merlin Posted February 9, 2008 Share Posted February 9, 2008 Tiny deflection really. He slipped like a seal flopping into the pool at the seal house. Harper on the other hand made a fantastic reflex save which was 100 times harder from similar range with a bigger deflection. Spot on - Harper made 2 great saves. Given was a disaster, the deflection was very small and he was really slow in getting across. Should have been dropped ages ago, and would have been by many other managers... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest toonlass Posted February 9, 2008 Share Posted February 9, 2008 Of course Given was at fault for their first. It was a shot hit like an 8 year old lass had tapped it, Shay got his studs stuck in the ground and it rolled past him only slightly faster than your average tortoise travels. Shay is a lovely bloke, canny an all, but he is not the same keeper he used to be. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ridzuan Posted February 10, 2008 Share Posted February 10, 2008 Yes Given was at fault for the first goal,but again he risk his groin there,so I think he deserve some credit.I think its time for Harper to get a little run because I think Given has suffered to much physically and mentally as well,thats why he isnt the same keeper as he used to be. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted February 10, 2008 Share Posted February 10, 2008 given was at fault for their first imo. injuries and inconsistency have pretty much summed up his season. time to give harper a run imo There's absolutely no value in giving Harper a run IMO. If Harper is first choice we need a new keeper. We can't get a new keeper until the summer. Harper's the best goalkeeper at the club so we should play him... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest toonlass Posted February 10, 2008 Share Posted February 10, 2008 given was at fault for their first imo. injuries and inconsistency have pretty much summed up his season. time to give harper a run imo There's absolutely no value in giving Harper a run IMO. If Harper is first choice we need a new keeper. Are you suggesting that Fraser Forster is our first choice keeper with Given and Krul out injured? Can I have what you have been drinking please! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest fraser Posted February 17, 2008 Share Posted February 17, 2008 I think that Given's a good keeper and I don't think that he's particularly vulnerable from long range either; it just appears that he is because Smith gives so many free-kicks away in those areas. My main gripe with Given is his kicking. I bellow, I swear and I blame him for defeats on that basis, because he is pretty crap at it. But then I think to myself, 'Is this fair?' He's a good keeper actually. His kicking is shite but why does he have to do that? The rule change in 1992 is why. Brought in to encourage attacking play and discourage negative play, has it done that? Are teams any more attacking in 2008 than they were in 1992? I don't think that they are. All that has happened is that natural athletes like Given, a good goal-keeper, are punished by it. The ball is booted out for a throw-in, a head-on by the big man up front or a calamity happens (as with the Coventry keeper yesterday) and against the run of play another fluke is scored. In all I'm saying that this is a crap rule. No team won anything because of the back pass. The present law leads to low-quality percentage football and we should go back to the old arrangement where goal-keepers are allowed to handle the ball in their own box with time limits to ensure the ball is returned to play. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted February 17, 2008 Share Posted February 17, 2008 The goal scored by Huth for 'boro was a bit of a shocker as well. A slow looping header should have given him plenty of time to adjust his position, take a few steps back and tip it over the bar. He just stood there rooted like a tree. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted February 17, 2008 Share Posted February 17, 2008 The goal scored by Huth for 'boro was a bit of a shocker as well. A slow looping header should have given him plenty of time to adjust his position, take a few steps back and tip it over the bar. He just stood there rooted like a tree. http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/8558/79491591os3.jpg Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted February 17, 2008 Share Posted February 17, 2008 The goal scored by Huth for 'boro was a bit of a shocker as well. A slow looping header should have given him plenty of time to adjust his position, take a few steps back and tip it over the bar. He just stood there rooted like a tree. http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/8558/79491591os3.jpg A picture says a thousand words Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpal78 Posted February 18, 2008 Share Posted February 18, 2008 The goal scored by Huth for 'boro was a bit of a shocker as well. A slow looping header should have given him plenty of time to adjust his position, take a few steps back and tip it over the bar. He just stood there rooted like a tree. http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/8558/79491591os3.jpg A picture says a thousand words To me that pciture at the very least shows poor reading of the flight of the ball. Given just stood there thinking the ball would clear the bar. there wasn't even an attempt to save! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaizero Posted February 18, 2008 Share Posted February 18, 2008 The goal scored by Huth for 'boro was a bit of a shocker as well. A slow looping header should have given him plenty of time to adjust his position, take a few steps back and tip it over the bar. He just stood there rooted like a tree. http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/8558/79491591os3.jpg A picture says a thousand words To me that pciture at the very least shows poor reading of the flight of the ball. Given just stood there thinking the ball would clear the bar. there wasn't even an attempt to save! Like Given this season tries to save anything. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob W Posted February 19, 2008 Share Posted February 19, 2008 Oner day you lads will get a team without Given and you will finally realise just how bloody stupid you've been.............................. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
merlin Posted February 19, 2008 Share Posted February 19, 2008 Oner day you lads will get a team without Given and you will finally realise just how bloody stupid you've been.............................. You mean we are going to concede even MORE soft goals from distance because his successor is yet another second-rate buy? One day, we might get a team without most of the plodders we currently have, and THEN people will see how stupid they've been to think these players are any good.. Given has had his day - some players start going downhill faster than others and there is NO room for sentiment at NUFC..however I do think that there is a shortage of really good goalkeepers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 19, 2008 Share Posted February 19, 2008 Stat in the paper today with goalkeepers' Saves to Shots ratio...James is top with 80.3%, then van der Sar, Almunia & Hart close by with over 78%...Shay has the second worst with 57.83%, just ahead of Robinson on 56%. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted February 19, 2008 Share Posted February 19, 2008 Given's only real weakness used to be he didn't command his area. Now you can add he tends to stand motionless when he thinks he's got no chance which is far too many times these days. He's not the keeper he was. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slim Posted February 19, 2008 Share Posted February 19, 2008 He is playing behind a s*** defence, a s*** midfield and a s*** strikeforce. Given is the least of our worries tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Mongo Posted February 19, 2008 Share Posted February 19, 2008 And our defence was any better last season, with no left back, Ramage (20 starts!), Bramble, the Australian sicknote and the kids? We've conceded as many goals in 26 games as we did in all 38 last year. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Edd Posted February 19, 2008 Share Posted February 19, 2008 He is playing behind a s*** defence, a s*** midfield and a s*** strikeforce. Given is the least of our worries tbh. yeah they are shit too but that doesn't excuse Shays crap shots to saves ratio posted by ON a couple of posts up. And anyone watching him regularly wouldn't have needed to see those stats to know how poor he's been. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob W Posted February 19, 2008 Share Posted February 19, 2008 be careful of what you wish for.................. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PM Posted February 19, 2008 Share Posted February 19, 2008 The goal scored by Huth for 'boro was a bit of a shocker as well. A slow looping header should have given him plenty of time to adjust his position, take a few steps back and tip it over the bar. He just stood there rooted like a tree. http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/8558/79491591os3.jpg The free kick moments later was even worse, I thought. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAK Posted February 19, 2008 Share Posted February 19, 2008 In todays Mirror there was an article about who would be Capellos goal keeping choice. It had a list of the ratio of Saves to shots by prem keepers. Given was 2nd from bottom only beating Paul Robinson with a percentage of 54 ish. Edit: Just noticed already being discussed above. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bulivye Posted February 19, 2008 Share Posted February 19, 2008 people have said shay doesn't command his area etc... is there any evidence from his defenders comments to this effect? serious Q, not having a go at anyone. i really wonder if any of the back 4 over the past few years has let slip some damning comment about shay. i also wonder if the harewood injury hasn't gotten inside his head and made him tentative on saves where he has to expose/extend his body and be vulnerable... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest KeithKettleborough Posted February 20, 2008 Share Posted February 20, 2008 He has been good, best shot stopper I have ever seen at the Toon but never great, that accolade would only go to someone good at all aspects of keeping. It often appears to be like a mini Shearer situation. He thinks he is too good to be dropped and will hold onto his position til HE decides its time to go. Big difference of course is that he probably had little to do with any managers/players leaving but its similar, too much "power". What annoyed me about the last game was when he decided to come off. If he had injured himself with the first goal, then with an adequate replacement on the bench, why didn't he come off then? It seemed that he came off when he thought the game was up and that we were heading for a hammering. Rather selfish really when the team should be first priority. We looked solid earlier in the season when Harper was in goal and I could not understand why Sam changed it with Given. Since then we have never looked solid and maybe with confidence low, its too late to get back to those slightly promising days when we weren't leaking goals so alarmingly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest justin99. Posted February 20, 2008 Share Posted February 20, 2008 He has been good, best shot stopper I have ever seen at the Toon but never great, that accolade would only go to someone good at all aspects of keeping. It often appears to be like a mini Shearer situation. He thinks he is too good to be dropped and will hold onto his position til HE decides its time to go. Big difference of course is that he probably had little to do with any managers/players leaving but its similar, too much "power". What annoyed me about the last game was when he decided to come off. If he had injured himself with the first goal, then with an adequate replacement on the bench, why didn't he come off then? It seemed that he came off when he thought the game was up and that we were heading for a hammering. Rather selfish really when the team should be first priority. We looked solid earlier in the season when Harper was in goal and I could not understand why Sam changed it with Given. Since then we have never looked solid and maybe with confidence low, its too late to get back to those slightly promising days when we weren't leaking goals so alarmingly. it's good to see you've got his personality nailed from what, the look on his face on the tv? there some pretty harsh words on someone who I believe has given his all to his club. Obviously it's not enough for some. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 20, 2008 Share Posted February 20, 2008 He has been good, best shot stopper I have ever seen at the Toon but never great, that accolade would only go to someone good at all aspects of keeping. It often appears to be like a mini Shearer situation. He thinks he is too good to be dropped and will hold onto his position til HE decides its time to go. Big difference of course is that he probably had little to do with any managers/players leaving but its similar, too much "power". What annoyed me about the last game was when he decided to come off. If he had injured himself with the first goal, then with an adequate replacement on the bench, why didn't he come off then? It seemed that he came off when he thought the game was up and that we were heading for a hammering. Rather selfish really when the team should be first priority. We looked solid earlier in the season when Harper was in goal and I could not understand why Sam changed it with Given. Since then we have never looked solid and maybe with confidence low, its too late to get back to those slightly promising days when we weren't leaking goals so alarmingly. Might be wrong, but wasn't our best spell when we had Harper in goal, Enrique left-back, and Faye & Cacapa centre-backs? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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