Jonas Gutierrez signed from Mallorca on 5 year deal

[Guest Alan Shearer 9]

It's all technique

[Fatwax]

Power in a shot comes from speed and accuracy in the movement of the leg when taking the shot. Jonas certainly has the first quality.

 

It's also Owen's major flaw. Since the knee injury he's lost speed in his leg when going for the shot, equalling in weak shots almost all of the time.

 

That's my understanding of shooting and power anyway as it was explained to me by coaches when I played more.

 

Power (and shooting in general) is all about technique and not speed or strength, see goal-kicks for a prime example of using technique to strike the ball hard. It has nothing to do with strength or speed. Balance/body posture is also a major factor, although body posture comes under technique.

 

Speed of the kick by the way, not the speed of the player in general.

[Guest Howaythetoon]

Power in a shot comes from speed and accuracy in the movement of the leg when taking the shot. Jonas certainly has the first quality.

 

It's also Owen's major flaw. Since the knee injury he's lost speed in his leg when going for the shot, equalling in weak shots almost all of the time.

 

That's my understanding of shooting and power anyway as it was explained to me by coaches when I played more.

 

Power (and shooting in general) is all about technique and not speed or strength, see goal-kicks for a prime example of using technique to strike the ball hard. It has nothing to do with strength or speed. Balance/body posture is also a major factor, although body posture comes under technique.

 

Speed of the kick by the way, not the speed of the player in general.

 

The speed in which the leg swings or kicks has little to nothing to with with the force of impact to ball, it is technique which would be how the player in question swings his leg or kicks the ball not how quick he can swing or kick it.

 

The ankle and foot movement will actually determine the level of power more than the speed of the swing/kick or size of thigh muscle. This is why Martins (and Ronaldo) can hit the ball hard without much back lift which translates as swinging the leg to kick the ball. They and strikers of a ball like them invariably lock their ankle (so to speak) and thus turn their foot into a club.

 

If you lock your ankle, the foot isn't all bendy/floppy, a force of resistance is created, which pushes the ball ball faster.

 

Kick a ball off a wall and it will come back to you harder and faster than it left your foot even if you tap it, locking the ankle has a similar effect as the wall. Incidentally this is why a wall is a superb tool to develop ball control, reflexes and the weaker foot and of course, shooting technique as Shearer discovered when he was a bairn.

[Legacy]

What rubbish, Wright-Phillips and Van Persie have two of the most powerful shots about and they're not exactly the most 'strong'.

 

I still don't understand how he gets so much power in his shots, I mean he hardly moves his foot, strikes it like he's taped it yet the ball flies at the net/someone at like 100mph.. it's ridiculous.

[Guest Howaythetoon]

What rubbish, Wright-Phillips and Van Persie have two of the most powerful shots about and they're not exactly the most 'strong'.

 

I still don't understand how he gets so much power in his shots, I mean he hardly moves his foot, strikes it like he's taped it yet the ball flies at the net/someone at like 100mph.. it's ridiculous.

 

He too 'locks' his ankle.

[DubblyDubblyDubbly]

Laurent Robert didn't have big glutes or a big back-lift... he just twatted it

[Ronaldo]

Laurent Robert didn't have big glutes or a big back-lift... he just twatted it

 

Robert's legs were huge, for a footballer at least

[Guest Sniffer]

Pity about the size of his heart.

[Ronaldo]

i'd happily take 11 players with smaller hearts than him if they all had his ability

[sicsfingeredmong]

Imagine Gutierrez in a team like Liverpool or Chelsea. He would be amazing, this guy is amazing for the Argentine nationalt eam, hes trying to much because our whole freaking squad is just s***. Wouldn't surprise me if he's out back to La Liga or some other top clubs in June. Bassong too.

 

he's a PL player, he's said so himself. that said can see teams in europe going for him in the summer. not sure if they will get him, but i can see them trying.

 

I remember when he was playing for Keegan.

 

Attacking movement was exceptional throughout the team, which allowed Jonas to get involved in some really good passing moves, and he could run the full length of the pitch.

 

This doesn't happen anymore, because Kinnear spends four days out of five coacching defending.

 

Hence we are completely impotent.

 

Kinnear Out!

 

you know kinnear does that james? are you at the training ground 5 days a week?

 

we're completely impotent because we have martins and owen out injured. attacking movement wasn't bad vs the mackems, we just couldn't get shola or andy to move their lanky arses into any sort of space.

 

i'm not defending kinnear here btw, he's the worst manager i've ever seen both in a tactical sense and in a "what a c***" sense.

 

Kinnear has said that's what he does.

 

Yes, he did.

[Guest Heneage]

i'd happily take 11 players with smaller hearts than him if they all had his ability

I remember when we got him, a lot of hype, big fee, what a player. 

[Guest timmy boy]

How we could do with someone who has the ability of Robert now, some of his goals were ridiculously good. The reverse bicycle kick v Fulham. The free kicks v Derby and Liverpool and that rocket he scored at Goodison park from a Woodgate pass. On his day he really was an awesome player to have, he had the ability to create some thing out of nothing, which we now lack. Only Martins can sporadically do this.

[sicsfingeredmong]

How we could do with someone who has the ability of Robert now, some of his goals were ridiculously good. The reverse bicycle kick v Fulham. The free kicks v Derby and Liverpool and that rocket he scored at Goodison park from a Woodgate pass. On his day he really was an awesome player to have, he had the ability to create some thing out of nothing, which we now lack. Only Martins can sporadically do this.

 

Somebody who could check back inside, with an accompanying shot to worry the keeper, is a missing ingredient right now. Guiterrez hasn't won me over as an attacking wide player thanks to his finished product - or lack of.

 

Those who bashed Robert for not having physical presence from a defensive standpoint rarely mentioned or simply overlooked his positional play in the final 1/3. We need that right now. I'd take that attacking element - Robert - over Guiterrez's more forceful defensive shift.

 

Goal returns from the midfield line is what seperates the top 4/6 from the also rans, and in our case with an injury depleted and largely unproductive strikeforce  it could be well be a major deciding factor between us staying up and going down this season.

[sicsfingeredmong]

Power in a shot comes from speed and accuracy in the movement of the leg when taking the shot. Jonas certainly has the first quality.

 

It's also Owen's major flaw. Since the knee injury he's lost speed in his leg when going for the shot, equalling in weak shots almost all of the time.

 

That's my understanding of shooting and power anyway as it was explained to me by coaches when I played more.

 

Power (and shooting in general) is all about technique and not speed or strength, see goal-kicks for a prime example of using technique to strike the ball hard. It has nothing to do with strength or speed. Balance/body posture is also a major factor, although body posture comes under technique.

 

Agree with much of that.

 

As well as being one of the elite 'pure' finishers of his generation in Serie-A former Lazio striker - Signori i think - used to hit a powerful penalty and many of them were aimed at either top corner. He was also a dangerous taker of set-pieces. All was accomplished from a one-two step take-off prior to shooting, and the same player was never blessed with Owen's pre-injury/ies athletic attributes.

 

As you say, a blend of technique - ie. ball striking - and balance.

[LooneyToonArmy]

i'd happily take 11 players with smaller hearts than him if they all had his ability

 

sadly I get the impression by many on here that they`d prefer 11 workhorses than a player with a bit of ability like Robert.

[Guest optimistic nit]

Imagine Gutierrez in a team like Liverpool or Chelsea. He would be amazing, this guy is amazing for the Argentine nationalt eam, hes trying to much because our whole freaking squad is just s***. Wouldn't surprise me if he's out back to La Liga or some other top clubs in June. Bassong too.

 

he's a PL player, he's said so himself. that said can see teams in europe going for him in the summer. not sure if they will get him, but i can see them trying.

 

I remember when he was playing for Keegan.

 

Attacking movement was exceptional throughout the team, which allowed Jonas to get involved in some really good passing moves, and he could run the full length of the pitch.

 

This doesn't happen anymore, because Kinnear spends four days out of five coacching defending.

 

Hence we are completely impotent.

 

Kinnear Out!

 

you know kinnear does that james? are you at the training ground 5 days a week?

 

we're completely impotent because we have martins and owen out injured. attacking movement wasn't bad vs the mackems, we just couldn't get shola or andy to move their lanky arses into any sort of space.

 

i'm not defending kinnear here btw, he's the worst manager i've ever seen both in a tactical sense and in a "what a c***" sense.

 

Kinnear has said that's what he does.

 

Yes, he did.

 

oh really? fair enough.

[Nobody]

Power in a shot comes from speed and accuracy in the movement of the leg when taking the shot. Jonas certainly has the first quality.

 

It's also Owen's major flaw. Since the knee injury he's lost speed in his leg when going for the shot, equalling in weak shots almost all of the time.

 

That's my understanding of shooting and power anyway as it was explained to me by coaches when I played more.

 

Power (and shooting in general) is all about technique and not speed or strength, see goal-kicks for a prime example of using technique to strike the ball hard. It has nothing to do with strength or speed. Balance/body posture is also a major factor, although body posture comes under technique.

It's not all about technique, though you certainly don't have to be powerful to have a powerful shot. In the same way, you don't have to  have excellent technique to be able to blast it, I'd say our very own Martins is proof of that. He just twats the ball as hard as he can, and that's where he gets his power from.

[Guest Alan Shearer 9]

Oba's striking technique is the best part of his technique. His first touch is gash and close control not much better.

[Guest Howaythetoon]

Power in a shot comes from speed and accuracy in the movement of the leg when taking the shot. Jonas certainly has the first quality.

 

It's also Owen's major flaw. Since the knee injury he's lost speed in his leg when going for the shot, equalling in weak shots almost all of the time.

 

That's my understanding of shooting and power anyway as it was explained to me by coaches when I played more.

 

Power (and shooting in general) is all about technique and not speed or strength, see goal-kicks for a prime example of using technique to strike the ball hard. It has nothing to do with strength or speed. Balance/body posture is also a major factor, although body posture comes under technique.

It's not all about technique, though you certainly don't have to be powerful to have a powerful shot. In the same way, you don't have to  have excellent technique to be able to blast it, I'd say our very own Martins is proof of that. He just twats the ball as hard as he can, and that's where he gets his power from.

 

What Ass9 said.