Parky Posted November 14, 2007 Share Posted November 14, 2007 Sniffer will flip if he sees that long list of excuses. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dilligaf Posted November 14, 2007 Share Posted November 14, 2007 facts rather than excuses Imo good post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Knightrider Posted November 14, 2007 Share Posted November 14, 2007 Sniffer will flip if he sees that long list of excuses. Sniffer don't scare me. Bring him to me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ohmelads Posted November 14, 2007 Share Posted November 14, 2007 How else can you discuss the future of the team without discussing the rights and wrongs of the guy in charge, and dare I even say it, discuss his position at the club? We're just getting to know the guy's management style from a first-hand perspective, of course we're gonna discuss his methods and whether or not he'll take us in the right direction. People talk about these things a lot in this region because the passion for the game here is massive, everyone wants the same thing for the club but we have different ideas of how to get it. For many people Sam isn't the answer. I'd have thought an open public forum discussing all things Newcastle United would inevitably come to talk about the future of the man in charge of first team affairs. There's only so much you can say about James Milner's crossing or Joey Barton's temper, this is an issue people can get their teeth into. It's pointless trying to shout people down going "12 games man! TWELVE GAMES!". Let people discuss his future, in time they might very well be right. They only want what's best for the club. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Novocastrian Posted November 14, 2007 Share Posted November 14, 2007 How else can you discuss the future of the team without discussing the rights and wrongs of the guy in charge, and dare I even say it, discuss his position at the club? We're just getting to know the guy's management style from a first-hand perspective, of course we're gonna discuss his methods and whether or not he'll take us in the right direction. People talk about these things a lot in this region because the passion for the game here is massive, everyone wants the same thing for the club but we have different ideas of how to get it. For many people Sam isn't the answer. I'd have thought an open public forum discussing all things Newcastle United would inevitably come to talk about the future of the man in charge of first team affairs. There's only so much you can say about James Milner's crossing or Joey Barton's temper, this is an issue people can get their teeth into. It's pointless trying to shout people down going "12 games man! TWELVE GAMES!". Let people discuss his future, in time they might very well be right. They only want what's best for the club. Exactly, how long do we have to wait before the manager can get his "average" team of multi-million pound internationals to string more than three passes together? 20 games? 38 games? How dare we demand to be competing with those giants of the premiership Man City, Everton and err....Portsmouth. We are not fit to lace their boots and the sooner we realise Big Sam's long term plan (target man, long throw-in specialists) the better!!!!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted November 14, 2007 Share Posted November 14, 2007 How else can you discuss the future of the team without discussing the rights and wrongs of the guy in charge, and dare I even say it, discuss his position at the club? We're just getting to know the guy's management style from a first-hand perspective, of course we're gonna discuss his methods and whether or not he'll take us in the right direction. People talk about these things a lot in this region because the passion for the game here is massive, everyone wants the same thing for the club but we have different ideas of how to get it. For many people Sam isn't the answer. I'd have thought an open public forum discussing all things Newcastle United would inevitably come to talk about the future of the man in charge of first team affairs. There's only so much you can say about James Milner's crossing or Joey Barton's temper, this is an issue people can get their teeth into. It's pointless trying to shout people down going "12 games man! TWELVE GAMES!". Let people discuss his future, in time they might very well be right. They only want what's best for the club. Exactly, how long do we have to wait before the manager can get his "average" team of multi-million pound internationals to string more than three passes together? 20 games? 38 games? How dare we demand to be competing with those giants of the premiership Man City, Everton and err....Portsmouth. We are not fit to lace their boots and the sooner we realise Big Sam's long term plan (target man, long throw-in specialists) the better!!!!! Has Sam been outed? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Sniffer Posted November 14, 2007 Share Posted November 14, 2007 Parky is right. But I can't be arsed to read anything over half a dozen lines these days. Especially somebody as long winded as HTT. Can somebody send me the executive summary? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
merlin Posted November 14, 2007 Share Posted November 14, 2007 Purposely looking abroad (or equally at home) for management is folly, the kind of reactionary nonsense that Shepherd used to fall for. If we change, the nationality etc of the manager is completely irrelevant IMO. If he's the best available he can be a f****** gerbil for all I care. Agreed, Dave. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
merlin Posted November 15, 2007 Share Posted November 15, 2007 How else can you discuss the future of the team without discussing the rights and wrongs of the guy in charge, and dare I even say it, discuss his position at the club? We're just getting to know the guy's management style from a first-hand perspective, of course we're gonna discuss his methods and whether or not he'll take us in the right direction. People talk about these things a lot in this region because the passion for the game here is massive, everyone wants the same thing for the club but we have different ideas of how to get it. For many people Sam isn't the answer. I'd have thought an open public forum discussing all things Newcastle United would inevitably come to talk about the future of the man in charge of first team affairs. There's only so much you can say about James Milner's crossing or Joey Barton's temper, this is an issue people can get their teeth into. It's pointless trying to shout people down going "12 games man! TWELVE GAMES!". Let people discuss his future, in time they might very well be right. They only want what's best for the club. Exactly, how long do we have to wait before the manager can get his "average" team of multi-million pound internationals to string more than three passes together? 20 games? 38 games? How dare we demand to be competing with those giants of the premiership Man City, Everton and err....Portsmouth. We are not fit to lace their boots and the sooner we realise Big Sam's long term plan (target man, long throw-in specialists) the better!!!!! Thanks, Novocastrian - you've saved me from a long post in answer to ChezGiven's assertion that we should now use these 'footballing giants' as a yardstick for future progress..!! PLEASE.....!!! Brian Clough once said that football was a simple game made complicated by buffoons, and boy, are we seeing the proof of his words now! Pages & pages of excuses, reasons, theories as to why we are playing crap football - and that, folks is what this is all about. Had we lost 1-4 at home to Pompey in the same manner as we once did at home 2-5 to Spurs in the 70s, no-one would have batted an eyelid because we were THE BETTER SIDE, and it was one of those games which sometimes happen...when we lost at home to Pompey we were poor, just as we were against Reading and Derby AND the Mackems ; we ARE NOT CREATING CHANCES because our football IS NOT CONSTRUCTIVE...and that is why the fans are getting restless, plus the fact that they can't see a pattern and the players are being used as square pegs in round holes... It doesn't matter a toss what you think of our players' abilities - I happen to think that the ones we have would be far more effective if used and motivated correctly..and as for all this stuff about foreign managers, well, if Clough had been around today, he would have been better than ANY of them , and that includes Wenger. Wenger has been a great manager for Arsenal, as has Fergie for Man U, but they have done it at ONE HIGH PROFILE ENGLISH CLUB. Clough took TWO low-profile, under-achieving clubs without a third of our potential, and made them both English Champions, and won the European Cup with the other, so whose is the greater achievement ? I would put my house and everything else on a bet that had Clough been able to take over this same set of players at SJP as we have now, you would have seen a FAR better series of performances - and he didn't give a toss about 'modern scientific methods' etc..... OK, Clough isn't around, but my point is that something is wrong with the coaching of our players - saying that we weren't able to add Rooney, Fabregas etc to the squad is immaterial - do you think we would be any better(or these`players as effective)were they playing for NUFC at this time, because I don't. Its the system that is most at fault. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChezGiven Posted November 15, 2007 Share Posted November 15, 2007 How else can you discuss the future of the team without discussing the rights and wrongs of the guy in charge, and dare I even say it, discuss his position at the club? We're just getting to know the guy's management style from a first-hand perspective, of course we're gonna discuss his methods and whether or not he'll take us in the right direction. People talk about these things a lot in this region because the passion for the game here is massive, everyone wants the same thing for the club but we have different ideas of how to get it. For many people Sam isn't the answer. I'd have thought an open public forum discussing all things Newcastle United would inevitably come to talk about the future of the man in charge of first team affairs. There's only so much you can say about James Milner's crossing or Joey Barton's temper, this is an issue people can get their teeth into. It's pointless trying to shout people down going "12 games man! TWELVE GAMES!". Let people discuss his future, in time they might very well be right. They only want what's best for the club. What are the options for the club and Ashley? What is the alternative scenario? Decision making is the hardest game going, thats why they give the responsibility to CEOs. Yes, its only been 12 games and if you had a plan to build success at a club how long would you give yourself? A season? And why would you give yourself that? I agree we should discuss it and question his methods and i also agree with a lot of what you have said. Doesnt mean we should forget how well we played against Everton etc. There is capability in the team and their is also capability in the manager, as evidenced by his previous job. Dont over estimate the capibilities of the players though, they are as shite as they look Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChezGiven Posted November 15, 2007 Share Posted November 15, 2007 How else can you discuss the future of the team without discussing the rights and wrongs of the guy in charge, and dare I even say it, discuss his position at the club? We're just getting to know the guy's management style from a first-hand perspective, of course we're gonna discuss his methods and whether or not he'll take us in the right direction. People talk about these things a lot in this region because the passion for the game here is massive, everyone wants the same thing for the club but we have different ideas of how to get it. For many people Sam isn't the answer. I'd have thought an open public forum discussing all things Newcastle United would inevitably come to talk about the future of the man in charge of first team affairs. There's only so much you can say about James Milner's crossing or Joey Barton's temper, this is an issue people can get their teeth into. It's pointless trying to shout people down going "12 games man! TWELVE GAMES!". Let people discuss his future, in time they might very well be right. They only want what's best for the club. Exactly, how long do we have to wait before the manager can get his "average" team of multi-million pound internationals to string more than three passes together? 20 games? 38 games? How dare we demand to be competing with those giants of the premiership Man City, Everton and err....Portsmouth. We are not fit to lace their boots and the sooner we realise Big Sam's long term plan (target man, long throw-in specialists) the better!!!!! Go man for man with each of those sides and tell me who is the better player and why. I want each of our players compared to theirs, their skills and attributes and then tell me why you think you can go errr.... before comparing us to Portsmouth. Unless you think our current squad is as good as Man U's? If the players are that good (as they must be according to the all knowing on here) how come they look so shit? Keeping possession is not something your manager teaches you, its something you have in you, its an innate ability. Cant see it from where i'm standing in any but 3 of our players. You might want to argue they are great players but i think we have a limited squad that needs lots of work. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChezGiven Posted November 15, 2007 Share Posted November 15, 2007 How else can you discuss the future of the team without discussing the rights and wrongs of the guy in charge, and dare I even say it, discuss his position at the club? We're just getting to know the guy's management style from a first-hand perspective, of course we're gonna discuss his methods and whether or not he'll take us in the right direction. People talk about these things a lot in this region because the passion for the game here is massive, everyone wants the same thing for the club but we have different ideas of how to get it. For many people Sam isn't the answer. I'd have thought an open public forum discussing all things Newcastle United would inevitably come to talk about the future of the man in charge of first team affairs. There's only so much you can say about James Milner's crossing or Joey Barton's temper, this is an issue people can get their teeth into. It's pointless trying to shout people down going "12 games man! TWELVE GAMES!". Let people discuss his future, in time they might very well be right. They only want what's best for the club. Exactly, how long do we have to wait before the manager can get his "average" team of multi-million pound internationals to string more than three passes together? 20 games? 38 games? How dare we demand to be competing with those giants of the premiership Man City, Everton and err....Portsmouth. We are not fit to lace their boots and the sooner we realise Big Sam's long term plan (target man, long throw-in specialists) the better!!!!! Thanks, Novocastrian - you've saved me from a long post in answer to ChezGiven's assertion that we should now use these 'footballing giants' as a yardstick for future progress..!! PLEASE.....!!! Couldnt care what the rest of your post says, dont mis-represent me like that for your own gain. Please. Wtf does 'footballing giants' have to do with anything i've said. Sorry, I dont accept people talking nonsense and attributing it to me. In fact in isolation, that statement above reads like utter shit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ohmelads Posted November 15, 2007 Share Posted November 15, 2007 How else can you discuss the future of the team without discussing the rights and wrongs of the guy in charge, and dare I even say it, discuss his position at the club? We're just getting to know the guy's management style from a first-hand perspective, of course we're gonna discuss his methods and whether or not he'll take us in the right direction. People talk about these things a lot in this region because the passion for the game here is massive, everyone wants the same thing for the club but we have different ideas of how to get it. For many people Sam isn't the answer. I'd have thought an open public forum discussing all things Newcastle United would inevitably come to talk about the future of the man in charge of first team affairs. There's only so much you can say about James Milner's crossing or Joey Barton's temper, this is an issue people can get their teeth into. It's pointless trying to shout people down going "12 games man! TWELVE GAMES!". Let people discuss his future, in time they might very well be right. They only want what's best for the club. What are the options for the club and Ashley? What is the alternative scenario? Decision making is the hardest game going, thats why they give the responsibility to CEOs. Yes, its only been 12 games and if you had a plan to build success at a club how long would you give yourself? A season? And why would you give yourself that? I agree we should discuss it and question his methods and i also agree with a lot of what you have said. Doesnt mean we should forget how well we played against Everton etc. There is capability in the team and their is also capability in the manager, as evidenced by his previous job. Dont over estimate the capibilities of the players though, they are as s**** as they look Certainly, if I knew the definitive answers to those questions I'd be laughing all the way to the bank. I think Allardyce has probably underestimated the job he has taken on. We're not lightyears behind Portsmouth, but Allardyce inherited a squad of players totally unsuited to his football and needs to either change his system or get rid of them. Something has to give. Judging by his "I'm my own man" personality I don't think he will change, I think he'll need enough time and money to overhaul the entire squad. That's a big ask when results are going against you. If we continue like this I don't see him getting beyond the summer, regardless of what Mort might say now. The hope is that the team will gel and results and performances will pick up, but if he's changing the spine of the team every week it's hard to see how that'll happen. This isn't the time for experimentation, 12 games doesn't sound like a lot but it's a third of a season. If the worst happens in the next three games then there'll be a lot of chin-stroking going on at boardroom level, that's for sure. The point you make about alternatives may well be the deciding factor in what happens in the summer. Ashley can't like what he's seeing at the moment and the fans certainly aren't impressed. Allardyce needs to think shorter term, get the current players playing, if he does that he'll buy himself the time to make his changes. He talked about this in the summer but I think he's taken his eye off the ball since then. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
merlin Posted November 15, 2007 Share Posted November 15, 2007 How else can you discuss the future of the team without discussing the rights and wrongs of the guy in charge, and dare I even say it, discuss his position at the club? We're just getting to know the guy's management style from a first-hand perspective, of course we're gonna discuss his methods and whether or not he'll take us in the right direction. People talk about these things a lot in this region because the passion for the game here is massive, everyone wants the same thing for the club but we have different ideas of how to get it. For many people Sam isn't the answer. I'd have thought an open public forum discussing all things Newcastle United would inevitably come to talk about the future of the man in charge of first team affairs. There's only so much you can say about James Milner's crossing or Joey Barton's temper, this is an issue people can get their teeth into. It's pointless trying to shout people down going "12 games man! TWELVE GAMES!". Let people discuss his future, in time they might very well be right. They only want what's best for the club. Exactly, how long do we have to wait before the manager can get his "average" team of multi-million pound internationals to string more than three passes together? 20 games? 38 games? How dare we demand to be competing with those giants of the premiership Man City, Everton and err....Portsmouth. We are not fit to lace their boots and the sooner we realise Big Sam's long term plan (target man, long throw-in specialists) the better!!!!! Thanks, Novocastrian - you've saved me from a long post in answer to ChezGiven's assertion that we should now use these 'footballing giants' as a yardstick for future progress..!! PLEASE.....!!! Couldnt care what the rest of your post says, dont mis-represent me like that for your own gain. Please. Wtf does 'footballing giants' have to do with anything i've said. Sorry, I dont accept people talking nonsense and attributing it to me. In fact in isolation, that statement above reads like utter s***. Don't get smart with me , ChezGiven - I'll 'mis-represent' you in any way I wish if you persist in doing the same thing.. and as for your arrogance about not caring what the rest of the post says - well, that simply shows you for what you are - someone who believes that they are correct whatever anyone else says. Novocastrian, Ohmelads & myself have a different opinion about the potential abilities of our players to yours - you clearly believe that the clubs you mentioned were superior to ours and we disagree, and to me, just because the likes of Blackburn & Pompey currently have TEAMS in a better position than us does NOT make them better as clubs ; it is CLUBS like Arsenal etc we should be attempting to emulate as they have similar potential to ourselves. People like you always try to twist the words of others in order to suit their OWN theories , and believe me, I think the one who is talking S--t is YOU.. Now try to resume the debate without making yourself look even more self-satisfied than you already have; - this is a subject which requires logical and adult thinking, not childish tit-for-tat stuff - and if you think I'm getting into a long-winded diatribe with you as I have sometimes witnessed between members of this board, forget it. I've made my views clear - we disagree, and that will remain the case. If you wish to pursue the theme personally, do it with someone else who has more tolerance... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
danswan Posted November 15, 2007 Share Posted November 15, 2007 Long winded diatribes are cool. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted November 15, 2007 Share Posted November 15, 2007 How else can you discuss the future of the team without discussing the rights and wrongs of the guy in charge, and dare I even say it, discuss his position at the club? We're just getting to know the guy's management style from a first-hand perspective, of course we're gonna discuss his methods and whether or not he'll take us in the right direction. People talk about these things a lot in this region because the passion for the game here is massive, everyone wants the same thing for the club but we have different ideas of how to get it. For many people Sam isn't the answer. I'd have thought an open public forum discussing all things Newcastle United would inevitably come to talk about the future of the man in charge of first team affairs. There's only so much you can say about James Milner's crossing or Joey Barton's temper, this is an issue people can get their teeth into. It's pointless trying to shout people down going "12 games man! TWELVE GAMES!". Let people discuss his future, in time they might very well be right. They only want what's best for the club. Exactly, how long do we have to wait before the manager can get his "average" team of multi-million pound internationals to string more than three passes together? 20 games? 38 games? How dare we demand to be competing with those giants of the premiership Man City, Everton and err....Portsmouth. We are not fit to lace their boots and the sooner we realise Big Sam's long term plan (target man, long throw-in specialists) the better!!!!! Thanks, Novocastrian - you've saved me from a long post in answer to ChezGiven's assertion that we should now use these 'footballing giants' as a yardstick for future progress..!! PLEASE.....!!! Couldnt care what the rest of your post says, dont mis-represent me like that for your own gain. Please. Wtf does 'footballing giants' have to do with anything i've said. Sorry, I dont accept people talking nonsense and attributing it to me. In fact in isolation, that statement above reads like utter s***. Don't get smart with me , ChezGiven - I'll 'mis-represent' you in any way I wish if you persist in doing the same thing.. and as for your arrogance about not caring what the rest of the post says - well, that simply shows you for what you are - someone who believes that they are correct whatever anyone else says. Novocastrian, Ohmelads & myself have a different opinion about the potential abilities of our players to yours - you clearly believe that the clubs you mentioned were superior to ours and we disagree, and to me, just because the likes of Blackburn & Pompey currently have TEAMS in a better position than us does NOT make them better as clubs ; it is CLUBS like Arsenal etc we should be attempting to emulate as they have similar potential to ourselves. People like you always try to twist the words of others in order to suit their OWN theories , and believe me, I think the one who is talking S--t is YOU.. Now try to resume the debate without making yourself look even more self-satisfied than you already have; - this is a subject which requires logical and adult thinking, not childish tit-for-tat stuff - and if you think I'm getting into a long-winded diatribe with you as I have sometimes witnessed between members of this board, forget it. I've made my views clear - we disagree, and that will remain the case. If you wish to pursue the theme personally, do it with someone else who has more tolerance... Chez is is a highly renumerated analyst for a living. ...our players are pretty average and the good one's aren't sure what to do on the pitch with SA's instructions. Not good. Will take time etc... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChezGiven Posted November 15, 2007 Share Posted November 15, 2007 How else can you discuss the future of the team without discussing the rights and wrongs of the guy in charge, and dare I even say it, discuss his position at the club? We're just getting to know the guy's management style from a first-hand perspective, of course we're gonna discuss his methods and whether or not he'll take us in the right direction. People talk about these things a lot in this region because the passion for the game here is massive, everyone wants the same thing for the club but we have different ideas of how to get it. For many people Sam isn't the answer. I'd have thought an open public forum discussing all things Newcastle United would inevitably come to talk about the future of the man in charge of first team affairs. There's only so much you can say about James Milner's crossing or Joey Barton's temper, this is an issue people can get their teeth into. It's pointless trying to shout people down going "12 games man! TWELVE GAMES!". Let people discuss his future, in time they might very well be right. They only want what's best for the club. Exactly, how long do we have to wait before the manager can get his "average" team of multi-million pound internationals to string more than three passes together? 20 games? 38 games? How dare we demand to be competing with those giants of the premiership Man City, Everton and err....Portsmouth. We are not fit to lace their boots and the sooner we realise Big Sam's long term plan (target man, long throw-in specialists) the better!!!!! Thanks, Novocastrian - you've saved me from a long post in answer to ChezGiven's assertion that we should now use these 'footballing giants' as a yardstick for future progress..!! PLEASE.....!!! Couldnt care what the rest of your post says, dont mis-represent me like that for your own gain. Please. Wtf does 'footballing giants' have to do with anything i've said. Sorry, I dont accept people talking nonsense and attributing it to me. In fact in isolation, that statement above reads like utter s***. Don't get smart with me , ChezGiven - I'll 'mis-represent' you in any way I wish if you persist in doing the same thing.. and as for your arrogance about not caring what the rest of the post says - well, that simply shows you for what you are - someone who believes that they are correct whatever anyone else says. Novocastrian, Ohmelads & myself have a different opinion about the potential abilities of our players to yours - you clearly believe that the clubs you mentioned were superior to ours and we disagree, and to me, just because the likes of Blackburn & Pompey currently have TEAMS in a better position than us does NOT make them better as clubs ; it is CLUBS like Arsenal etc we should be attempting to emulate as they have similar potential to ourselves. People like you always try to twist the words of others in order to suit their OWN theories , and believe me, I think the one who is talking S--t is YOU.. Now try to resume the debate without making yourself look even more self-satisfied than you already have; - this is a subject which requires logical and adult thinking, not childish tit-for-tat stuff - and if you think I'm getting into a long-winded diatribe with you as I have sometimes witnessed between members of this board, forget it. I've made my views clear - we disagree, and that will remain the case. If you wish to pursue the theme personally, do it with someone else who has more tolerance... If you mis-represent what someone is saying they have a right to be annoyed with it as it clearly means you're not paying any attention to what they are saying. I'll spell it out. Our players arent as good as we think. As a team the manager has to get the best out of them, something which allardyce has a track record in doing (although signs are not great at the moment). As a club we should be attempting to join a 'top 5' of english football but to do that we need better players. Given the current playing staff, our benchmark is the group of 3/4 clubs just outside the top 4. We need to be playing as good as them for us to get into europe and attract the top players needed to break into the elite group. I'm repeating myself here tbf and nowhere did i say that clubs like Blackburn with their support should be our benchmark. Feel free to attribute that to me as you did above. Use the bold bits to follow the logical thought. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChezGiven Posted November 15, 2007 Share Posted November 15, 2007 How else can you discuss the future of the team without discussing the rights and wrongs of the guy in charge, and dare I even say it, discuss his position at the club? We're just getting to know the guy's management style from a first-hand perspective, of course we're gonna discuss his methods and whether or not he'll take us in the right direction. People talk about these things a lot in this region because the passion for the game here is massive, everyone wants the same thing for the club but we have different ideas of how to get it. For many people Sam isn't the answer. I'd have thought an open public forum discussing all things Newcastle United would inevitably come to talk about the future of the man in charge of first team affairs. There's only so much you can say about James Milner's crossing or Joey Barton's temper, this is an issue people can get their teeth into. It's pointless trying to shout people down going "12 games man! TWELVE GAMES!". Let people discuss his future, in time they might very well be right. They only want what's best for the club. What are the options for the club and Ashley? What is the alternative scenario? Decision making is the hardest game going, thats why they give the responsibility to CEOs. Yes, its only been 12 games and if you had a plan to build success at a club how long would you give yourself? A season? And why would you give yourself that? I agree we should discuss it and question his methods and i also agree with a lot of what you have said. Doesnt mean we should forget how well we played against Everton etc. There is capability in the team and their is also capability in the manager, as evidenced by his previous job. Dont over estimate the capibilities of the players though, they are as s**** as they look Certainly, if I knew the definitive answers to those questions I'd be laughing all the way to the bank. I think Allardyce has probably underestimated the job he has taken on. We're not lightyears behind Portsmouth, but Allardyce inherited a squad of players totally unsuited to his football and needs to either change his system or get rid of them. Something has to give. Judging by his "I'm my own man" personality I don't think he will change, I think he'll need enough time and money to overhaul the entire squad. That's a big ask when results are going against you. If we continue like this I don't see him getting beyond the summer, regardless of what Mort might say now. The hope is that the team will gel and results and performances will pick up, but if he's changing the spine of the team every week it's hard to see how that'll happen. This isn't the time for experimentation, 12 games doesn't sound like a lot but it's a third of a season. If the worst happens in the next three games then there'll be a lot of chin-stroking going on at boardroom level, that's for sure. The point you make about alternatives may well be the deciding factor in what happens in the summer. Ashley can't like what he's seeing at the moment and the fans certainly aren't impressed. Allardyce needs to think shorter term, get the current players playing, if he does that he'll buy himself the time to make his changes. He talked about this in the summer but I think he's taken his eye off the ball since then. I agree with that, he doesnt have the players for the system he prefers and is shifting people to try and fit the current squad into that system. However, with one or two key additions which add pace and natural width to the attack i think he has done good work in laying down the foundations of a solid squad. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Monkey Posted November 15, 2007 Share Posted November 15, 2007 Yes, nothing has changed. .........[lots and lots of excuses]..... 12 games.... Look at the players he has spent a fair chunk of money on. Look at the tactics and player selections he sticks to. Look at his inabilty to deviate from his rigid ideas. Look at his insistence on like-for-like substitions where possible. Maybe 12 games is too early to says he's not good enough. But providing a list of transparent, weak excuses whilst ignoring the glaringly obvious does neither us, him nor anyone else any credit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted November 15, 2007 Share Posted November 15, 2007 12 games isn't a long time, but it's enough for Man City to bring out a DVD already. :lol: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colos Short and Curlies Posted November 15, 2007 Share Posted November 15, 2007 12 games isn't a long time, but it's enough for Man City to bring out a DVD already. :lol: Complete with 'Sven at Teadance' extra Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Monkey Posted November 15, 2007 Share Posted November 15, 2007 12 games isn't a long time, but it's enough for Man City to bring out a DVD already. :lol: Bless them. They make us seem less desperate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Spectrum Posted November 15, 2007 Share Posted November 15, 2007 You wont be laughing when the £400 we make from selling a tiny number of them to a small selection of dimwit wives and mothers to put in their husbands/sons/etc stockings this christmas allows us to go and splash the cash in January. We could pay Anelka's wages for about 15 minutes with that. http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/61LDlPvFPOL._AA240_.jpg Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mucky01 Posted November 15, 2007 Share Posted November 15, 2007 are Big Sams tactics redundant now that tackling seems to be illegal? Look at ManUre attack with: Giggs, Scholes, Rooney, Tevez and Ronaldo - they may work hard but not exactly good at putting their foot in are they. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
UV Posted November 15, 2007 Share Posted November 15, 2007 A club that had finished 14th, 13th, 7th and 13th - its worst run of form since becoming a Premiership club. http://www.crewclothing.co.uk/public/images/product/outofstock.gif There are so many points in that post to take issue with it would take until next week to address them all, but this... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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