Kid Icarus

A lot of football fans do the PR legwork for clubs these days, often against themselves with things like ticket prices. It's mad.

Exactly. It's a war of loopholes and existing precedents at this point.

If it was me then I said natural economic system ie the invisible hand, not normal economic rules.

Ticket prices post stadium move have nothing to do with inflation tbf, they're solely because of the stadium move. Re the bit in bold, matchday revenue is tiny in terms of PSR vs other income streams. There's probably just as much, if not more, value in lobbying against PSR or waiting out its inevitable destruction than there is in pretending a new stadium is anything even close to a silver bullet.

If we're talking about regularly attending matches, then not in those words but in terms of weight of opinion, yes. Sorry if that ruffles feathers, but I don't think there's anything controversial about saying that fans who are already or plan to attend matches every other week (regardless of location) should have more of a say than those who don't and don't plan to beyond once a year. I don't want us to become a tourist club, sorry.

I think it's fairly reasonable considering a decent chunk of the posts most vocally in favour of a stadium come from people who don't live in the UK, let alone Newcastle, and will get to visit it at best once or twice a season. There's probably a nicer way of saying it though, admittedly.

Before getting onto anything else, it's based on the notion that if your argument is both 'we need a new stadium in order to maximise PSR' (an argument with a lot of flaws in it anyway) and 'we need a new stadium to stop people being locked out' then - based on the evidence of how other clubs have done it - at some point maximising PSR via match tickets will be at odds with unlocking those doors. Mainly though it's a notion just based on the evidence. Ticket prices - including the cheapest tickets - have gone up in price with stadium moves at clubs that have moved. The percentage of cheap seats that are available has also decreased with the exception of West Ham. Our prices have gone up across the board, not just with tickets - Matchday, VIP, merch - and the club has changed the system which seems to have been to the benefit of tourist fans willing to spend more via agents. Re demand and prices sky rocketing, it's not necessarily about prices rocketing it's about them going up enough that they price people out. Obviously ticket prices at SJP don't rise and fall based on a natural economic system, they're still controlled by the club and you can point to a number of reasons why they haven't massively gone up - price freezes, bad PR, that matchday is negligible in terms of PSR etc. But that leads on to another point - the club won't want to build a stadium that gives access to all anyway - a bit like having a reserve work force that keeps wages low, they'll want a reserve set of fans who are still locked out and want to get in, in order to keep ticket prices high.

No one who's making the 'more fans should get the chance to go to matches' while also making the 'we need this for PSR' not see how those two things might be at odds with each other? ie fans will have 'access' but many of those who were shut out will now be priced out instead.

I refuse to believe that happened. I'm being gaslit.

Bernard definitely never went to West Ham did he?

What a shout

Solano, Dyer, Parker, Harewood, Bowyer, Carroll, Nolan, Diame, Ferdinand, Faye, Lee, Hislop, Ba, Pearce, Kitson, Ashby

I remember a lot of people thinking that the shield looked shit and was an obvious trick to get people to spend more on a name and number.

Yeah, I did it in one of my 458 designs I did over the summer. It's definitely the best way around it imo.

Yeah, that would be miles better than the Fulham kit we currently have at the back.

Okay but how did you get from that to templates and this: I've wanted a DHGate Barcode top with the star forever.

It's nothing to do with nostalgia for me, it's about the design. I love most of the Umbro kits despite having no memory of all but the barcode and Liam O'Brien ones. If that exact top was brought out today I'd love it, if a modern day version of it was brought out it wouldn't be the same and I doubt I'd like it.

You did what now? How might someone find a template to get the actual barcode one made? Preferably long sleeves like yours?

This aggression towards the barcode top will not stand

You've convinced me, we should bring back hanging.

More tiers needed I reckon.

I love how people act like it's an exotic concept and not just a Sunday dinner

Likewise pigs in blankets on Sunday Roasts

That might be the nicest top of all time