Guest Howaythetoon Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 "I'm proud of what we have achieved so far and I feel we can build on it." - Joe Kinnear You have achieved absolutely nothing so far Joe and if you're proud of your poor-to-average record as manager of Newcastle United thus far it is no wonder Shay Given, a player with exceptionally high standards, appears to be wanting out if this is how you define success. He's come into a very unstable club, and steadied the ship in many respects. Yes the performances haven't been great and plenty of mistakes have been made but he could easily have done worse. It feels awkward saying this after the Liverpool game but he does deserve some credit and it's a shame you won't give him that. He is being paid a fortune to win games and make correct decisions which he isn't exactly doing very well at is he, so he doesn't deserve any credit or won't get any for me anyway. He deserves respect and support because he's the manager of our club and he'll get that for me, especially the former, but he hasn't achieved anything worthy of any credit or high praise. He hasn't steadied any ship either as its still in choppy waters with some of the crew willing to jump overboard and find their own way to safety that's how choppy it is. I will (and have) credit him where credit is due, i.e. the Chelsea and Portsmouth results and performances, but in general his record which he claims to be proud of is poor-to-average irrespective, which I'm not going to start praising just for the sake of it because the circumstances aren't too great or because no-one else was seemingly interested in the job. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baggio Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 "I'm proud of what we have achieved so far and I feel we can build on it." - Joe Kinnear You have achieved absolutely nothing so far Joe and if you're proud of your poor-to-average record as manager of Newcastle United thus far it is no wonder Shay Given, a player with exceptionally high standards, appears to be wanting out if this is how you define success. He's come into a very unstable club, and steadied the ship in many respects. Yes the performances haven't been great and plenty of mistakes have been made but he could easily have done worse. It feels awkward saying this after the Liverpool game but he does deserve some credit and it's a shame you won't give him that. He is being paid a fortune to win games and make correct decisions which he isn't exactly doing very well at is he, so he doesn't deserve any credit or won't get any for me anyway. He deserves respect and support because he's the manager of our club and he'll get that for me, especially the former, but he hasn't achieved anything worthy of any credit or high praise. He hasn't steadied any ship either as its still in choppy waters with some of the crew willing to jump overboard and find their own way to safety. I will credit him where credit is due, i.e. the Chelsea and Portsmouth results and performances, but in general his record which he claims to be proud of is poor-to-average irrespective, which I'm not going to start praising just for the sake of it because the circumstances aren't too great or because no-one else was seemingly interested in the job. Funny how you were full of praise for Keegan last season even though their records are similar. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LucaAltieri Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 "I'm proud of what we have achieved so far and I feel we can build on it." - Joe Kinnear You have achieved absolutely nothing so far Joe and if you're proud of your poor-to-average record as manager of Newcastle United thus far it is no wonder Shay Given, a player with exceptionally high standards, appears to be wanting out if this is how you define success. He's come into a very unstable club, and steadied the ship in many respects. Yes the performances haven't been great and plenty of mistakes have been made but he could easily have done worse. It feels awkward saying this after the Liverpool game but he does deserve some credit and it's a shame you won't give him that. He is being paid a fortune to win games and make correct decisions which he isn't exactly doing very well at is he, so he doesn't deserve any credit or won't get any for me anyway. He deserves respect and support because he's the manager of our club and he'll get that for me, especially the former, but he hasn't achieved anything worthy of any credit or high praise. He hasn't steadied any ship either as its still in choppy waters with some of the crew willing to jump overboard and find their own way to safety that's how choppy it is. I will (and have) credit him where credit is due, i.e. the Chelsea and Portsmouth results and performances, but in general his record which he claims to be proud of is poor-to-average irrespective, which I'm not going to start praising just for the sake of it because the circumstances aren't too great or because no-one else was seemingly interested in the job. Lowest paid manager in the league, isn't he? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest fraser Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 "I'm proud of what we have achieved so far and I feel we can build on it." - Joe Kinnear You have achieved absolutely nothing so far Joe and if you're proud of your poor-to-average record as manager of Newcastle United thus far it is no wonder Shay Given, a player with exceptionally high standards, appears to be wanting out if this is how you define success. He's come into a very unstable club, and steadied the ship in many respects. Yes the performances haven't been great and plenty of mistakes have been made but he could easily have done worse. It feels awkward saying this after the Liverpool game but he does deserve some credit and it's a shame you won't give him that. He is being paid a fortune to win games and make correct decisions which he isn't exactly doing very well at is he, so he doesn't deserve any credit or won't get any for me anyway. He deserves respect and support because he's the manager of our club and he'll get that for me, especially the former, but he hasn't achieved anything worthy of any credit or high praise. He hasn't steadied any ship either as its still in choppy waters with some of the crew willing to jump overboard and find their own way to safety. I will credit him where credit is due, i.e. the Chelsea and Portsmouth results and performances, but in general his record which he claims to be proud of is poor-to-average irrespective, which I'm not going to start praising just for the sake of it because the circumstances aren't too great or because no-one else was seemingly interested in the job. Funny how you were full of praise for Keegan last season even though their records are similar. His main mistake was against Liverpool in persisting with 442 when we couldn't cope with their midfield but we'd still have been outplayed by a team at the top of its form, confident and well-coached (after three seasons of stability!). He's done a good job other than that; the defeat against Wigan was entirely down to players underperforming or being played injured, neither of which I consider JFK's fault on that occasion. An easier home match after Wigan may have righted the boat. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaizero Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 "I'm proud of what we have achieved so far and I feel we can build on it." - Joe Kinnear You have achieved absolutely nothing so far Joe and if you're proud of your poor-to-average record as manager of Newcastle United thus far it is no wonder Shay Given, a player with exceptionally high standards, appears to be wanting out if this is how you define success. He's come into a very unstable club, and steadied the ship in many respects. Yes the performances haven't been great and plenty of mistakes have been made but he could easily have done worse. It feels awkward saying this after the Liverpool game but he does deserve some credit and it's a shame you won't give him that. He is being paid a fortune to win games and make correct decisions which he isn't exactly doing very well at is he, so he doesn't deserve any credit or won't get any for me anyway. He deserves respect and support because he's the manager of our club and he'll get that for me, especially the former, but he hasn't achieved anything worthy of any credit or high praise. He hasn't steadied any ship either as its still in choppy waters with some of the crew willing to jump overboard and find their own way to safety that's how choppy it is. I will (and have) credit him where credit is due, i.e. the Chelsea and Portsmouth results and performances, but in general his record which he claims to be proud of is poor-to-average irrespective, which I'm not going to start praising just for the sake of it because the circumstances aren't too great or because no-one else was seemingly interested in the job. Lowest paid manager in the league, isn't he? Indeed he is. He's on fuck all apparently compared to even the second lowest paid manager in the league. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
midds Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 I often wonder where we'd be if he'd turned the job down and Hughton had still been in charge of the first team. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robster Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 Lowest paid manager in the league, isn't he? Indeed he is. He's on fuck all apparently compared to even the second lowest paid manager in the league. What is he on Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
midds Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 Lowest paid manager in the league, isn't he? Indeed he is. He's on fuck all apparently compared to even the second lowest paid manager in the league. What is he on a hiding to nothing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liam Liam Liam O Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 I often wonder where we'd be if he'd turned the job down and Hughton had still been in charge of the first team. Top 6. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
La Parka Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 I often wonder where we'd be if he'd turned the job down and Hughton had still been in charge of the first team. Top 6. Of the championship. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liam Liam Liam O Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 Lowest paid manager in the league, isn't he? Indeed he is. He's on fuck all apparently compared to even the second lowest paid manager in the league. What is he on a hiding to nothing. Pretty much. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtype Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 I often wonder where we'd be if he'd turned the job down and Hughton had still been in charge of the first team. Top 6. Of the championship. We'd have been so bad that they'd have given special dispensation to relegate us before Christmas. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sicko2ndbest Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 Lowest paid manager in the league, isn't he? Indeed he is. He's on f*** all apparently compared to even the second lowest paid manager in the league. What is he on 10k per week apparantly Cant see Brown, Pulis, Adams, Mowbray, Megson or Spragia being on much more Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liam Liam Liam O Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 Lowest paid manager in the league, isn't he? Indeed he is. He's on f*** all apparently compared to even the second lowest paid manager in the league. What is he on 10k per week apparantly Cant see Brown, Pulis, Adams, Mowbray, Megson or Spragia being on much more How do you know any of that? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 I often wonder where we'd be if he'd turned the job down and Hughton had still been in charge of the first team. Or the owner actually took some responsibility and sought to quickly end supporter tension by appointing a capable manager to replace KK, rather than playing the victim card and throwing his toys out of the pram and pushing us further into turmoil. Regarding your question, another Joe Kinnear would have been found or maybe Ashley would have been forced to take responsibility and appoint a capable manager to fully replace KK. Why should I be grateful an unemployed manager accepted a well paying job offer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Slippery Sam Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 Lowest paid manager in the league, isn't he? Indeed he is. He's on f*** all apparently compared to even the second lowest paid manager in the league. What is he on a hiding to nothing. Exactly, Midds. I feel sorry for the bloke. Of course he jumped at the job - who wouldn't have, in his position? The club are in a mess with a dismal squad yet some folk expect nothing other than miracles from him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 Joe Kinnear's salary will also include bonuses should certain conditions be met. As for 10K a week... don't know how they survive. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LucaAltieri Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 Lowest paid manager in the league, isn't he? Indeed he is. He's on f*** all apparently compared to even the second lowest paid manager in the league. What is he on 10k per week apparantly Cant see Brown, Pulis, Adams, Mowbray, Megson or Spragia being on much more How do you know any of that? There was an article floating around a couple of weeks ago. Having trouble finding it at the moment. Kinnear was the lowest paid by a long way if I remember right. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
midds Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 I often wonder where we'd be if he'd turned the job down and Hughton had still been in charge of the first team. Or the owner actually took some responsibility and sought to quickly end supporter tension by appointing a capable manager to replace KK, rather than playing the victim card and throwing his toys out of the pram and pushing us further into turmoil. Regarding your question, another Joe Kinnear would have been found or maybe Ashley would have been forced to take responsibility and appoint a capable manager to fully replace KK. Why should I be grateful an unemployed manager accepted a well paying job offer. Who? Who would have taken the job? Who should Ashley have contacted first? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 There are plenty of threads whinging about Kinnear. Don't give me none of that "have you got any new transfer rumours then" bollocks either, the thread won't run off if we don't constantly keep posting in it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liam Liam Liam O Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 Lowest paid manager in the league, isn't he? Indeed he is. He's on f*** all apparently compared to even the second lowest paid manager in the league. What is he on 10k per week apparantly Cant see Brown, Pulis, Adams, Mowbray, Megson or Spragia being on much more How do you know any of that? There was an article floating around a couple of weeks ago. Having trouble finding it at the moment. Kinnear was the lowest paid by a long way if I remember right. I was referring to him knowing the salaries of so many managers. It'll all be pure speculation anyway, but I agree it's more than likely that Kinnear is near the very bottom of the pile. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 Funny how you were full of praise for Keegan last season even though their records are similar. Like a fly to shit KK was not claiming any kind of achievement much less saying he was proud of his record. As for the results under KK I never praised any of the poor performances or defeats and I was actually critical of some of his decisions. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baggio Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 Scouting report: Kyle Naughton, Sheffield United Sheffield United's Kyle Naughton has the pace, discipline and positioning to become more than an ordinary right-back I killed two birds with one stone here, as I had always wanted to sample the atmosphere of the Steel City derby and took in Kyle Naughton of Sheffield United into the bargain. I certainly wasn't let down by either experience. Naughton, a right-back, was up against a tricky winger in Jermaine Johnson but showed immediately that he had the pace to match him - which is always a comforting thought for a defender. Naughton's game remained reasonably cautious because of the threat posed down his side and rightly so - he was disciplined as his side weathered early pressure. His positioning was good, particularly when he was left facing two players. He did what every good defender does and closed down the man on the ball but made sure not to over-commit himself. As the pass was released he made up ground very quickly and put pressure on the man about to shoot, doing enough to make him hit the ball wide. He did release himself once early on when he came late and fast around the back of everyone for a deep corner which he hit on the volley only for his shot to be blocked. From the resulting throw-in I simply wrote down "Wow" due to the distance he propelled the ball into the Wednesday box. He was also very good at picking players out from these throws which are clearly a potent weapon in United's armoury. On the flipside he did need his right winger to bail him out and when the winger was then beaten he failed to get close enough to pressure the ball. I would have liked to see him being more demanding of the ball from his team-mates but this is understandable in someone so young. He also needs to show the winger down the line when defending in deep areas around his own penalty area as on one occasion an opposing player came inside and shot on goal. But in the main his defending was excellent, such as when he made a brilliantly timed challenge on the run when he not only stopped a dangerous attack but then proceeded to set his own team-mates up for a chance. Three bits of play showed me that this is no ordinary right-back. First, he played the ball inside his opposite full-back with the outside of his foot, brilliantly curling the ball around the man into the path of his team-mate. He then hit a cross-cum-half-volley, also with the outside of his foot, which fizzed across goal, and finally he received the ball just outside the box and flicked the ball to his winger in mid-air - skill you don't associate with a defender. As you would imagine he struck the ball very cleanly - particularly with long diagonal passes which rarely missed their target - and on the odd occasion he used his left foot he looked more than capable. Despite playing just 18 games on loan at Gretna last season and eight so far for Sheffield United, he is clearly getting the hang of things, and as a boyhood Blades fan he has already fulfilled a lifelong ambition shared by so many, playing for the club he supports. However, this is a player who has the talent to set his ambitions far higher. Age 19 Born Sheffield Position Defender Height 5ft 11in Weight 11st 7lb From Youth team Pace 9/10 Attacking 9/10 Passing 9/10 Heading 8/10 Team responsibility 8/10 Valuation £1m http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/blog/2008/oct/28/championship-sheffieldunited Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 I often wonder where we'd be if he'd turned the job down and Hughton had still been in charge of the first team. Or the owner actually took some responsibility and sought to quickly end supporter tension by appointing a capable manager to replace KK, rather than playing the victim card and throwing his toys out of the pram and pushing us further into turmoil. Regarding your question, another Joe Kinnear would have been found or maybe Ashley would have been forced to take responsibility and appoint a capable manager to fully replace KK. Why should I be grateful an unemployed manager accepted a well paying job offer. Who? Who would have taken the job? Who should Ashley have contacted first? Are you genuinely interested in my opinion or do you expect me to answer that as if I should know? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 Getting back to transfer rumours. We were told a few weeks back that we need quality players with Premiership or top level pedigree by Kinnear himself and those kind of players would be the ones he'd be looking at, so why are we being linked with young Championship players? Or is that Wise's list? I think people will be in for a hell of a shock come February 2nd, Kinnear being one of them, like his predecessor in the previous transfer window. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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