NG32 Posted October 30, 2008 Share Posted October 30, 2008 Jonas also has that amazing ability to hold on to the ball which we as a team really lack. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted October 30, 2008 Share Posted October 30, 2008 One thing we shouldn't do is drop Martins to acomodate another midfielder, whichever side Jonas plays on he'll have an impact on our games. Just ask him which he prefers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted October 30, 2008 Share Posted October 30, 2008 Jonas also has that amazing ability to hold on to the ball which we as a team really lack. it's called basic football ability. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NG32 Posted October 30, 2008 Share Posted October 30, 2008 Jonas also has that amazing ability to hold on to the ball which we as a team really lack. it's called basic football ability. I was being sarcastic about he rest of the team Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted October 30, 2008 Share Posted October 30, 2008 Jonas also has that amazing ability to hold on to the ball which we as a team really lack. it's called basic football ability. I was being sarcastic about he rest of the team I know. Sadly it's true though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NG32 Posted October 30, 2008 Share Posted October 30, 2008 Jonas also has that amazing ability to hold on to the ball which we as a team really lack. it's called basic football ability. I was being sarcastic about he rest of the team I know. Sadly it's true though. Very true and sacres he shit out of me, especially the last two matches. Need to be better in midfeild. Much better. If we go a goal or two up against Villa and he decides to sit back again then he must put an extra midfielder on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted October 30, 2008 Share Posted October 30, 2008 Hopefully he uses his web shot to rip off that Sports Direct banner from St James. This made me laugh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skirge Posted October 30, 2008 Share Posted October 30, 2008 Straight down the middle or maybe a free role? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted October 30, 2008 Share Posted October 30, 2008 Straight down the middle or maybe a free role? Or maybe we could play him as a winger, and not out of position Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted October 30, 2008 Share Posted October 30, 2008 Straight down the middle or maybe a free role? Or maybe we could play him as a winger, and not out of position @ people wanting him through the middle. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NG32 Posted October 30, 2008 Share Posted October 30, 2008 Straight down the middle or maybe a free role? Or maybe we could play him as a winger, and not out of position @ people wanting him through the middle. Laugh all you want, But Beye Colo Taylor Duff Barton Guthrie N'Zogbia Jonas Martins Owen Is pretty much our best line up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skirge Posted October 30, 2008 Share Posted October 30, 2008 Straight down the middle or maybe a free role? Or maybe we could play him as a winger, and not out of position @ people wanting him through the middle. I was joking seing as the thread titrle only gave us left or right, but saying that a free role could see him both left & right. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted October 30, 2008 Share Posted October 30, 2008 I say dont restrict him to wings, he seems more effective on the left but just as often he'll be in any of the other positions in midfield and usually doing a crackin job. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted October 30, 2008 Share Posted October 30, 2008 Straight down the middle or maybe a free role? Or maybe we could play him as a winger, and not out of position @ people wanting him through the middle. Laugh all you want, But Beye Colo Taylor Duff Barton Guthrie N'Zogbia Jonas Martins Owen Is pretty much our best line up. It's a line-up with all our best individuals in, but it's not our best line-up. 3-5-2 man? Or am i gonna get whooshed? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NG32 Posted October 30, 2008 Share Posted October 30, 2008 Its the best we have. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted October 30, 2008 Share Posted October 30, 2008 Its the best we have. Do you also believe England should play Lampard & Gerrard together? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NG32 Posted October 30, 2008 Share Posted October 30, 2008 Its the best we have. Do you also believe England should play Lampard & Gerrard together? No. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted October 30, 2008 Share Posted October 30, 2008 Its the best we have. I'm not trying to be arsey, i'd just like to hear your reasoning, why is it the best we have? 3-5-2's always been a recipe for disaster for me. Its a system that relies on wing-backs, and Zog and Duff are just far too powderpuff for that to ever work, imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skirge Posted October 30, 2008 Share Posted October 30, 2008 Thats the best, the rest we make do with. ---------------Given Beye------Colo------?----------? Jonas------?-------Bart--------? ---------Owen-------Oba Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted October 30, 2008 Share Posted October 30, 2008 Its the best we have. Do you also believe England should play Lampard & Gerrard together? No. Then going to 3-4-1-2 just to fit the best 10 outfield players into one team is a very similar thing to playing Gerrard & Lampard together. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted October 30, 2008 Share Posted October 30, 2008 Thats the best, the rest we make do with. ---------------Given Beye------Colo------?----------? Jonas------?-------Bart--------? ---------Owen-------Oba I'd probably go along with that in terms of those mentioned being JFK's "Untouchables" as Mourinho was said. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NG32 Posted October 30, 2008 Share Posted October 30, 2008 Its the best we have. I'm not trying to be arsey, i'd just like to hear your reasoning, why is it the best we have? 3-5-2's always been a recipe for disaster for me. Its a system that relies on wing-backs, and Zog and Duff are just far too powderpuff for that to ever work, imo. I know your not being arsey. My reasoning for the 3-5-2 (JK probs couldn't get it functioning correctly I i'm being honest) The movement on the flanks from Duff and Zog would be fantastic, also giving us loads of width. Joas through the middle as the playmaker/carrying/making killer passes. Barton n Guthrie doing the dirty work. Owen as the finisher and Martins as the raw pace/outlet. I take your point in having to use Duff and Zog to defend as well Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted October 30, 2008 Share Posted October 30, 2008 The team that started the game against West Brom, aside from Micahel Owen, is our best starting eleven imo - and we rightfully looked a class above a team that is higher in the table than us. We'd definitely, without question, be in the Top 8 if Keegan had stayed and none of this turmoil had gone on - i firmly believe that. We've got a very good squad of players. Aye, depth is an issue, but the quality isn't. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NG32 Posted October 30, 2008 Share Posted October 30, 2008 I agree with, if KK was here we would be higher up the league. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted October 30, 2008 Share Posted October 30, 2008 Its the best we have. I'm not trying to be arsey, i'd just like to hear your reasoning, why is it the best we have? 3-5-2's always been a recipe for disaster for me. Its a system that relies on wing-backs, and Zog and Duff are just far too powderpuff for that to ever work, imo. I know your not being arsey. My reasoning for the 3-5-2 (JK probs couldn't get it functioning correctly I i'm being honest) The movement on the flanks from Duff and Zog would be fantastic, also giving us loads of width. Joas through the middle as the playmaker/carrying/making killer passes. Barton n Guthrie doing the dirty work. Owen as the finisher and Martins as the raw pace/outlet. I take your point in having to use Duff and Zog to defend as well I thought Owen represented that role expertly at the back end of last season, aswell as chipping in with plenty of goals. It's the best he's ever played for us, probably; i never actually realised he was such a good passer of the ball, but he was providing two or three killer passes every game. I don't know a lot about Jonas' passing ability yet, but i know that he can play a ball into the box from wide - i've seen it live. Jonas' is main attribute is his pace and ability to drive at players... you need space ahead of you in order to do that (ie, running into the corners when you're on the wing)... stick him in the middle and he doesn't have that space to run into and i reckon his clumsy (unique ) style could see him lose the ball quite a lot. I wouldn't play him straight down the middle, personally, i think it'd be a complete waste of talent - especially when you've got serial non-crossers like Duff and N'Zogbia on the wings instead. With the defense aswell, i think you're just wasting talent by forcing Habib Beye inside. People slate his attacking prowess, but he's never a player to sit back and simply defend. When he's playing with a competent wide-man, he's so much better. He worked well with Jonas last night and he worked well with Geremi down the right during the purple patch last season. I reckon he is probably a good CB, Beye, but a better full-back. Not forgetting, he's got license to use his superb slide-tackling ability when he's at full-back. I appreciate that most of what i've said there is explaining why 4-4-2 is better (rather than '3-5-2 won't work ). But that's where the Duff/Zog defending situation comes in; we'd ship goals for fun relying on them to be wing-backs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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