El Prontonise

Still rooted to his line apparently.

Worst of the lot today for me.

Both players slide for the ball, yeap he's late but he does make sure he's not studs in etc. the unfortunate part is where the contact is.

Aye, all from a shocking pass from him.

Charming. Used to like you as a poster OP but you're an obnoxious twat nowadays. Both players committed early to the tackle and sliding for it, there's always going to be a collision if that happens. If he had went in with his studs than it's a red.

Give over man, its a contact sport.

I do understand Eddie protecting his players 95% of the time but there becomes a time where you need to actually question them in public.

In the league it's forest in early October.

You need to have expected goals to concede next to that for any context (for which there is none for such stats, get into the sea).

And yours is ridiculous.

I hope he's looking at himself a little. He wasn't the worst out there today but I thought he was floundering a bit.

Yeap, Leeds game. Although another PL game broke it between.

Yeap, goes back to how bad we were in possession.

Guys, what KI puts at 4.5 is very subjective to what his scoring system is. I find the whole scoring posts by posters to be worst thing the forum as they never have any context to what an average score is and what makes a + of -. May as well get AI to do it in all honesty.

I think my patience with Gordon has snapped today completely, he had looked better in recent weeks but again when you think he's turning he throws in one of the worse performances you can think of. Barnes more productive for me but lower ceiling in terms of talent but I'll take that.

Btw, the best managers / sports people all thrive under pressure and Howe i believe is in that bracket. I really hate this can't be saying a bad word about him, this is professional football management and he's paid very very well.

I couldn't think of a job more unsuitable to Howe than international football.

I'm more concerned around our performances I have to say, I think results have masked how not good to watch we are.

I know what you mean but winning the FA cup is a bjgger achievement, no one looks at who the teams play during the run. But him winning the FA cup at palace was a bigger achievement, it's actually one of the biggest in history in this country along with Martinez doing it at Wigan for the size of their clubs.

3-1 down now in the league cup final.

Bollocks was it.

He did in our box....

Fair, I didn't start this though

Yeap, him winning the FA cup was a much bigger achievement than ours with the league cup.

Yeah I see where you're coming from. He's hit the ground running but I think it's masked some big flaws in terms of him being a striker. I think he's a lovely footballer but not a striker.