Ashley has failed Newcastle United.

[ChezGiven]

Of course i mean this season and this season is proof that even when you appoint top businessmen with Billions in their pockets, it can actually be worse and 'failures' like 13th in the league arent actually that bad in the cold light of relegation.

 

Man U are £800m in debt, Arsenal are £350m in debt, their position is tenable due to the revenue they make not their profit, if you knew anything about business, you'd know that revenue is the key issue. Just to point out the spasticatedly obvious, ours is the 14th best in world football.

 

To see this, work out what Man U's financers will do next year if they spend £150m on players thus sending their profits west.

 

 

[Baggio]

Of course i mean this season and this season is proof that even when you appoint top businessmen with Billions in their pockets, it can actually be worse and 'failures' like 13th in the league arent actually that bad in the cold light of relegation.

 

Man U are £800m in debt, Arsenal are £350m in debt, their position is tenable due to the revenue they make not their profit, if you knew anything about business, you'd know that revenue is the key issue. Just to point out the spasticatedly obvious, ours is the 14th best in world football.

 

To see this, work out what Man U's financers will do next year if they spend £150m on players thus sending their profits west.

 

 

 

So why don't you tell us how the club could continue buying players in the position we were in then? Do you think they could borrow another £100 million that you've said it'll cost us to get back into the top 6?

 

As for finishing 13th being a poor finish, it was considering the club were 5th a few years earlier and our downfall was because of a run of poor decisions made by the board at the time, the current lot won't get a better finish this year but I've got more faith in them turning it around than the last lot, I won't be acting like a petulant child who hasn't got their own way from now until the end of the season either.

[Dave]

I HOPE anyone who comes in eventually does better than their predecessor. Is it so difficult to understand, without taking that as some kind of attack on the previous lot that you feel you have to defend them over and over again?

 

To keep this short, the title of this thread is bang on. As is Chez' last post. I'm not defending anybody, but people talking about "eating pies" instead of the job they do, is pretty idiotic, as is people harping on about "wank material" just for putting across a point of view with facts to back it up. I always said that replacing the last board with better would be difficult, everybody said otherwise, is that not automatically assuming that things would be better ? Such rants that I have referred to would suggest this is indeed the case in some eyes.

 

Why can't you people just admit that so far, the title of this thread is bang on, and doing better - because they did well - WILL be quite difficult. If it isn't obvious by now, it never will be.

 

 

 

No offence mate, but are you taking the piss? I have pointed out time and time again that I am not happy with various things the new lot have done so far. Did you get that? Should I repeat it? I am not happy with various things the new lot have done so far. What is there to admit?

[NE5]

I HOPE anyone who comes in eventually does better than their predecessor. Is it so difficult to understand, without taking that as some kind of attack on the previous lot that you feel you have to defend them over and over again?

 

To keep this short, the title of this thread is bang on. As is Chez' last post. I'm not defending anybody, but people talking about "eating pies" instead of the job they do, is pretty idiotic, as is people harping on about "wank material" just for putting across a point of view with facts to back it up. I always said that replacing the last board with better would be difficult, everybody said otherwise, is that not automatically assuming that things would be better ? Such rants that I have referred to would suggest this is indeed the case in some eyes.

 

Why can't you people just admit that so far, the title of this thread is bang on, and doing better - because they did well - WILL be quite difficult. If it isn't obvious by now, it never will be.

 

 

 

No offence mate, but are you taking the piss? I have pointed out time and time again that I am not happy with various things the new lot have done so far. Did you get that? Should I repeat it? I am not happy with various things the new lot have done so far. What is there to admit?

 

you are speaking for yourself, and not others then ?

 

 

[Dave]

I HOPE anyone who comes in eventually does better than their predecessor. Is it so difficult to understand, without taking that as some kind of attack on the previous lot that you feel you have to defend them over and over again?

 

To keep this short, the title of this thread is bang on. As is Chez' last post. I'm not defending anybody, but people talking about "eating pies" instead of the job they do, is pretty idiotic, as is people harping on about "wank material" just for putting across a point of view with facts to back it up. I always said that replacing the last board with better would be difficult, everybody said otherwise, is that not automatically assuming that things would be better ? Such rants that I have referred to would suggest this is indeed the case in some eyes.

 

Why can't you people just admit that so far, the title of this thread is bang on, and doing better - because they did well - WILL be quite difficult. If it isn't obvious by now, it never will be.

 

 

 

No offence mate, but are you taking the piss? I have pointed out time and time again that I am not happy with various things the new lot have done so far. Did you get that? Should I repeat it? I am not happy with various things the new lot have done so far. What is there to admit?

 

you are speaking for yourself, and not others then ?

 

 

 

I'm obviously speaking for myself, how could I claim to do otherwise?

 

I've seen the likes of Mick say he's unhappy with things too btw, but that seems to pass you by.

[Syrette]

I don't think theres a single person here who would claim that Mort and Ashley have done a perfect job thus far. And nor, to be fair, should they have been expected to. Mistakes will be made.

[Dave]

I don't think theres a single person here who would claim that Mort and Ashley have done a perfect job thus far. And nor, to be fair, should they have been expected to. Mistakes will be made. Shepherd was rubbish.

 

How dare you etc etc etc.

[NE5]

I HOPE anyone who comes in eventually does better than their predecessor. Is it so difficult to understand, without taking that as some kind of attack on the previous lot that you feel you have to defend them over and over again?

 

To keep this short, the title of this thread is bang on. As is Chez' last post. I'm not defending anybody, but people talking about "eating pies" instead of the job they do, is pretty idiotic, as is people harping on about "wank material" just for putting across a point of view with facts to back it up. I always said that replacing the last board with better would be difficult, everybody said otherwise, is that not automatically assuming that things would be better ? Such rants that I have referred to would suggest this is indeed the case in some eyes.

 

Why can't you people just admit that so far, the title of this thread is bang on, and doing better - because they did well - WILL be quite difficult. If it isn't obvious by now, it never will be.

 

 

 

No offence mate, but are you taking the piss? I have pointed out time and time again that I am not happy with various things the new lot have done so far. Did you get that? Should I repeat it? I am not happy with various things the new lot have done so far. What is there to admit?

 

you are speaking for yourself, and not others then ?

 

 

 

I'm obviously speaking for myself, how could I claim to do otherwise?

 

I've seen the likes of Mick say he's unhappy with things too btw, but that seems to pass you by.

 

fine. Thats understood then, nowt to do with Tron and numerous others giving the impression they automatically assume the new board are better, despite having done nothing to prove it yet and not eating any pies as yet.

 

You just know that if we get relegated, and are heading back to where the Halls and Shepherd found us, its going to be everybody's fault but the new board.

 

In a couple of weeks time, we could be right in shit street, I can't believe people seem to think things are better/going well [delete as appropriate]

 

 

[Dave]

In a couple of weeks time, we could be right in shit street, I can't believe people seem to think things are better/going well [delete as appropriate]

 

That's what winds me up on the behalf of others. Who the hell thinks things are going well?

[ChezGiven]

Of course i mean this season and this season is proof that even when you appoint top businessmen with Billions in their pockets, it can actually be worse and 'failures' like 13th in the league arent actually that bad in the cold light of relegation.

 

Man U are £800m in debt, Arsenal are £350m in debt, their position is tenable due to the revenue they make not their profit, if you knew anything about business, you'd know that revenue is the key issue. Just to point out the spasticatedly obvious, ours is the 14th best in world football.

 

To see this, work out what Man U's financers will do next year if they spend £150m on players thus sending their profits west.

 

 

 

So why don't you tell us how the club could continue buying players in the position we were in then? Do you think they could borrow another £100 million that you've said it'll cost us to get back into the top 6?

 

As for finishing 13th being a poor finish, it was considering the club were 5th a few years earlier and our downfall was because of a run of poor decisions made by the board at the time, the current lot won't get a better finish this year but I've got more faith in them turning it around than the last lot, I won't be acting like a petulant child who hasn't got their own way from now until the end of the season either.

 

I'd reply to you, if you'd actually replied to me.

 

I've already said it was time for a change.

[NE5]

In a couple of weeks time, we could be right in shit street, I can't believe people seem to think things are better/going well [delete as appropriate]

 

That's what winds me up on the behalf of others. Who the hell thinks things are going well?

 

don't they ? Why don't you let them say so ? They certainly give that impression we are better off, without looking at the league table.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Baggio]

In a couple of weeks time, we could be right in shit street, I can't believe people seem to think things are better/going well [delete as appropriate]

 

That's what winds me up on the behalf of others. Who the hell thinks things are going well?

 

don't they ? Why don't you let them say so ? They certainly give that impression we are better off, without looking at the league table.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Who gives that impression?

[Dave]

In a couple of weeks time, we could be right in shit street, I can't believe people seem to think things are better/going well [delete as appropriate]

 

That's what winds me up on the behalf of others. Who the hell thinks things are going well?

 

don't they ? Why don't you let them say so ? They certainly give that impression we are better off, without looking at the league table.

 

Where?

[NE5]

In a couple of weeks time, we could be right in shit street, I can't believe people seem to think things are better/going well [delete as appropriate]

 

That's what winds me up on the behalf of others. Who the hell thinks things are going well?

 

don't they ? Why don't you let them say so ? They certainly give that impression we are better off, without looking at the league table.

 

Where?

 

oh dear

 

"better off without the fat bastard"....etc etc etc

 

Look at the league table. We are in the worst position, with the worst short term prospects, than since we came up in 1993. And they did nothing.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Syrette]

In a couple of weeks time, we could be right in shit street, I can't believe people seem to think things are better/going well [delete as appropriate]

 

That's what winds me up on the behalf of others. Who the hell thinks things are going well?

 

don't they ? Why don't you let them say so ? They certainly give that impression we are better off, without looking at the league table.

 

Where?

 

oh dear

 

"better off without the fat bastard"....etc etc etc

 

Look at the league table. We are in the worst position, with the worst short term prospects, than since we came up in 1993. And they did nothing.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[ATB]

Well I believe it was Keegan that didn´t want any players in the window. If we are going to blame the board we rather do that because they appointed Keegan and not that we didn´t did anything in the window.

 

We shall also remember that it was Fat Fred (the worst chairman ever existed) that hired Sam and not the present board. In fact how can anyone blame a board because the player is not preforming?

 

I can buy the fact that Sam didn´t got that much money in the summer. But that feels like Ashley never did not want Sam from the beginning.

 

What I have seen this far I am more than happy with Mort and co. Hopfully they can show us in the summer that they really want to this club to moved forward. But as they have been saying. You can not rush things when we have been in the shit for long time. Shepherd money have makes us to a card house. Now when we did´t used that much money we are falling.

 

If we are going to blame someone for this position it´s Sam, NOT the board.

[Syrette]

Keegan wanted Woodgate though...

[Dave]

Keegan wanted Woodgate though...

 

He says they tried to hijack the deal and he'd already given his word to Spurs. Direct quote.

[matta]

Of course i mean this season and this season is proof that even when you appoint top businessmen with Billions in their pockets, it can actually be worse and 'failures' like 13th in the league arent actually that bad in the cold light of relegation.

 

Man U are £800m in debt, Arsenal are £350m in debt, their position is tenable due to the revenue they make not their profit, if you knew anything about business, you'd know that revenue is the key issue. Just to point out the spasticatedly obvious, ours is the 14th best in world football.

 

To see this, work out what Man U's financers will do next year if they spend £150m on players thus sending their profits west.

 

 

 

where do you get sources that their debt is THAT high?

[Syrette]

If Keegan genuinely couldn't find any players who'd really improve the squad not just add bodies to it, then fair enough. We could have got players in for sure but given the timing of Keegan's arrival he really didn't have much time or freedom to really search for what could have helped us.

[Mick]

So we ended up in the bottom half of the premiership in the last few years. I remember when that was a measure of success not failure, i wonder who changed those expectations? That'll be due to the people running the club for the last 15 years. The Halls and Shepherd's ownership of the club started in properly in 92 and ended in 07. THEY are judged on what happened to the club during that period.

 

You may want to point out mistakes but lets be fair here, the current lot have made our club a laughing stock and we are under threat of relegation, so making mistakes is part and parcel of cut throat competition.

 

This continuing rubbish between members is just because the people who blamed the board for the failures of the club cant bear to admit that they were wrong, running a premiership football club is extremely difficult, the grass is not greener and even the billionaire owner with good intentions is still f****** things up spectacularly.

 

Roll on Man U eh. 

 

That post is so one sided.

 

We didn't just end up bottom half, Shepherd took over the club when we'd just finished 2nd in the league, his first full season saw us drop to 13th, a position that we repeated the next season.  We then had a couple of 11th places before we had our best 3 finishes under him, 4th, 3rd and 5th, 3 great finishes which were not maintained as Shepherd sacked the manager who gave us them finishes, a manager who was not financially supported in the pre-season before he was sacked.  Robson had Gary Speed sold behind his back, according to him and had Woodgate sold and wasn’t given a replacement.

 

As for us being a laughing stock, if that’s true, and it probably is at the minute then they’ve just maintained the status quo, being a laughing stock isn’t exactly a new thing for us.  If we are currently a laughing stock it’s because our new owner sits with the fans, no big deal as far as I’m concerned.  We sacked Allardyce who didn’t do what most people expected, and it’s because we brought in Keegan, something which is far too early to judge.  Put that against the chairman and vice-chairman making headlines for getting pissed in a brothel, supporters paying for a bond only to get kicked out of the same seats they thought they’d secured for the next 10 years, we had the fans v NUFC in the courts.  The club was in such a state that our share price dropped from 95p to 35p within a few short months because of all of the shit that was going on, the shares price was less than 20p as one time.  We even had people within the Plc resigning because of the way the club was being run, we were in turmoil on and off the pitch.

 

We are currently under threat of relegation but it’s not new though is it?  Souness was sacked because of where we were heading under him and Roeder was just as bad once he was given the job, both of these were capable of getting us relegated.

 

Yes, we’ve had good times under Hall & Shepherd, we’ve also had to put up with a lot of shit along the way, mainly under Shepherd.  A chairman responsible for taking us 11 places down the league in his first full season in charge.  A chairman who left the club 12 places lower in the league from when he took over to when he left.  Under his chairmanship we finished in the bottom half of the league 6 times out of 10, if he’d done that after taking over from those in charge before Sir John then his time might have looked better, he didn’t take over the club in that position, he took over a club that was on a high and he took it backwards.  Shepherd didn’t take over a club who were languishing in the lower levels of the 2nd division, he took over the 2nd best club/team in England and he screwed it up by taking it in the wrong direction.

 

Maybe the new owner and his chairman will do the same, maybe they wont, time will tell.  What I do know is that Chris Mort took over the running of a club in a far worse state than his predecessor.  Nobody is denying what Shepherd did well, he gave us 3 very good seasons, he gave us an expanded ground and he gave us training facilities that we’d never had before, he also gave us plenty of shite along the way and that should not be forgotten when we look at where we are now, it’s not as if everything was going well before the takeover, I doubt we’d be any better now if it hadn’t taken place.

[TRon]

I HOPE anyone who comes in eventually does better than their predecessor. Is it so difficult to understand, without taking that as some kind of attack on the previous lot that you feel you have to defend them over and over again?

 

To keep this short, the title of this thread is bang on. As is Chez' last post. I'm not defending anybody, but people talking about "eating pies" instead of the job they do, is pretty idiotic, as is people harping on about "wank material" just for putting across a point of view with facts to back it up. I always said that replacing the last board with better would be difficult, everybody said otherwise, is that not automatically assuming that things would be better ? Such rants that I have referred to would suggest this is indeed the case in some eyes.

 

Why can't you people just admit that so far, the title of this thread is bang on, and doing better - because they did well - WILL be quite difficult. If it isn't obvious by now, it never will be.

 

 

 

No offence mate, but are you taking the piss? I have pointed out time and time again that I am not happy with various things the new lot have done so far. Did you get that? Should I repeat it? I am not happy with various things the new lot have done so far. What is there to admit?

 

you are speaking for yourself, and not others then ?

 

 

 

I'm obviously speaking for myself, how could I claim to do otherwise?

 

I've seen the likes of Mick say he's unhappy with things too btw, but that seems to pass you by.

 

fine. Thats understood then, nowt to do with Tron and numerous others giving the impression they automatically assume the new board are better, despite having done nothing to prove it yet and not eating any pies as yet.

 

You just know that if we get relegated, and are heading back to where the Halls and Shepherd found us, its going to be everybody's fault but the new board.

 

In a couple of weeks time, we could be right in shit street, I can't believe people seem to think things are better/going well [delete as appropriate]

 

 

 

We are just going round in circles as usual. I have already said I am not about to make a snap negative judgement about the new board in such a short space of time because I don't disagree with much of the work done. Let me repeat it in case you missed it:

 

* Fat Sam fired mid-season - no problem with that for reasons already explained.

* No January transfer activity - no problem for reasons already explained.

* Dennis Wise - no idea yet for reasons already explained.

*Fat Fred - history now so irrelevant unless you want to turn every thread into Shepherd debate which you do without fail. Give it a rest for fucks sake.

 

 

[Baggio]

If Keegan genuinely couldn't find any players who'd really improve the squad not just add bodies to it, then fair enough. We could have got players in for sure but given the timing of Keegan's arrival he really didn't have much time or freedom to really search for what could have helped us.

 

Keegan not signing anyone was no different to Roeder not signing anyone the previous January as none of the players he looked at (Crouch, Davies and Bale) were available.

 

If it goes wrong then he has to take the blame for it.

[Mick]

The new lot haven't started well Chez. That doesn't mean they won't end up doing so, nor does that in turn mean I think they can do no wrong.

 

Havent started well? I'm going to have to wait until the 17th March before i know whether my team is going down? If thats when we get our next points. If its not 3, we are going down imo. I see 2 points from the next four games at best on current form.

 

But then if you'd asked me that question about these coming games in November i would have said the same thing and that cant be on account of the manager anymore, as he has changed, that'll be on account of the playing staff. THAT is the biggest failing of this board, to have failed to recognise the quality of the players working for them.

 

I pointed out earlier in the thread that a fundamental in business is understanding the talents of those who work for you. I cant stress that enough, as we 'stumble' towards relegation.

 

It's not up to the board to recognise the quality of the players, that's the managers job although it doesn‘t always seem to have been the case in the past.  The manager is the one who should hire and fire when the players are involved.  The chairman should provide the manager with the funds to do something about in and in the last two transfer windows money had been available for players and on both occasions we've come out of the window with money still to spend.  If the manager is the wrong one then the chairman is responsible for that unless he goes behind the managers back and buys and sells his players.

[Mick]

The new lot haven't started well Chez. That doesn't mean they won't end up doing so, nor does that in turn mean I think they can do no wrong.

 

Shepherd didn't exactly start well but didn't get the stick that Ashley and Mort are getting, nobody judged him so soon after getting the job, he was rightly given time to prove what he could do.