johnnypd Posted September 10, 2008 Share Posted September 10, 2008 In all honesty.... The signings we have made appear to be top notch signings, for relatively cheap prices. Obviously we cannot judge too much atm but like so far they have been class, especially spiderman. If Wise is making these sort of signings, Ashley is saving this money, our debts are wiped ( ? )...do we really have anything to complain about the new regime as of yet? If Keegan didn't like their plans in a way it's tough s****. We'll have someone who does fit into their plans. No one man is bigger than our club, dare I say it not even Shearer. I know this will spark a lot of debate....I just think that even though I too believe we are far from having everything fine and dandy, we are hardly in a crisis and therefore am most likely not going to be protesting, or at least not as extravagantly as a lot of others will be. Anyhooo..... Which of our signings are top notch? Guthrie? Bassong? Xisco? Nacho? The former two clearly aren't, nor were they cheaper than one would expect, and you haven't seen the other two. Then there's Coloccini. He's good, but he didn't come cheap. Not at all. Jonas did come cheap, and has certain strengths, but for how long will people love him when they notice he's less creative than James Milner? He's scored exactly as many goals in his whole career as Milner did in his time here, and in twice as many games. His assist ratio isn't any better. But he runs more and faster. Basically, we have replaced Milner with an older but faster and even harder working version. So much for our youth policy. not a bad post. Jonas looks good to me but as you say, he's not got the best track record in terms of creativity. it's too early to judge him and the others. to get back to the original post, i remember people at the time being far happier with Owen and Luque (and Solano) than they are now with Xisco and Gonzalez. didnt KK say Mallorca's top scorer scored most of his goals due to Jonas?! Have i been lied too?! he got 5 assists last season. he was being talked up by keegan, and i imagine he also meant it in terms of his strong running opening up space, rather than delivering the crucial ball. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve_69 Posted September 10, 2008 Share Posted September 10, 2008 The main difference is depite the fact he was a f***ing idiot who took the club to the brink of bankrupcy (allegedly), at least Freddy Shepherd had the courage to communicate with us. Mike Ashley, Dennis Wise, Tony Jimenez and Derek Lambias don't have the respect or the balls to tell us what the f*** is going on. A lot of this tension and animosity could've been removed if they'd have just spoken to us but it's gone way beyond that now. I personally think a lot of what they've done here has been really posivite, particularly with regards to not splashing money recklessly on players who have had their best years at other clubs, however it's become quite clear that the fans do not figure in their thinking and for that reason they will never have my support. Mike Ashley might own Newcastle United on paper but this is our club. so am i right in thinking that your angry and want them out because they havent communicated with you as well as you think they should have? Is that a good enough reason to want them out? Im simply playing devils advocate here btw I'm still gutted that they forced Keegan out of the club as well. For the first time in years there was genuine optimism about the place. Keegan and NUFC belong together, it's a match made in heaven and it's just such a shame that it didn't work out. I'm not niaive enough to think that it was all the board's fault but IMO they should've done more to keep him. Now I am just fucking seething that the board haven't done something to appease us. Communication is the basis for any healthy relationship and by not telling us anything they are widening the divide between us and them. The level of arrogance being shown by Ashley and his cockney rebels is nothing short of disguting. We have a right to know what's going on. It's our money that lines that fat cunt's pocket and it's our money that pays the board's and the players' wages. We are all stakeholders in Newcastle United and as such we deserve to be shown some fucking respect. This lack of communication with key stakeholders would not be accepted in any other area of business so why should we swallow it? It's quite clear that they couldn't give a fuck about us, all they are interested in is making a profit from the club. That's why i'm angry! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnonel Posted September 10, 2008 Share Posted September 10, 2008 all they are interested in is making a profit from the club. erm........ the club has to be successful to be profitable, no? and, how does this make newcastle different to any other club? Im sure the owners of the top 4 are doing it for the love of the region and the fans? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elliottman Posted September 10, 2008 Share Posted September 10, 2008 all they are interested in is making a profit from the club. erm........ the club has to be successful to be profitable, no? and, how does this make newcastle different to any other club? Im sure the owners of the top 4 are doing it for the love of the region and the fans? Great point tbf. Apart from Roman and the new City guy, which other owners buy a club with the thoughts - "lets go blow millions on players and just have a good laugh". None. All owners are in it to make a profit. Ashleys idea is to do that by trying to unearth young talent for cheap - rightly or wrongly. No doubt the bloke has been tight. But ill state what i said earlier, despite being tight, our squad is still looking the best is has since the SBR era, and that has been without speding much. So i dont think saying he is in it to make a profit is a good enough reason for all this uproar. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve_69 Posted September 10, 2008 Share Posted September 10, 2008 all they are interested in is making a profit from the club. erm........ the club has to be successful to be profitable, no? and, how does this make newcastle different to any other club? Im sure the owners of the top 4 are doing it for the love of the region and the fans? erm no actually. The club is currently being run at a profit yet we've had no sign of success for years. That is down to astute dealings in the transfer market and a loyal fan base who continue to put money into the club. The communication between other boards and their fans is infinitely better than what we are subjected to here because most sensible Chairman, MD's, Directors of football clubs appreciate the importance and the value of communicating with their stakeholders. The proposed boycott of matches, the club shop etc. will put a big dent in the club's finances if it goes ahead and i believe it could've been avoided if the club's Directors had actually communicated with us via an interview, press conference or question and answer session, which highlights the importance of good communication. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnonel Posted September 10, 2008 Share Posted September 10, 2008 erm no actually. The club is currently being run at a profit yet we've had no sign of success for years. That is down to astute dealings in the transfer market and a loyal fan base who continue to put money into the club. ahh, the kind of profit where Ashley put in close to 100 million of his own money to wipe out debt? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themanupstairs Posted September 10, 2008 Share Posted September 10, 2008 In all honesty.... The signings we have made appear to be top notch signings, for relatively cheap prices. Obviously we cannot judge too much atm but like so far they have been class, especially spiderman. If Wise is making these sort of signings, Ashley is saving this money, our debts are wiped ( ? )...do we really have anything to complain about the new regime as of yet? If Keegan didn't like their plans in a way it's tough s****. We'll have someone who does fit into their plans. No one man is bigger than our club, dare I say it not even Shearer. I know this will spark a lot of debate....I just think that even though I too believe we are far from having everything fine and dandy, we are hardly in a crisis and therefore am most likely not going to be protesting, or at least not as extravagantly as a lot of others will be. Anyhooo..... What do you mean dare you say it not even Shearer? Shearer will never be as loved as Keegan is. Might just be different generations, but Shearer means more to me than Keegan. Get out of town. I can't believe you're questioning that TBH. If you are 20 or under then at best you have a vague memory of 1 or 2 seasons under Keegan, but you spent the whole of your formative teenage years cheering on Shearer. Of course for a lot of fans Shearer is more loved than Keegan. And importantly that applies to younger players too. *BTW I have no idea how old heza09 is, just voicing my opinion I'm 18 mate. Thing is Shearer is our record goalscorer at the club, and in the Premiership. I don't see how it was such a stupid thign to say no matter what age I am....? Ah, as I said then, you probably only have a very vague memory of Keegan first time around. And I agree, it was a perfectly reasonable thing to say. We are in quite a unique situation having two genuine local legends in recent times. (arguably 3 if you include SBR) Is Bearsley not a legend? Gazza? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themanupstairs Posted September 10, 2008 Share Posted September 10, 2008 all they are interested in is making a profit from the club. erm........ the club has to be successful to be profitable, no? and, how does this make newcastle different to any other club? Im sure the owners of the top 4 are doing it for the love of the region and the fans? erm no actually. The club is currently being run at a profit yet we've had no sign of success for years. That is down to astute dealings in the transfer market and a loyal fan base who continue to put money into the club. The communication between other boards and their fans is infinitely better than what we are subjected to here because most sensible Chairman, MD's, Directors of football clubs appreciate the importance and the value of communicating with their stakeholders. The proposed boycott of matches, the club shop etc. will put a big dent in the club's finances if it goes ahead and i believe it could've been avoided if the club's Directors had actually communicated with us via an interview, press conference or question and answer session, which highlights the importance of good communication. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Edd Posted September 10, 2008 Share Posted September 10, 2008 In all honesty.... The signings we have made appear to be top notch signings, for relatively cheap prices. Obviously we cannot judge too much atm but like so far they have been class, especially spiderman. If Wise is making these sort of signings, Ashley is saving this money, our debts are wiped ( ? )...do we really have anything to complain about the new regime as of yet? If Keegan didn't like their plans in a way it's tough s****. We'll have someone who does fit into their plans. No one man is bigger than our club, dare I say it not even Shearer. I know this will spark a lot of debate....I just think that even though I too believe we are far from having everything fine and dandy, we are hardly in a crisis and therefore am most likely not going to be protesting, or at least not as extravagantly as a lot of others will be. Anyhooo..... What do you mean dare you say it not even Shearer? Shearer will never be as loved as Keegan is. Might just be different generations, but Shearer means more to me than Keegan. Get out of town. I can't believe you're questioning that TBH. If you are 20 or under then at best you have a vague memory of 1 or 2 seasons under Keegan, but you spent the whole of your formative teenage years cheering on Shearer. Of course for a lot of fans Shearer is more loved than Keegan. And importantly that applies to younger players too. *BTW I have no idea how old heza09 is, just voicing my opinion I'm 18 mate. Thing is Shearer is our record goalscorer at the club, and in the Premiership. I don't see how it was such a stupid thign to say no matter what age I am....? Ah, as I said then, you probably only have a very vague memory of Keegan first time around. And I agree, it was a perfectly reasonable thing to say. We are in quite a unique situation having two genuine local legends in recent times. (arguably 3 if you include SBR) Is Bearsley not a legend? Gazza? Well if a legend is someone that almost universally unites fans then you could argue that yes, Beardsley is. Gazza on the other hand I'd say definitely not. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Normski Posted September 10, 2008 Share Posted September 10, 2008 Ashley has not "wiped out the debt" He has loaned the company 100M to clear the debts for other providers and the money is owing to himself and he will charge "no interest on this sum". The money is still owing to Ashley and I presume he can take this back at any time. He may be repaying the debt to himself with the Sky money That's why the club which he paid £135M for is now worth £235M as he would get his investment back plus the loan of £100M Even though he is a billonaire this may be on paper and he may not have any more readily available "cash" He is restructuring the club ready for sale in the future, this may be a five year plan but I don't think we will see him putting up large sums for players as his ambition is not the same as ours. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnypd Posted September 10, 2008 Share Posted September 10, 2008 Ashley has not "wiped out the debt" He has loaned the company 100M to clear the debts for other providers and the money is owing to himself and he will charge "no interest on this sum". The money is still owing to Ashley and I presume he can take this back at any time. He may be repaying the debt to himself with the Sky money That's why the club which he paid £135M for is now worth £235M as he would get his investment back plus the loan of £100M Even though he is a billonaire this may be on paper and he may not have any more readily available "cash" He is restructuring the club ready for sale in the future, this may be a five year plan but I don't think we will see him putting up large sums for players as his ambition is not the same as ours. got a link for that? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveMc Posted September 10, 2008 Share Posted September 10, 2008 He said it in the club magazine interview Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colos Short and Curlies Posted September 10, 2008 Share Posted September 10, 2008 Ashley has not "wiped out the debt" He has loaned the company 100M to clear the debts for other providers and the money is owing to himself and he will charge "no interest on this sum". The money is still owing to Ashley and I presume he can take this back at any time. He may be repaying the debt to himself with the Sky money That's why the club which he paid £135M for is now worth £235M as he would get his investment back plus the loan of £100M Even though he is a billonaire this may be on paper and he may not have any more readily available "cash" He is restructuring the club ready for sale in the future, this may be a five year plan but I don't think we will see him putting up large sums for players as his ambition is not the same as ours. So what you are saying is that the club is worth £235m compared to £135m before Ashley 'lent £100m' to repay the debts? Surely if you replace one debt with another the value stays at £135m. If someone comes in and offers £235m Ashley would still only really receive £135m as the £100m is his anyway Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elliottman Posted September 10, 2008 Share Posted September 10, 2008 so the search goes on for answers... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slugsy Posted September 10, 2008 Share Posted September 10, 2008 Ashley has not "wiped out the debt" He has loaned the company 100M to clear the debts for other providers and the money is owing to himself and he will charge "no interest on this sum". The money is still owing to Ashley and I presume he can take this back at any time. He may be repaying the debt to himself with the Sky money That's why the club which he paid £135M for is now worth £235M as he would get his investment back plus the loan of £100M Even though he is a billonaire this may be on paper and he may not have any more readily available "cash" He is restructuring the club ready for sale in the future, this may be a five year plan but I don't think we will see him putting up large sums for players as his ambition is not the same as ours. So what you are saying is that the club is worth £235m compared to £135m before Ashley 'lent £100m' to repay the debts? Surely if you replace one debt with another the value stays at £135m. If someone comes in and offers £235m Ashley would still only really receive £135m as the £100m is his anyway Indeed - the difference between equity and enterprise value Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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