Guest Knightrider Posted March 16, 2008 Share Posted March 16, 2008 As bad as we are now? Given the perfomances against the shit teams, can you once again explain how on earth we are expected to believe we would have done better with the fixtures in 2008? The best the arguers can come up with is "we may have beaten Boro" - whoopy fucking do. I'm talking about in general. In general under Big Sam it wasn't as bad as it is now in general under KK. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJS Posted March 16, 2008 Share Posted March 16, 2008 I remember wins over Spurs, Everton, West Ham, Fulham away, I remember drawing at home to Arsenal, clean sheets at home to Villa, winning away to Bolton. The past 8 games I remember heavy defeats and zero wins. We were playing poorley but what do people expect with the shite team we have? We are playing better now of course but with the same and even worse end result. People are so melodramatic. The football we were playing... nothing's changed there then eh. Only the first two of those (though Spurs were shit at the time) and Arsenal are good results - if you use Fulham as a plus you've lost it for me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted March 16, 2008 Share Posted March 16, 2008 Fulham away was a dreadful performance between two of the least ambitious sides, in attacking terms, that I've seen in recent years in the top flight. Hardly a good advert for Allardyce's methods. We went for a draw against a team there for the taking and fluked a win. It was like watching paint dry. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJS Posted March 16, 2008 Share Posted March 16, 2008 As bad as we are now? Given the perfomances against the shit teams, can you once again explain how on earth we are expected to believe we would have done better with the fixtures in 2008? The best the arguers can come up with is "we may have beaten Boro" - whoopy fucking do. I'm talking about in general. In general under Big Sam it wasn't as bad as it is now in general under KK. Because in general the fixture list was against shit teams - now its evened up - how hard is that to understand? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted March 16, 2008 Share Posted March 16, 2008 I'm talking about in general. In general under Big Sam it wasn't as bad as it is now in general under KK. In general it was worse under Allardyce, he has shit while here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robster Posted March 16, 2008 Share Posted March 16, 2008 He may be forced to drop into the Coca-Cola Championship, while part of him is intrigued by working in Spain. “I’d be fascinated to see if they would appoint an English manager out there,” he says. Not spoken to Chris Coleman in a while then... Fuckwit. Just shows what he knows Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj Posted March 16, 2008 Share Posted March 16, 2008 He may be forced to drop into the Coca-Cola Championship, while part of him is intrigued by working in Spain. “I’d be fascinated to see if they would appoint an English manager out there,” he says. Not spoken to Chris Coleman in a while then... Fuckwit. Just shows what he knows Coleman's Welsh Robster. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Knightrider Posted March 16, 2008 Share Posted March 16, 2008 I remember wins over Spurs, Everton, West Ham, Fulham away, I remember drawing at home to Arsenal, clean sheets at home to Villa, winning away to Bolton. The past 8 games I remember heavy defeats and zero wins. We were playing poorley but what do people expect with the shite team we have? We are playing better now of course but with the same and even worse end result. People are so melodramatic. The football we were playing... nothing's changed there then eh. Only the first two of those (though Spurs were shit at the time) and Arsenal are good results - if you use Fulham as a plus you've lost it for me. I only care about winning first and foremost. It was a shocking performance I know but I don't put much into performances until they either become consistent or inconsistent in regards to forming a jury as a lot of people did based on those "crimes" Under Big Sam we played well at times, rotten at other times, never anything special though. If after 3 years we were still going to places like Fulham playing that way and getting nowt back, then I'd use that to vilify him. A cross section of 21 games though can be interpreted a number of ways. All I know is that in those 21 games we were not on a massive slide and nor where we on a massive surge forward, we were what we were, exceedingly average. We are exceedingly shocking now and on a massive slide downwards. Was Big Sam at fault for that? Well he was manager so he's played a part, but I don't think he can personally be charged with that in the same way that Keegan can't either. The players are mostly to blame and the ones responsible in truth. No-one can tell me Big Sam sent them out away to Fulham to fuck up simple things like passing 5 yards or when we played Liverpool at home, to give up, or to let Pompey score a few times in the opening periods of the match. They are to blame. Worryingly they are who we turn to get us out of it... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj Posted March 16, 2008 Share Posted March 16, 2008 I remember wins over Spurs, Everton, West Ham, Fulham away, I remember drawing at home to Arsenal, clean sheets at home to Villa, winning away to Bolton. The past 8 games I remember heavy defeats and zero wins. We were playing poorley but what do people expect with the shite team we have? We are playing better now of course but with the same and even worse end result. People are so melodramatic. The football we were playing... nothing's changed there then eh. Only the first two of those (though Spurs were shit at the time) and Arsenal are good results - if you use Fulham as a plus you've lost it for me. I only care about winning first and foremost. It was a shocking performance I know but I don't put much into performances until they either become consistent or inconsistent in regards to forming a jury as a lot of people did based on those "crimes" Under Big Sam we played well at times, rotten at other times, never anything special though. If after 3 years we were still going to places like Fulham playing that way and getting nowt back, then I'd use that to vilify him. A cross section of 21 games though can be interpreted a number of ways. All I know is that in those 21 games we were not on a massive slide and nor where we on a massive surge forward, we were what we were, exceedingly average. We are exceedingly shocking now and on a massive slide downwards. Was Big Sam at fault for that? Well he was manager so he's played a part, but I don't think he can personally be charged with that in the same way that Keegan can't either. The players are mostly to blame and the ones responsible in truth. No-one can tell me Big Sam sent them out away to Fulham to fuck up simple things like passing 5 yards or when we played Liverpool at home, to give up, or to let Pompey score a few times in the opening periods of the match. They are to blame. Worryingly they are who we turn to get us out of it... We were on a massive slide iyam. Our two wins in the league being last minute goals against relegation fodder. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted March 16, 2008 Share Posted March 16, 2008 I remember wins over Spurs, Everton, West Ham, Fulham away, I remember drawing at home to Arsenal, clean sheets at home to Villa, winning away to Bolton. The past 8 games I remember heavy defeats and zero wins. We were playing poorley but what do people expect with the shite team we have? We are playing better now of course but with the same and even worse end result. People are so melodramatic. The football we were playing... nothing's changed there then eh. Only the first two of those (though Spurs were shit at the time) and Arsenal are good results - if you use Fulham as a plus you've lost it for me. I only care about winning first and foremost. It was a shocking performance I know but I don't put much into performances until they either become consistent or inconsistent in regards to forming a jury as a lot of people did based on those "crimes" Under Big Sam we played well at times, rotten at other times, never anything special though. If after 3 years we were still going to places like Fulham playing that way and getting nowt back, then I'd use that to vilify him. A cross section of 21 games though can be interpreted a number of ways. All I know is that in those 21 games we were not on a massive slide and nor where we on a massive surge forward, we were what we were, exceedingly average. We are exceedingly shocking now and on a massive slide downwards. Was Big Sam at fault for that? Well he was manager so he's played a part, but I don't think he can personally be charged with that in the same way that Keegan can't either. The players are mostly to blame and the ones responsible in truth. No-one can tell me Big Sam sent them out away to Fulham to fuck up simple things like passing 5 yards or when we played Liverpool at home, to give up, or to let Pompey score a few times in the opening periods of the match. They are to blame. Worryingly they are who we turn to get us out of it... We were on a massive slide iyam. Our two wins in the league being last minute goals against relegation fodder. If Beye hadn't slogged his guts out to win that corner then stayed up and the ref hadn't given a very touch and go penalty, we'd have been pretty much relegated by now. Well done Sam. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Knightrider Posted March 16, 2008 Share Posted March 16, 2008 I remember wins over Spurs, Everton, West Ham, Fulham away, I remember drawing at home to Arsenal, clean sheets at home to Villa, winning away to Bolton. The past 8 games I remember heavy defeats and zero wins. We were playing poorley but what do people expect with the shite team we have? We are playing better now of course but with the same and even worse end result. People are so melodramatic. The football we were playing... nothing's changed there then eh. Only the first two of those (though Spurs were shit at the time) and Arsenal are good results - if you use Fulham as a plus you've lost it for me. I only care about winning first and foremost. It was a shocking performance I know but I don't put much into performances until they either become consistent or inconsistent in regards to forming a jury as a lot of people did based on those "crimes" Under Big Sam we played well at times, rotten at other times, never anything special though. If after 3 years we were still going to places like Fulham playing that way and getting nowt back, then I'd use that to vilify him. A cross section of 21 games though can be interpreted a number of ways. All I know is that in those 21 games we were not on a massive slide and nor where we on a massive surge forward, we were what we were, exceedingly average. We are exceedingly shocking now and on a massive slide downwards. Was Big Sam at fault for that? Well he was manager so he's played a part, but I don't think he can personally be charged with that in the same way that Keegan can't either. The players are mostly to blame and the ones responsible in truth. No-one can tell me Big Sam sent them out away to Fulham to fuck up simple things like passing 5 yards or when we played Liverpool at home, to give up, or to let Pompey score a few times in the opening periods of the match. They are to blame. Worryingly they are who we turn to get us out of it... We were on a massive slide iyam. Our two wins in the league being last minute goals against relegation fodder. If Beye hadn't slogged his guts out to win that corner then stayed up and the ref hadn't given a very touch and go penalty, we'd have been pretty much relegated by now. Well done Sam. Ifs, buts and maybes. If Roeder never signed Martins we'd have went down. He's therefore great. Err. Just as well Sam signed Beye Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJS Posted March 16, 2008 Share Posted March 16, 2008 If you take Fulham in isolation I agree - I've seen games like that under all of our managers but you have to see that that game was the epitome of what we are talking about - going to place like that to play for a 0-0 with a win being a bonus. One or two as bad as that a year are acceptable - making it your mission in life to be like that every week is not. And BTW they are his players. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted March 16, 2008 Share Posted March 16, 2008 I remember wins over Spurs, Everton, West Ham, Fulham away, I remember drawing at home to Arsenal, clean sheets at home to Villa, winning away to Bolton. The past 8 games I remember heavy defeats and zero wins. We were playing poorley but what do people expect with the shite team we have? We are playing better now of course but with the same and even worse end result. People are so melodramatic. The football we were playing... nothing's changed there then eh. Only the first two of those (though Spurs were shit at the time) and Arsenal are good results - if you use Fulham as a plus you've lost it for me. I only care about winning first and foremost. It was a shocking performance I know but I don't put much into performances until they either become consistent or inconsistent in regards to forming a jury as a lot of people did based on those "crimes" Under Big Sam we played well at times, rotten at other times, never anything special though. If after 3 years we were still going to places like Fulham playing that way and getting nowt back, then I'd use that to vilify him. A cross section of 21 games though can be interpreted a number of ways. All I know is that in those 21 games we were not on a massive slide and nor where we on a massive surge forward, we were what we were, exceedingly average. We are exceedingly shocking now and on a massive slide downwards. Was Big Sam at fault for that? Well he was manager so he's played a part, but I don't think he can personally be charged with that in the same way that Keegan can't either. The players are mostly to blame and the ones responsible in truth. No-one can tell me Big Sam sent them out away to Fulham to fuck up simple things like passing 5 yards or when we played Liverpool at home, to give up, or to let Pompey score a few times in the opening periods of the match. They are to blame. Worryingly they are who we turn to get us out of it... We were on a massive slide iyam. Our two wins in the league being last minute goals against relegation fodder. If Beye hadn't slogged his guts out to win that corner then stayed up and the ref hadn't given a very touch and go penalty, we'd have been pretty much relegated by now. Well done Sam. Ifs, buts and maybes. If Roeder never signed Martins we'd have went down. He's therefore great. Err. Just as well Sam signed Beye What a hopeless misunderstanding of the situation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted March 16, 2008 Share Posted March 16, 2008 I only care about winning first and foremost. It was a shocking performance I know but I don't put much into performances until they either become consistent or inconsistent in regards to forming a jury as a lot of people did based on those "crimes" Under Big Sam we played well at times, rotten at other times, never anything special though. If after 3 years we were still going to places like Fulham playing that way and getting nowt back, then I'd use that to vilify him. A cross section of 21 games though can be interpreted a number of ways. All I know is that in those 21 games we were not on a massive slide and nor where we on a massive surge forward, we were what we were, exceedingly average. We are exceedingly shocking now and on a massive slide downwards. Was Big Sam at fault for that? Well he was manager so he's played a part, but I don't think he can personally be charged with that in the same way that Keegan can't either. The players are mostly to blame and the ones responsible in truth. No-one can tell me Big Sam sent them out away to Fulham to f*** up simple things like passing 5 yards or when we played Liverpool at home, to give up, or to let Pompey score a few times in the opening periods of the match. They are to blame. Worryingly they are who we turn to get us out of it... Allardyce sent the team out against Fulham to not lose, he did the same against Derby, Reading and Wigan to name another 3, he's responsible for how we played as much, if not more than the players. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robster Posted March 16, 2008 Share Posted March 16, 2008 He may be forced to drop into the Coca-Cola Championship, while part of him is intrigued by working in Spain. “I’d be fascinated to see if they would appoint an English manager out there,” he says. Not spoken to Chris Coleman in a while then... Fuckwit. Just shows what he knows Coleman's Welsh Robster. I read "English" but in my head heard "British" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Knightrider Posted March 16, 2008 Share Posted March 16, 2008 I only care about winning first and foremost. It was a shocking performance I know but I don't put much into performances until they either become consistent or inconsistent in regards to forming a jury as a lot of people did based on those "crimes" Under Big Sam we played well at times, rotten at other times, never anything special though. If after 3 years we were still going to places like Fulham playing that way and getting nowt back, then I'd use that to vilify him. A cross section of 21 games though can be interpreted a number of ways. All I know is that in those 21 games we were not on a massive slide and nor where we on a massive surge forward, we were what we were, exceedingly average. We are exceedingly shocking now and on a massive slide downwards. Was Big Sam at fault for that? Well he was manager so he's played a part, but I don't think he can personally be charged with that in the same way that Keegan can't either. The players are mostly to blame and the ones responsible in truth. No-one can tell me Big Sam sent them out away to Fulham to f*** up simple things like passing 5 yards or when we played Liverpool at home, to give up, or to let Pompey score a few times in the opening periods of the match. They are to blame. Worryingly they are who we turn to get us out of it... Allardyce sent the team out against Fulham to not lose, he did the same against Derby, Reading and Wigan to name another 3, he's responsible for how we played as much if not more than the players. He's responsible for the performances of individuals? Like I said, when a player fails to make even a simple 5 yard pass, they are to blame, not the bloke sitting in the dugout. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearergol Posted March 16, 2008 Share Posted March 16, 2008 I only care about winning first and foremost. It was a shocking performance I know but I don't put much into performances until they either become consistent or inconsistent in regards to forming a jury as a lot of people did based on those "crimes" Under Big Sam we played well at times, rotten at other times, never anything special though. If after 3 years we were still going to places like Fulham playing that way and getting nowt back, then I'd use that to vilify him. A cross section of 21 games though can be interpreted a number of ways. All I know is that in those 21 games we were not on a massive slide and nor where we on a massive surge forward, we were what we were, exceedingly average. We are exceedingly shocking now and on a massive slide downwards. Was Big Sam at fault for that? Well he was manager so he's played a part, but I don't think he can personally be charged with that in the same way that Keegan can't either. The players are mostly to blame and the ones responsible in truth. No-one can tell me Big Sam sent them out away to Fulham to f*** up simple things like passing 5 yards or when we played Liverpool at home, to give up, or to let Pompey score a few times in the opening periods of the match. They are to blame. Worryingly they are who we turn to get us out of it... Allardyce sent the team out against Fulham to not lose, he did the same against Derby, Reading and Wigan to name another 3, he's responsible for how we played as much if not more than the players. He's responsible for the performances of individuals? Like I said, when a player fails to make even a simple 5 yard pass, they are to blame, not the bloke sitting in the dugout. Who needs a manager then? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted March 16, 2008 Share Posted March 16, 2008 He's responsible for the performances of individuals? Like I said, when a player fails to make even a simple 5 yard pass, they are to blame, not the bloke sitting in the dugout. If Allardyce sends players out to play in a way which isn't natural to them then yes, he's responsible for individual performances. We were doing OK when we were trying to win games then he changed his plan away from home and the players couldn't adjust from game to game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnypd Posted March 16, 2008 Share Posted March 16, 2008 i can't disagree too much with that allardyce says. the sacking was in many ways a poor decision and i think given time he would've turned us into a top 8 side. but given the dire football we'd have to suffer i'm not sure it would've been worth it. however the decision wasn't made because of fan opposition or because we were so awful, it was made cos ashley and mort wanted their own man and with the money spent to acquire the club that is their call to make. i don't think we'd be so low in the table had he still been here, not to say he'd have got us in the top half either. we'd probably have 2 to 4 points more which in our predicament would help a lot. allardyce was too constrained by his philosophy and i think for his sake he needs to get over the science waffle. every top-level manager in the world uses scientific fitness, training and analysis nowadays, but they recognise that they aren't ends in themselves but little things to help you alon. when you make a whole cult around that aspect of the game the other parts of it will inevitably suffer. i think he is correct when he says he tried to do too much too quickly so perhaps he recognises it a bit now. but the comment about players looking at their pro-zone stats illuminates the point, that is laughable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Knightrider Posted March 16, 2008 Share Posted March 16, 2008 The way some fans think, you'd think we wouldn't need one as managing must be a piece of piss to anyone, especially those on forums... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted March 16, 2008 Share Posted March 16, 2008 Happy Face has been spot on from the off about Allardyce imo. He's a hack/fraud/whatever you want to call it who hides behind his 'scientific' coaching methods. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearergol Posted March 16, 2008 Share Posted March 16, 2008 The way some fans think, you'd think we wouldn't need one as managing must be a piece of piss to anyone, especially those on forums... Hang on, you've just said that only the players are to blame. Are you now adding the fans to that list? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted March 16, 2008 Share Posted March 16, 2008 The way some fans think, you'd think we wouldn't need one as managing must be a piece of piss to anyone, especially those on forums... That's a tad ironic coming from you. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted March 16, 2008 Share Posted March 16, 2008 The way some fans think, you'd think we wouldn't need one as managing must be a piece of piss to anyone, especially those on forums... Seeing that what he was trying to do wasn't working was a piece of piss, the fact that he couldn't see it is down to him and that's a failing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted March 16, 2008 Share Posted March 16, 2008 Fulham away was a dreadful performance between two of the least ambitious sides, in attacking terms, that I've seen in recent years in the top flight. Hardly a good advert for Allardyce's methods. We went for a draw against a team there for the taking and fluked a win. It was like watching paint dry. Wigan away was just as bad. Mind-numbingly boring. And we lost that one to boot. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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