The all new official Albert Luque megathread

[Northern Monkey]

Im talking about selling him on, yes he has been rubbish for us but im sure the clubs in Spain have seen enough to know he is actually a talented player.

 

And yet there is jsut a rumour abotu one single spanish club coming in for him,. despite it surely being known he was finished here.

[alpal78]

There is no doubt in my mind that we've seen the last of Luque, esp when the likes of Sibierski and Rossi ahead of him on the bench.

 

Well done Roeder for throwing a 9.5M asset down the drain. If Roeder thought he was that bad, he should have been sold even on the cheap in the last window because guess he is gonna be sold even cheaper and we are gonna lose even more money in January.  Would't surprise me if he is sold under 1M at all.

 

Yeah, well done Roeder.  It's your fault that Luque's wages and the fact that he is completely shit have made him a non-viable purchase for pretty much any club not willing to take a massive risk on a player. 

 

The fact is, there were clubs who did came in for him and we presumably turned them down because the offer wasn't big enough. Well guess what, those clubs are gonna come in with an even lower offer in January and this time we will sell less we want to let him go for free at the end of his contract, which all makes a mockery of Roeder's (or Freddy's) decision not to sell him on in the last window. We can debate endlessly bout Luque and whether he was given a fair chance, but what is not debatable is that if Roeder wanted rid of him so bad, then he should have sold him by now instead of keeping him and loose him for even more money in January.

[Northern Monkey]

There is no doubt in my mind that we've seen the last of Luque, esp when the likes of Sibierski and Rossi ahead of him on the bench.

 

Well done Roeder for throwing a 9.5M asset down the drain. If Roeder thought he was that bad, he should have been sold even on the cheap in the last window because guess he is gonna be sold even cheaper and we are gonna lose even more money in January.  Would't surprise me if he is sold under 1M at all.

 

Yeah, well done Roeder.  It's your fault that Luque's wages and the fact that he is completely shit have made him a non-viable purchase for pretty much any club not willing to take a massive risk on a player. 

 

The fact is, there were clubs who did came in for him and we presumably turned them down because the offer wasn't big enough. Well guess what, those clubs are gonna come in with an even lower offer in January and this time we will sell less we want to let him go for free at the end of his contract, which all makes a mockery of Roeder's (or Freddy's) decision not to sell him on in the last window. We can debate endlessly bout Luque and whether he was given a fair chance, but what is not debatable is that if Roeder wanted rid of him so bad, then he should have sold him by now instead of keeping him and loose him for even more money in January.

 

So you know for a fact that certain clubs came in, and if so, why we knocked them back? You must have friends in high places. Or you believe rumours, one of the two.

[Cajun]

Im talking about selling him on, yes he has been rubbish for us but im sure the clubs in Spain have seen enough to know he is actually a talented player.

 

And yet there is jsut a rumour abotu one single spanish club coming in for him,. despite it surely being known he was finished here.

 

If we listen to rumours (which i personally take with a huge pinch of salt) I think there were about 3 clubs in for him and we didnt think the offer was good enough. We dont know what the offer was, it could have been something the fans would have bitten their hands off for (say £5m) but Shepherd decided after losing so much on Boum this summer he wasnt prepared to write off another £4.5m so quickly.

 

Obviously all made up but so is half of this thread anyway 

[Guest alex]

Don't think any firm offers cam in for him tbh. Probably a few clubs fancied taking him on loan with us still paying part of his wages.

[alpal78]

There is no doubt in my mind that we've seen the last of Luque, esp when the likes of Sibierski and Rossi ahead of him on the bench.

 

Well done Roeder for throwing a 9.5M asset down the drain. If Roeder thought he was that bad, he should have been sold even on the cheap in the last window because guess he is gonna be sold even cheaper and we are gonna lose even more money in January.  Would't surprise me if he is sold under 1M at all.

 

Its not ROeders fault that Luque is shit. And Luque is NOT a £9.5m asset, any more than Boumwrong was an £8m asset. If i went out and paid £10,000 for a K Reg Escort, it wouldn't make it actually worth £10,000. It'd mean i paid way too much, liek we did for Luque. Alas, we have also given him wages above his station, and now we are lumbered.

 

Roeder is culpable for a number of errors. Luque being rubbish isn't one of them.

 

Seriously if you were reading, I hardly said that Roeder is to be blamed for Luque being 'rubbish' (according to you). My gripe is that we are gonna yet again lose a player on the cheap and we've done so many times, its unreal. I agree that we over paid when we got him, he is worth more around the 5-6M bracket (based on his form in Depor which by the way was not just invented on the internet reel had you watched La Liga), but we are gonna lose a hell lot of money when we sell him for 2-3M (if we are lucky) in January.

[alpal78]

There is no doubt in my mind that we've seen the last of Luque, esp when the likes of Sibierski and Rossi ahead of him on the bench.

 

Well done Roeder for throwing a 9.5M asset down the drain. If Roeder thought he was that bad, he should have been sold even on the cheap in the last window because guess he is gonna be sold even cheaper and we are gonna lose even more money in January.  Would't surprise me if he is sold under 1M at all.

 

Yeah, well done Roeder.  It's your fault that Luque's wages and the fact that he is completely shit have made him a non-viable purchase for pretty much any club not willing to take a massive risk on a player. 

 

The fact is, there were clubs who did came in for him and we presumably turned them down because the offer wasn't big enough. Well guess what, those clubs are gonna come in with an even lower offer in January and this time we will sell less we want to let him go for free at the end of his contract, which all makes a mockery of Roeder's (or Freddy's) decision not to sell him on in the last window. We can debate endlessly bout Luque and whether he was given a fair chance, but what is not debatable is that if Roeder wanted rid of him so bad, then he should have sold him by now instead of keeping him and loose him for even more money in January.

 

So you know for a fact that certain clubs came in, and if so, why we knocked them back? You must have friends in high places. Or you believe rumours, one of the two.

 

To answer your question, I have friends in high places  blueyes.gif

 

If no club came in, then we should have transfer listed him, because that's what Roeder is affectively doing now anyway.

[Guest alex]

Anyone clear on what Alpal is trying to argue here btw?

[Northern Monkey]

There is no doubt in my mind that we've seen the last of Luque, esp when the likes of Sibierski and Rossi ahead of him on the bench.

 

Well done Roeder for throwing a 9.5M asset down the drain. If Roeder thought he was that bad, he should have been sold even on the cheap in the last window because guess he is gonna be sold even cheaper and we are gonna lose even more money in January.  Would't surprise me if he is sold under 1M at all.

 

Its not ROeders fault that Luque is shit. And Luque is NOT a £9.5m asset, any more than Boumwrong was an £8m asset. If i went out and paid £10,000 for a K Reg Escort, it wouldn't make it actually worth £10,000. It'd mean i paid way too much, liek we did for Luque. Alas, we have also given him wages above his station, and now we are lumbered.

 

Roeder is culpable for a number of errors. Luque being rubbish isn't one of them.

 

Seriously if you were reading, I hardly said that Roeder is to be blamed for Luque being 'rubbish' (according to you). My gripe is that we are gonna yet again lose a player on the cheap and we've done so many times, its unreal. I agree that we over paid when we got him, he is worth more around the 5-6M bracket (based on his form in Depor which by the way was not just invented on the internet reel had you watched La Liga), but we are gonna lose a hell lot of money when we sell him for 2-3M (if we are lucky) in January.

 

If we get £3m for him, based on the ability he has shown since he came here, that'd be fair.

[alpal78]

There is no doubt in my mind that we've seen the last of Luque, esp when the likes of Sibierski and Rossi ahead of him on the bench.

 

Well done Roeder for throwing a 9.5M asset down the drain. If Roeder thought he was that bad, he should have been sold even on the cheap in the last window because guess he is gonna be sold even cheaper and we are gonna lose even more money in January.  Would't surprise me if he is sold under 1M at all.

 

Its not ROeders fault that Luque is shit. And Luque is NOT a £9.5m asset, any more than Boumwrong was an £8m asset. If i went out and paid £10,000 for a K Reg Escort, it wouldn't make it actually worth £10,000. It'd mean i paid way too much, liek we did for Luque. Alas, we have also given him wages above his station, and now we are lumbered.

 

Roeder is culpable for a number of errors. Luque being rubbish isn't one of them.

 

Seriously if you were reading, I hardly said that Roeder is to be blamed for Luque being 'rubbish' (according to you). My gripe is that we are gonna yet again lose a player on the cheap and we've done so many times, its unreal. I agree that we over paid when we got him, he is worth more around the 5-6M bracket (based on his form in Depor which by the way was not just invented on the internet reel had you watched La Liga), but we are gonna lose a hell lot of money when we sell him for 2-3M (if we are lucky) in January.

 

If we get £3m for him, based on the ability he has shown since he came here, that'd be fair.

 

Given Roeder's reluctance to play him, I'd take 3M as well, but I doubt we'll get that high of an offer because the buying clubs know that we want to get rid.

[Guest alex]

There is no doubt in my mind that we've seen the last of Luque, esp when the likes of Sibierski and Rossi ahead of him on the bench.

 

Well done Roeder for throwing a 9.5M asset down the drain. If Roeder thought he was that bad, he should have been sold even on the cheap in the last window because guess he is gonna be sold even cheaper and we are gonna lose even more money in January.  Would't surprise me if he is sold under 1M at all.

 

Yeah, well done Roeder.  It's your fault that Luque's wages and the fact that he is completely shit have made him a non-viable purchase for pretty much any club not willing to take a massive risk on a player. 

 

The fact is, there were clubs who did came in for him and we presumably turned them down because the offer wasn't big enough. Well guess what, those clubs are gonna come in with an even lower offer in January and this time we will sell less we want to let him go for free at the end of his contract, which all makes a mockery of Roeder's (or Freddy's) decision not to sell him on in the last window. We can debate endlessly bout Luque and whether he was given a fair chance, but what is not debatable is that if Roeder wanted rid of him so bad, then he should have sold him by now instead of keeping him and loose him for even more money in January.

 

So you know for a fact that certain clubs came in, and if so, why we knocked them back? You must have friends in high places. Or you believe rumours, one of the two.

 

To answer your question, I have friends in high places  blueyes.gif

 

If no club came in, then we should have transfer listed him, because that's what Roeder is affectively doing now anyway.

Transfer-listing him would further devalue him in terms of the fee we could get for him imo.

[Guest Gemmill]

I still think it was more personal problems between Roeder and Luque nothing more if you are going to pay so much money for a player and not play to his abilities then that makes Roeder a bad Manager. Although he seems to have  woken up with Martins now hasn't he?.

 

Martins also looks to have had some hunger to adapt his game.  Luque on the other hand....  It's nothing to do with personal problems.  Newcastle are currently a club that exists on the margins - we either have a pretty good season (European qualification) or a very bad one (outside of the top 10), and as such we cannot afford to persevere with players like Luque because we cannot afford to risk our season on one player that may never come good.  Luque is exactly that type of player - if I put myself in Roeder's shoes I can totally understand his decisions to pick the players that he knew he could get performances from and not take the risk on the one that he was unlikely to get anything from.

[alpal78]

There is no doubt in my mind that we've seen the last of Luque, esp when the likes of Sibierski and Rossi ahead of him on the bench.

 

Well done Roeder for throwing a 9.5M asset down the drain. If Roeder thought he was that bad, he should have been sold even on the cheap in the last window because guess he is gonna be sold even cheaper and we are gonna lose even more money in January.  Would't surprise me if he is sold under 1M at all.

 

Yeah, well done Roeder.  It's your fault that Luque's wages and the fact that he is completely shit have made him a non-viable purchase for pretty much any club not willing to take a massive risk on a player. 

 

The fact is, there were clubs who did came in for him and we presumably turned them down because the offer wasn't big enough. Well guess what, those clubs are gonna come in with an even lower offer in January and this time we will sell less we want to let him go for free at the end of his contract, which all makes a mockery of Roeder's (or Freddy's) decision not to sell him on in the last window. We can debate endlessly bout Luque and whether he was given a fair chance, but what is not debatable is that if Roeder wanted rid of him so bad, then he should have sold him by now instead of keeping him and loose him for even more money in January.

 

So you know for a fact that certain clubs came in, and if so, why we knocked them back? You must have friends in high places. Or you believe rumours, one of the two.

 

To answer your question, I have friends in high places  blueyes.gif

 

If no club came in, then we should have transfer listed him, because that's what Roeder is affectively doing now anyway.

Transfer-listing him would further devalue him in terms of the fee we could get for him imo.

 

Roeder has affectively transfer listed now that he has been frozen out. The difference is had we done that in the last window, presumably we could have got a decent price after his decent performances in the pre season. In January, he would go for much less seeing as he would have hardly played any game for us.

[Guest mattymorland]

Age old question but has Luque been given even half a decent run in the team in his preferred position? While I concur that he has been shit, at least he has shown some balls by not legging it, not really whinged in the press and has actually stated he wants to stay. Give the boy 6-8 games tucked behind Martins and see what he can do. Most of all, what I reaaly can't see is how Shola Ame-fucking-obi has been one of the worst players to ever wear the toon top, made his debut SIX years ago, is never going to be our answer up front but doesn't come in for half the beef that others take. So fuck if he grew up round here; so did I.

[Guest Gemmill]

There is no doubt in my mind that we've seen the last of Luque, esp when the likes of Sibierski and Rossi ahead of him on the bench.

 

Well done Roeder for throwing a 9.5M asset down the drain. If Roeder thought he was that bad, he should have been sold even on the cheap in the last window because guess he is gonna be sold even cheaper and we are gonna lose even more money in January.  Would't surprise me if he is sold under 1M at all.

 

Yeah, well done Roeder.  It's your fault that Luque's wages and the fact that he is completely shit have made him a non-viable purchase for pretty much any club not willing to take a massive risk on a player. 

 

The fact is, there were clubs who did came in for him and we presumably turned them down because the offer wasn't big enough. Well guess what, those clubs are gonna come in with an even lower offer in January and this time we will sell less we want to let him go for free at the end of his contract, which all makes a mockery of Roeder's (or Freddy's) decision not to sell him on in the last window. We can debate endlessly bout Luque and whether he was given a fair chance, but what is not debatable is that if Roeder wanted rid of him so bad, then he should have sold him by now instead of keeping him and loose him for even more money in January.

 

So you know for a fact that certain clubs came in, and if so, why we knocked them back? You must have friends in high places. Or you believe rumours, one of the two.

 

To answer your question, I have friends in high places  blueyes.gif

 

If no club came in, then we should have transfer listed him, because that's what Roeder is affectively doing now anyway.

Transfer-listing him would further devalue him in terms of the fee we could get for him imo.

 

Roeder has affectively transfer listed now that he has been frozen out. The difference is had we done that in the last window, presumably we could have got a decent price after his decent performances in the pre season. In January, he would go for much less seeing as he would have hardly played any game for us.

 

Decent performances in pre-season??  A goal against Lillestrom you mean?  I don't see anyone breaking the bank because of that. 

[Guest Gemmill]

Age old question but has Luque been given even half a decent run in the team in his preferred position? While I concur that he has been shit, at least he has shown some balls by not legging it, not really whinged in the press and has actually stated he wants to stay. Give the boy 6-8 games tucked behind Martins and see what he can do. Most of all, what I reaaly can't see is how Shola Ame-fucking-obi has been one of the worst players to ever wear the toon top, made his debut SIX years ago, is never going to be our answer up front but doesn't come in for half the beef that others take. So fuck if he grew up round here; so did I.

 

I don't know where you sit in SJP but Shola has come in for MORE THAN his fair share of stick over the years.  As I've said countless times, the fact that Shola is a better bet than Spanish international Albert Luque is Luque's problem, not Shola's.

[Northern Monkey]

Age old question but has Luque been given even half a decent run in the team in his preferred position? While I concur that he has been shit, at least he has shown some balls by not legging it, not really whinged in the press and has actually stated he wants to stay. Give the boy 6-8 games tucked behind Martins and see what he can do. Most of all, what I reaaly can't see is how Shola Ame-fucking-obi has been one of the worst players to ever wear the toon top, made his debut SIX years ago, is never going to be our answer up front but doesn't come in for half the beef that others take. So **** if he grew up round here; so did I.

 

Ameobi IS also shit, yes. Neither of them shoudl be near the first team.

 

But Ameobi, awful, innefective and unskilled as he is, is still a better bet than Luque.

[alpal78]

Age old question but has Luque been given even half a decent run in the team in his preferred position? While I concur that he has been shit, at least he has shown some balls by not legging it, not really whinged in the press and has actually stated he wants to stay. Give the boy 6-8 games tucked behind Martins and see what he can do. Most of all, what I reaaly can't see is how Shola Ame-fucking-obi has been one of the worst players to ever wear the toon top, made his debut SIX years ago, is never going to be our answer up front but doesn't come in for half the beef that others take. So **** if he grew up round here; so did I.

 

Exactly Ameobi was so God fucking awful for the last 4-5 seasons and yet there are those who are willing to stick with him based on his recent purple patch. Luque plays poorly in bits and parts of matches and he is already being called rubbish despite proving his worth for Depor scoring against top teams. The difference is the former is a Geordie boy and the latter is deemed a 'Spanish mercenary'.

[Guest alex]

Age old question but has Luque been given even half a decent run in the team in his preferred position? While I concur that he has been shit, at least he has shown some balls by not legging it, not really whinged in the press and has actually stated he wants to stay. Give the boy 6-8 games tucked behind Martins and see what he can do. Most of all, what I reaaly can't see is how Shola Ame-fucking-obi has been one of the worst players to ever wear the toon top, made his debut SIX years ago, is never going to be our answer up front but doesn't come in for half the beef that others take. So fuck if he grew up round here; so did I.

Name one player who gets more stick off the crowd than Shola.

[Cajun]

Shola has hit form under Roeder, why drop him for a player who doesnt look to have the apetite?

[alpal78]

There is no doubt in my mind that we've seen the last of Luque, esp when the likes of Sibierski and Rossi ahead of him on the bench.

 

Well done Roeder for throwing a 9.5M asset down the drain. If Roeder thought he was that bad, he should have been sold even on the cheap in the last window because guess he is gonna be sold even cheaper and we are gonna lose even more money in January.  Would't surprise me if he is sold under 1M at all.

 

Yeah, well done Roeder.  It's your fault that Luque's wages and the fact that he is completely shit have made him a non-viable purchase for pretty much any club not willing to take a massive risk on a player. 

 

The fact is, there were clubs who did came in for him and we presumably turned them down because the offer wasn't big enough. Well guess what, those clubs are gonna come in with an even lower offer in January and this time we will sell less we want to let him go for free at the end of his contract, which all makes a mockery of Roeder's (or Freddy's) decision not to sell him on in the last window. We can debate endlessly bout Luque and whether he was given a fair chance, but what is not debatable is that if Roeder wanted rid of him so bad, then he should have sold him by now instead of keeping him and loose him for even more money in January.

 

So you know for a fact that certain clubs came in, and if so, why we knocked them back? You must have friends in high places. Or you believe rumours, one of the two.

 

To answer your question, I have friends in high places  blueyes.gif

 

If no club came in, then we should have transfer listed him, because that's what Roeder is affectively doing now anyway.

Transfer-listing him would further devalue him in terms of the fee we could get for him imo.

 

Roeder has affectively transfer listed now that he has been frozen out. The difference is had we done that in the last window, presumably we could have got a decent price after his decent performances in the pre season. In January, he would go for much less seeing as he would have hardly played any game for us.

 

Decent performances in pre-season??  A goal against Lillestrom you mean?  I don't see anyone breaking the bank because of that. 

 

Yes and he was arguably also the MOM for that game and had a reasonably good game against PSV. But I'm sure you missed all that and prefer to focus on the last 5-10 minutes he played last season to rationalize your conclusion.

[Guest mattymorland]

The fact that he is still with us after turning in one shit performance after another for six years is a joke. If it was some Jonny-Foreigner they would be long gone....

[Guest Gemmill]

Age old question but has Luque been given even half a decent run in the team in his preferred position? While I concur that he has been shit, at least he has shown some balls by not legging it, not really whinged in the press and has actually stated he wants to stay. Give the boy 6-8 games tucked behind Martins and see what he can do. Most of all, what I reaaly can't see is how Shola Ame-fucking-obi has been one of the worst players to ever wear the toon top, made his debut SIX years ago, is never going to be our answer up front but doesn't come in for half the beef that others take. So **** if he grew up round here; so did I.

 

Exactly Ameobi was so God fucking awful for the last 4-5 seasons and yet there are those who are willing to stick with him based on his recent purple patch. Luque plays poorly in bits and parts of matches and he is already being called rubbish despite proving his worth for Depor scoring against top teams. The difference is the former is a Geordie boy and the latter is deemed a 'Spanish mercenary'.

 

Bullshit.  The difference is that one has shown that he CAN perform in a black and white shirt, the other has shown that he most definitely can't.  The only people using the Spanish mercenary line are the idiots trying to accuse the people that can't see any reason to persevere with the feckless idiot of xenophobia.  I'm not xenophobic, I just don't like watching shit players not try.

[alpal78]

For the record I agree that Shola should keep his place based on his recent performances, but what his case proves is that you should not write off a player so soon, something that some fans are so happy in doing. Martins would have suffered the same treatment had he not scored against West Ham despite only playing 2-3 games.

[Guest alex]

There is no doubt in my mind that we've seen the last of Luque, esp when the likes of Sibierski and Rossi ahead of him on the bench.

 

Well done Roeder for throwing a 9.5M asset down the drain. If Roeder thought he was that bad, he should have been sold even on the cheap in the last window because guess he is gonna be sold even cheaper and we are gonna lose even more money in January.  Would't surprise me if he is sold under 1M at all.

 

Yeah, well done Roeder.  It's your fault that Luque's wages and the fact that he is completely shit have made him a non-viable purchase for pretty much any club not willing to take a massive risk on a player. 

 

The fact is, there were clubs who did came in for him and we presumably turned them down because the offer wasn't big enough. Well guess what, those clubs are gonna come in with an even lower offer in January and this time we will sell less we want to let him go for free at the end of his contract, which all makes a mockery of Roeder's (or Freddy's) decision not to sell him on in the last window. We can debate endlessly bout Luque and whether he was given a fair chance, but what is not debatable is that if Roeder wanted rid of him so bad, then he should have sold him by now instead of keeping him and loose him for even more money in January.

 

So you know for a fact that certain clubs came in, and if so, why we knocked them back? You must have friends in high places. Or you believe rumours, one of the two.

 

To answer your question, I have friends in high places  blueyes.gif

 

If no club came in, then we should have transfer listed him, because that's what Roeder is affectively doing now anyway.

Transfer-listing him would further devalue him in terms of the fee we could get for him imo.

 

Roeder has affectively transfer listed now that he has been frozen out. The difference is had we done that in the last window, presumably we could have got a decent price after his decent performances in the pre season. In January, he would go for much less seeing as he would have hardly played any game for us.

The only thing transfer-listing him would have done is to send a clear message to a player (already lacking in confidence) who he may need to use in the future that he isn't wanted here and thus lowering his potential value into the bargain. Clubs in Spain would have already been aware Luque was struggling here but transfer-listing a player is a snub a step further than simply not playing someone.