Pardew and Carver? Yes absolutely. Is he the best we can get? Absolutely not. This was a time for us to strive for better. And taking McClaren based on his 50/50 career of limited success and failure is not a good foundation for future. He's also 11 years older than people like Gourvennec. I would hope he would have gone on to have a better Career in 11 years time than Schteve. I don't hate McClaren, if he was appointed immediately after Pardew left, I personally would have been happy, as he's an upgrade. But not after rejecting us twice and knowing there were better candidates available. It's not good enough, and we shouldn't be accepting it. And pointing back to his success at Boro nearly 10 years ago, is not a positive. Twente was his only recent success, and when he went back a second time, it was a disaster.

So you gonna admit you were wrong then? Since he has a trophy which is all your McClaren argument is based on?

Steve McClaren would not have got Gunigamp 2 promotions and then an 8th place finish which resulted in Europa league qualification though. Gourvennec did that. With a pretty average team. Why? Because he's got different approaches, he has new ideas and tactics, because he's better than Steve McClaren. Actually it's your s*** excuse that "doesn't cut it". Excuse? Excuse for what? I didn't want McClaren but I won't change history. You are changing Gourvennec' history for f*** sake. He's not some s*** French midtable manager, just you you can try and prove a point. You're wrong. Has he finished above midtable in France? Has he won anything? Being a failure somewhere doesn't discount other achievements. I will say it again, nothing he has done compares to McClaren's European final or Dutch league win, no matter how you dress it up. Allardyce got Bolton into the premiership and to a sixth place finish iirc, should we have him back? Since 2010 he has 2 promotions and qualified for Europa with Guingamp. He also managed to accidently win the Coupe de France in 2014. You are talking absolute shit. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Coupe_de_France_Final

Steve McClaren would not have got Gunigamp 2 promotions and then an 8th place finish which resulted in Europa league qualification though. Gourvennec did that. With a pretty average team. Why? Because he's got different approaches, he has new ideas and tactics, because he's better than Steve McClaren. Actually it's your s*** excuse that "doesn't cut it". Excuse? Excuse for what? I didn't want McClaren but I won't change history. You are changing Gourvennec' history for fuck sake. He's not some shit French midtable manager, just you you can try and prove a point. You're wrong.

Steve McClaren would not have got Gunigamp 2 promotions and then an 8th place finish which resulted in Europa league qualification though. Gourvennec did that. With a pretty average team. Why? Because he's got different approaches, he has new ideas and tactics, because he's better than Steve McClaren. Actually it's your shit excuse that "doesn't cut it".

TBH, I would say they are 50/50 aswell. Some are saying they spotted he was s**** straight away, some say he should have stayed on because he was the best manager they have recently had. Either way, I don't particularly want him. I would have been contempt had he replaced Pardew immediately in December, however after rejecting us twice it's all abit meh. I just want this football team to bring us some joy again.

Cracking read

"Before McClaren, we were the Championship equivalent of Sunderland, the last 2 seasons we have been equivalent of Southampton. That may not be an achievement for you, I don't know your experiences as a Derby fan, I don't even know if you ARE a Derby fan ffs! But as I say, the 2 best seasons in the last 8 were last season and this just gone!" Enjoyed this post off the Derby forum

He's gonna be massively disappointed if he thinks Carver has 6 hours of training prepared, let alone 6 weeks.