Guest neesy111 Posted April 28, 2009 Share Posted April 28, 2009 owen has never scored against a top 4 club at newcastle shows you he can't play against good opposition, only scores against the lesser sides He only had 1 shot in all the games he has played against them this year. Played against them 4 times. Cant score if dont get chances. TBH good strikers carve chances for themselves, shearer played with some s**** at this club and still maintained an excellent goal scoring record against the big 4 I was never talking about creating chances for him or others. Was ALWAYS about how clinical he was. I never denied he has alot to his game, but when people speak s*** and outright lie, feel as though have to be called up on it. Its the theme throughout the board exaggerate the shitness of our players ie Jonas now. let's look at the team's owen has scored against this season: bolton, coventry cup, west ham, spurs cup, blackburn pen, stoke twice, wigan, portsmouth, west ham, so where's that 14 goals came from thats 10 goals this season, 2 in the league cup and 1 from a penalty so that's 7 goals from open play in the league this season Included England and its fair as proves relies on service. he hasn't played for england this season erm hang on i don't think he did as he's never scored under capello Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcmk Posted April 28, 2009 Share Posted April 28, 2009 Wayne Rooney - 109 shots, 9 goals. is Owen a better finisher than him, too? Cristiano Ronaldo - 177 shots, 19 goals. Obviously Owen's shooting is far better than Ronaldo's. ffs basing your argument on statistics is IDIOTIC if you have no idea what those stats show or why they show it. In terms of pure finishing Ronaldo is probably the best in the world, the power and accuracy he gets in his shots is perhaps unprecedented. in terms of pure finishing michael owen has absolutely f*** all power and poor to average placement. you have to question why he has taken so few shots - it is because his finishing is not good enough for him to attempt any shot other than those which are put on a plate for him. and even then he misses most of them. and anyway even when he was in his prime his goalscoring was far, far more to do with his positioning, anticipation and movement in the box than about the way his boot hit the ball, which was only ever half-decent back then and is now, having lost the power in his legs, average to poor. What? That post is idiotic. Rooney over 10 shots to 1 goal, thats terrible. I suppose you think stats are rubbish when you look at something like 14 goals in 38 games for example. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcmk Posted April 28, 2009 Share Posted April 28, 2009 owen has never scored against a top 4 club at newcastle shows you he can't play against good opposition, only scores against the lesser sides He only had 1 shot in all the games he has played against them this year. Played against them 4 times. Cant score if dont get chances. TBH good strikers carve chances for themselves, shearer played with some s**** at this club and still maintained an excellent goal scoring record against the big 4 I was never talking about creating chances for him or others. Was ALWAYS about how clinical he was. I never denied he has alot to his game, but when people speak s*** and outright lie, feel as though have to be called up on it. Its the theme throughout the board exaggerate the shitness of our players ie Jonas now. let's look at the team's owen has scored against this season: bolton, coventry cup, west ham, spurs cup, blackburn pen, stoke twice, wigan, portsmouth, west ham, so where's that 14 goals came from thats 10 goals this season, 2 in the league cup and 1 from a penalty so that's 7 goals from open play in the league this season Included England and its fair as proves relies on service. he hasn't played for england this season erm hang on i don't think he did as he's never scored under capello I posted the link somewhere had all 2008/2009 fixtures. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted April 28, 2009 Share Posted April 28, 2009 Wayne Rooney - 109 shots, 9 goals. is Owen a better finisher than him, too? Cristiano Ronaldo - 177 shots, 19 goals. Obviously Owen's shooting is far better than Ronaldo's. ffs basing your argument on statistics is IDIOTIC if you have no idea what those stats show or why they show it. In terms of pure finishing Ronaldo is probably the best in the world, the power and accuracy he gets in his shots is perhaps unprecedented. in terms of pure finishing michael owen has absolutely f*** all power and poor to average placement. you have to question why he has taken so few shots - it is because his finishing is not good enough for him to attempt any shot other than those which are put on a plate for him. and even then he misses most of them. and anyway even when he was in his prime his goalscoring was far, far more to do with his positioning, anticipation and movement in the box than about the way his boot hit the ball, which was only ever half-decent back then and is now, having lost the power in his legs, average to poor. What? That post is idiotic. Rooney 10 shots to 1 goal, thats terrible. I suppose you think stats are rubbish when you look at something like 14 goals in 38 games for example. owen's goal record in the league this season is going to be something like 7 goals in 30 games, that's a shocking statitistic and look at the teams he's scored against Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted April 28, 2009 Share Posted April 28, 2009 Wayne Rooney - 109 shots, 9 goals. is Owen a better finisher than him, too? Cristiano Ronaldo - 177 shots, 19 goals. Obviously Owen's shooting is far better than Ronaldo's. ffs basing your argument on statistics is IDIOTIC if you have no idea what those stats show or why they show it. In terms of pure finishing Ronaldo is probably the best in the world, the power and accuracy he gets in his shots is perhaps unprecedented. in terms of pure finishing michael owen has absolutely f*** all power and poor to average placement. you have to question why he has taken so few shots - it is because his finishing is not good enough for him to attempt any shot other than those which are put on a plate for him. and even then he misses most of them. and anyway even when he was in his prime his goalscoring was far, far more to do with his positioning, anticipation and movement in the box than about the way his boot hit the ball, which was only ever half-decent back then and is now, having lost the power in his legs, average to poor. In this whole league, just think about every team in this league right, even the very worst of them ... is there any striker who is so reliant on service that he never ever even has an attempt on goal unless he is handed a chance in the box? The current Owen is a dinosaur of the game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcmk Posted April 28, 2009 Share Posted April 28, 2009 Wayne Rooney - 109 shots, 9 goals. is Owen a better finisher than him, too? Cristiano Ronaldo - 177 shots, 19 goals. Obviously Owen's shooting is far better than Ronaldo's. ffs basing your argument on statistics is IDIOTIC if you have no idea what those stats show or why they show it. In terms of pure finishing Ronaldo is probably the best in the world, the power and accuracy he gets in his shots is perhaps unprecedented. in terms of pure finishing michael owen has absolutely f*** all power and poor to average placement. you have to question why he has taken so few shots - it is because his finishing is not good enough for him to attempt any shot other than those which are put on a plate for him. and even then he misses most of them. and anyway even when he was in his prime his goalscoring was far, far more to do with his positioning, anticipation and movement in the box than about the way his boot hit the ball, which was only ever half-decent back then and is now, having lost the power in his legs, average to poor. What? That post is idiotic. Rooney 10 shots to 1 goal, thats terrible. I suppose you think stats are rubbish when you look at something like 14 goals in 38 games for example. owen's goal record in the league this season is going to be something like 7 goals in 30 games, that's a shocking statitistic and look at the teams he's scored against He has score 10 or 11, and dont think he has played 30 games for us this year. How many were sub appearances. I been proving to you, with stats, links everything. Given a chance will put it away more than most in the league, proved that with the supposedly 'light years ahead with finishing' van Persie/Adebayor records for the year. What are you arguing? Put Micheal Owen in a team create chances for him - he aint had many. He has had 50, van Persie 180 shots. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted April 28, 2009 Share Posted April 28, 2009 Wayne Rooney - 109 shots, 9 goals. is Owen a better finisher than him, too? Cristiano Ronaldo - 177 shots, 19 goals. Obviously Owen's shooting is far better than Ronaldo's. ffs basing your argument on statistics is IDIOTIC if you have no idea what those stats show or why they show it. In terms of pure finishing Ronaldo is probably the best in the world, the power and accuracy he gets in his shots is perhaps unprecedented. in terms of pure finishing michael owen has absolutely f*** all power and poor to average placement. you have to question why he has taken so few shots - it is because his finishing is not good enough for him to attempt any shot other than those which are put on a plate for him. and even then he misses most of them. and anyway even when he was in his prime his goalscoring was far, far more to do with his positioning, anticipation and movement in the box than about the way his boot hit the ball, which was only ever half-decent back then and is now, having lost the power in his legs, average to poor. In this whole league, just think about every team in this league right, even the very worst of them ... is there any striker who is so reliant on service that he never ever even has an attempt on goal unless he is handed a chance in the box? The current Owen is a dinosaur of the game. rooney does miss a lot of chances, but he's makes shit loads of goals though for his team m8's and it's his influence on the team the fact is owen, hasn't even been getting chances as he can't make them for himself or can't get in the positions as he's soo slow Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted April 28, 2009 Share Posted April 28, 2009 Wayne Rooney - 109 shots, 9 goals. is Owen a better finisher than him, too? Cristiano Ronaldo - 177 shots, 19 goals. Obviously Owen's shooting is far better than Ronaldo's. ffs basing your argument on statistics is IDIOTIC if you have no idea what those stats show or why they show it. In terms of pure finishing Ronaldo is probably the best in the world, the power and accuracy he gets in his shots is perhaps unprecedented. in terms of pure finishing michael owen has absolutely f*** all power and poor to average placement. you have to question why he has taken so few shots - it is because his finishing is not good enough for him to attempt any shot other than those which are put on a plate for him. and even then he misses most of them. and anyway even when he was in his prime his goalscoring was far, far more to do with his positioning, anticipation and movement in the box than about the way his boot hit the ball, which was only ever half-decent back then and is now, having lost the power in his legs, average to poor. What? That post is idiotic. Rooney 10 shots to 1 goal, thats terrible. I suppose you think stats are rubbish when you look at something like 14 goals in 38 games for example. owen's goal record in the league this season is going to be something like 7 goals in 30 games, that's a shocking statitistic and look at the teams he's scored against He has score 10 or 11, and dont think he has played 30 games for us this year. How many were sub appearances. I been proving to you, with stats, links everything. Given a chance will put it away more than most in the league, proved that with the supposedly 'light years ahead with finishing' van Persie/Adebayor records for the year. What are you arguing? Put Micheal Owen in a team create chances for him - he aint had many. He has had 50, van Persie 180 shots. no, we talking league goals and that number is 7 from open play, (penalty's not included) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted April 28, 2009 Share Posted April 28, 2009 your argument is flaud :lol: Sorry. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcmk Posted April 28, 2009 Share Posted April 28, 2009 Wayne Rooney - 109 shots, 9 goals. is Owen a better finisher than him, too? Cristiano Ronaldo - 177 shots, 19 goals. Obviously Owen's shooting is far better than Ronaldo's. ffs basing your argument on statistics is IDIOTIC if you have no idea what those stats show or why they show it. In terms of pure finishing Ronaldo is probably the best in the world, the power and accuracy he gets in his shots is perhaps unprecedented. in terms of pure finishing michael owen has absolutely f*** all power and poor to average placement. you have to question why he has taken so few shots - it is because his finishing is not good enough for him to attempt any shot other than those which are put on a plate for him. and even then he misses most of them. and anyway even when he was in his prime his goalscoring was far, far more to do with his positioning, anticipation and movement in the box than about the way his boot hit the ball, which was only ever half-decent back then and is now, having lost the power in his legs, average to poor. In this whole league, just think about every team in this league right, even the very worst of them ... is there any striker who is so reliant on service that he never ever even has an attempt on goal unless he is handed a chance in the box? The current Owen is a dinosaur of the game. rooney does miss a lot of chances, but he's makes s*** loads of goals though for his team m8's and it's his influence on the team the fact is owen, hasn't even been getting chances as he can't make them for himself or can't get in the positions as he's soo slow I wasnt argueing this point. Look at how the discussion started. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted April 28, 2009 Share Posted April 28, 2009 Wayne Rooney - 109 shots, 9 goals. is Owen a better finisher than him, too? Cristiano Ronaldo - 177 shots, 19 goals. Obviously Owen's shooting is far better than Ronaldo's. ffs basing your argument on statistics is IDIOTIC if you have no idea what those stats show or why they show it. In terms of pure finishing Ronaldo is probably the best in the world, the power and accuracy he gets in his shots is perhaps unprecedented. in terms of pure finishing michael owen has absolutely f*** all power and poor to average placement. you have to question why he has taken so few shots - it is because his finishing is not good enough for him to attempt any shot other than those which are put on a plate for him. and even then he misses most of them. and anyway even when he was in his prime his goalscoring was far, far more to do with his positioning, anticipation and movement in the box than about the way his boot hit the ball, which was only ever half-decent back then and is now, having lost the power in his legs, average to poor. What? That post is idiotic. Rooney 10 shots to 1 goal, thats terrible. I suppose you think stats are rubbish when you look at something like 14 goals in 38 games for example. owen's goal record in the league this season is going to be something like 7 goals in 30 games, that's a shocking statitistic and look at the teams he's scored against He has score 10 or 11, and dont think he has played 30 games for us this year. How many were sub appearances. I been proving to you, with stats, links everything. Given a chance will put it away more than most in the league, proved that with the supposedly 'light years ahead with finishing' van Persie/Adebayor records for the year. What are you arguing? Put Micheal Owen in a team create chances for him - he aint had many. He has had 50, van Persie 180 shots. I love your passion dude but it's badly misplaced. You will find that in general the best strikers and goal scorers take a hell of a lot of shots and miss a hell of a lot also but ultimately score the most. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcmk Posted April 28, 2009 Share Posted April 28, 2009 Wayne Rooney - 109 shots, 9 goals. is Owen a better finisher than him, too? Cristiano Ronaldo - 177 shots, 19 goals. Obviously Owen's shooting is far better than Ronaldo's. ffs basing your argument on statistics is IDIOTIC if you have no idea what those stats show or why they show it. In terms of pure finishing Ronaldo is probably the best in the world, the power and accuracy he gets in his shots is perhaps unprecedented. in terms of pure finishing michael owen has absolutely f*** all power and poor to average placement. you have to question why he has taken so few shots - it is because his finishing is not good enough for him to attempt any shot other than those which are put on a plate for him. and even then he misses most of them. and anyway even when he was in his prime his goalscoring was far, far more to do with his positioning, anticipation and movement in the box than about the way his boot hit the ball, which was only ever half-decent back then and is now, having lost the power in his legs, average to poor. What? That post is idiotic. Rooney 10 shots to 1 goal, thats terrible. I suppose you think stats are rubbish when you look at something like 14 goals in 38 games for example. owen's goal record in the league this season is going to be something like 7 goals in 30 games, that's a shocking statitistic and look at the teams he's scored against He has score 10 or 11, and dont think he has played 30 games for us this year. How many were sub appearances. I been proving to you, with stats, links everything. Given a chance will put it away more than most in the league, proved that with the supposedly 'light years ahead with finishing' van Persie/Adebayor records for the year. What are you arguing? Put Micheal Owen in a team create chances for him - he aint had many. He has had 50, van Persie 180 shots. no, we talking league goals and that number is 7 from open play, (penalty's not included) Talking league goals, ok from what i counted in league games this year had 26 shots in total. What is wrong with that? Pretty good asking me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcmk Posted April 28, 2009 Share Posted April 28, 2009 Wayne Rooney - 109 shots, 9 goals. is Owen a better finisher than him, too? Cristiano Ronaldo - 177 shots, 19 goals. Obviously Owen's shooting is far better than Ronaldo's. ffs basing your argument on statistics is IDIOTIC if you have no idea what those stats show or why they show it. In terms of pure finishing Ronaldo is probably the best in the world, the power and accuracy he gets in his shots is perhaps unprecedented. in terms of pure finishing michael owen has absolutely f*** all power and poor to average placement. you have to question why he has taken so few shots - it is because his finishing is not good enough for him to attempt any shot other than those which are put on a plate for him. and even then he misses most of them. and anyway even when he was in his prime his goalscoring was far, far more to do with his positioning, anticipation and movement in the box than about the way his boot hit the ball, which was only ever half-decent back then and is now, having lost the power in his legs, average to poor. What? That post is idiotic. Rooney 10 shots to 1 goal, thats terrible. I suppose you think stats are rubbish when you look at something like 14 goals in 38 games for example. owen's goal record in the league this season is going to be something like 7 goals in 30 games, that's a shocking statitistic and look at the teams he's scored against He has score 10 or 11, and dont think he has played 30 games for us this year. How many were sub appearances. I been proving to you, with stats, links everything. Given a chance will put it away more than most in the league, proved that with the supposedly 'light years ahead with finishing' van Persie/Adebayor records for the year. What are you arguing? Put Micheal Owen in a team create chances for him - he aint had many. He has had 50, van Persie 180 shots. I love your passion dude but it's badly misplaced. You will find that in general the best strikers and goal scorers take a hell of a lot of shots and miss a hell of a lot also but ultimately score the most. FFS it all started with you! You said Arsenal dont need someone like Owen in the side, when in fact they dont have a striker in the 6 yard box, they miss a fuckload of chances, they draw 0-0 when dominate games soo many times recent seasons, have lost games they dominated. Then you said outright lie that van Persie, Adebayor, BENDTNER, DIABY was more clinical as a striker. When proving they miss a "HELL OF A LOT" (your words) and Owen does in fact score more from LESS chances he gets. You try to shift it onto general play. I was only arguing about the word you used 'finishing'. Owen finishes more chances. Fact. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted April 28, 2009 Share Posted April 28, 2009 Shearer needs to take Owen to the side and spell it out to him. "Look mate, this side is utter crap and there is no point waiting on them to create chances for you, you have to find a way to get more shots on goal in and be more of a goal threat" Put more of an onus on Owen because in this side this is the kind of mindset he needs to have. I think it has been a mistake all the constant talk about needing to create more chances for Owen. Although this is obviously the case, the striker also has to be encouraged to go out of his way to make things happen also. Owen needs to take more responsibility. he's been given an easy out with all this not enough chances stuff. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcmk Posted April 28, 2009 Share Posted April 28, 2009 Wayne Rooney - 109 shots, 9 goals. is Owen a better finisher than him, too? Cristiano Ronaldo - 177 shots, 19 goals. Obviously Owen's shooting is far better than Ronaldo's. ffs basing your argument on statistics is IDIOTIC if you have no idea what those stats show or why they show it. In terms of pure finishing Ronaldo is probably the best in the world, the power and accuracy he gets in his shots is perhaps unprecedented. in terms of pure finishing michael owen has absolutely f*** all power and poor to average placement. you have to question why he has taken so few shots - it is because his finishing is not good enough for him to attempt any shot other than those which are put on a plate for him. and even then he misses most of them. and anyway even when he was in his prime his goalscoring was far, far more to do with his positioning, anticipation and movement in the box than about the way his boot hit the ball, which was only ever half-decent back then and is now, having lost the power in his legs, average to poor. What? That post is idiotic. Rooney 10 shots to 1 goal, thats terrible. I suppose you think stats are rubbish when you look at something like 14 goals in 38 games for example. owen's goal record in the league this season is going to be something like 7 goals in 30 games, that's a shocking statitistic and look at the teams he's scored against He has score 10 or 11, and dont think he has played 30 games for us this year. How many were sub appearances. I been proving to you, with stats, links everything. Given a chance will put it away more than most in the league, proved that with the supposedly 'light years ahead with finishing' van Persie/Adebayor records for the year. What are you arguing? Put Micheal Owen in a team create chances for him - he aint had many. He has had 50, van Persie 180 shots. I love your passion dude but it's badly misplaced. You will find that in general the best strikers and goal scorers take a hell of a lot of shots and miss a hell of a lot also but ultimately score the most. If Owen started every game for Man Utd this year, would he be amongst the top goal scorers? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayson Posted April 28, 2009 Share Posted April 28, 2009 No idea what the general arguments are here...but dont think we can blame Owen for much yesterday. Even the best strikers are going to struggle when they havent had a goalscoring opportunitys for endless games...hard to expect them to suddenly put in the 1 chance theyve had in the last 12 games theyve played. He was probably suprised to even have a chance, let alone the pressure that goes with that. The same for Martins tbh.. They're just desperate to score & not showing the same composure as they usually could. To much pressure, they just gotta handle it. The more chances we give them the more likely theyll be to achieve that, it isnt really about ability at this point. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted April 28, 2009 Share Posted April 28, 2009 Wayne Rooney - 109 shots, 9 goals. is Owen a better finisher than him, too? Cristiano Ronaldo - 177 shots, 19 goals. Obviously Owen's shooting is far better than Ronaldo's. ffs basing your argument on statistics is IDIOTIC if you have no idea what those stats show or why they show it. In terms of pure finishing Ronaldo is probably the best in the world, the power and accuracy he gets in his shots is perhaps unprecedented. in terms of pure finishing michael owen has absolutely f*** all power and poor to average placement. you have to question why he has taken so few shots - it is because his finishing is not good enough for him to attempt any shot other than those which are put on a plate for him. and even then he misses most of them. and anyway even when he was in his prime his goalscoring was far, far more to do with his positioning, anticipation and movement in the box than about the way his boot hit the ball, which was only ever half-decent back then and is now, having lost the power in his legs, average to poor. What? That post is idiotic. Rooney 10 shots to 1 goal, thats terrible. I suppose you think stats are rubbish when you look at something like 14 goals in 38 games for example. owen's goal record in the league this season is going to be something like 7 goals in 30 games, that's a shocking statitistic and look at the teams he's scored against He has score 10 or 11, and dont think he has played 30 games for us this year. How many were sub appearances. I been proving to you, with stats, links everything. Given a chance will put it away more than most in the league, proved that with the supposedly 'light years ahead with finishing' van Persie/Adebayor records for the year. What are you arguing? Put Micheal Owen in a team create chances for him - he aint had many. He has had 50, van Persie 180 shots. I love your passion dude but it's badly misplaced. You will find that in general the best strikers and goal scorers take a hell of a lot of shots and miss a hell of a lot also but ultimately score the most. FFS it all started with you! You said Arsenal dont need someone like Owen in the side, when in fact they dont have a striker in the 6 yard box, they miss a fuckload of chances, they draw 0-0 when dominate games soo many times recent seasons, have lost games they dominated. Then you said outright lie that van Persie, Adebayor, BENDTNER, DIABY was more clinical as a striker. When proving they miss a "HELL OF A LOT" (your words) and Owen does in fact score more from LESS chances he gets. You try to shift it onto general play. I was only arguing about the word you used 'finishing'. Owen finishes more chances. Fact. Okay lets stick strictly to clinical finishing. Everytime Owen misses he misses from 5 yards out when he is one on one with the goalie. These are the only times he shoots. When the Arsenal strikers miss chances they miss from 30 yards, 20 yards 10 yards etc however they test the goalie and force saves also and they also occassionally score from these distances too. If these strikers also only limited themselves to waiting in the box to score from 5 yards and nothing else (like Owen does!) then they would score with a much better ratio than Owen. Do you understand? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted April 28, 2009 Share Posted April 28, 2009 No idea what the general arguments are here...but dont think we can blame Owen for much yesterday. Even the best strikers are going to struggle when they havent had a goalscoring opportunitys for endless games...hard to expect them to suddenly put in the 1 chance theyve had in the last 12 games theyve played. He was probably suprised to even have a chance, let alone the pressure that goes with that. The same for Martins tbh.. They're just desperate to score & not showing the same composure as they usually could. To much pressure, they just gotta handle it. The more chances we give them the more likely theyll be to achieve that, it isnt really about ability at this point. You what? You've been saying for weeks that we need to stick by him because he's the one who's going to put that chance away. Now he fucks it up and it's alright because he's not scored in a while? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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dcmk Posted April 28, 2009 Share Posted April 28, 2009 Wayne Rooney - 109 shots, 9 goals. is Owen a better finisher than him, too? Cristiano Ronaldo - 177 shots, 19 goals. Obviously Owen's shooting is far better than Ronaldo's. ffs basing your argument on statistics is IDIOTIC if you have no idea what those stats show or why they show it. In terms of pure finishing Ronaldo is probably the best in the world, the power and accuracy he gets in his shots is perhaps unprecedented. in terms of pure finishing michael owen has absolutely f*** all power and poor to average placement. you have to question why he has taken so few shots - it is because his finishing is not good enough for him to attempt any shot other than those which are put on a plate for him. and even then he misses most of them. and anyway even when he was in his prime his goalscoring was far, far more to do with his positioning, anticipation and movement in the box than about the way his boot hit the ball, which was only ever half-decent back then and is now, having lost the power in his legs, average to poor. What? That post is idiotic. Rooney 10 shots to 1 goal, thats terrible. I suppose you think stats are rubbish when you look at something like 14 goals in 38 games for example. owen's goal record in the league this season is going to be something like 7 goals in 30 games, that's a shocking statitistic and look at the teams he's scored against He has score 10 or 11, and dont think he has played 30 games for us this year. How many were sub appearances. I been proving to you, with stats, links everything. Given a chance will put it away more than most in the league, proved that with the supposedly 'light years ahead with finishing' van Persie/Adebayor records for the year. What are you arguing? Put Micheal Owen in a team create chances for him - he aint had many. He has had 50, van Persie 180 shots. I love your passion dude but it's badly misplaced. You will find that in general the best strikers and goal scorers take a hell of a lot of shots and miss a hell of a lot also but ultimately score the most. FFS it all started with you! You said Arsenal dont need someone like Owen in the side, when in fact they dont have a striker in the 6 yard box, they miss a fuckload of chances, they draw 0-0 when dominate games soo many times recent seasons, have lost games they dominated. Then you said outright lie that van Persie, Adebayor, BENDTNER, DIABY was more clinical as a striker. When proving they miss a "HELL OF A LOT" (your words) and Owen does in fact score more from LESS chances he gets. You try to shift it onto general play. I was only arguing about the word you used 'finishing'. Owen finishes more chances. Fact. Okay lets stick strictly to clinical finishing. Everytime Owen misses he misses from 5 yards out when he is one on one with the goalie. These are the only times he shoots. When the Arsenal strikers miss chances they miss from 30 yards, 20 yards 10 yards etc however they test the goalie and force saves also and they also occassionally score from these distances too. If these strikers also only limited themselves to waiting in the box to score from 5 yards and nothing else (like Owen does!) then they would score with a much better ratio than Owen. Do you understand? Seriously your annoying the piss out of me. How many times can i say it! Owen is a different kind of striker to them. He IS in the 6 yard box when they cross into the box and no one is ever there. Your right they shoot from everywhere. He has intelligence, off the ball movement in the penalty area. Knows where the goal is, scores 1 in every 2 games his whole career. Given the chance he will score. How many games have Arsenal dominated and barely scored as tried walk it into the net. Over the last seasons. Lots! You said Owen would be a boot cleaner at Arsenal, well imo as they create so many chances = He will be an ASSET to them. He thrives on service Understand? How it started. he could do a very decent job at arsenal. they've needed a striker like him for a while now. An unbelievable statement! Eduardo is everything Owen was and more. Adebayor, Van Persie, Carlos Vela and even Bendtner are far more useful. The likes of Arshavin, Nasri and even Diaby can play as second strikers also. Unless they are looking for a boot cleaner Owen need not apply. Arsenal create chances left, right and center. How many times have ALL the players you have listed tried to walk into into the net and either draw or not even score at all! Owen would be a great addition, imo more clinical than all those strikers, certainly more intelligent. A crap side, and a forward who relies on service isnt going to make him look good. A good side + confidence and his ability in front of goal, great match-up for him. Jeeeeeeeeeeeesus Lord please have mercy on this man for the blasphemy he has spoketh! Owen more clinical than who? What football do you watch? Are you seriously joking? Owen whose shots generate less power than a newborn's would? Owen who cannot shoot from outside the box? Owen who cannot shoot with his left foot? Who can no longer go past anyone? Who can no longer finish one on one with the goalie? Owen is now a midget striker who occassionally scores headers from 5 yards or less or tap ins from 5 yards from less. 95% of his goals come this way. Outside of these he does absolutely nothing else in general play. How dare you compare this player to Eduardo, Adebayor, Van Persie, Arshavin, Vela etc. How dare you man! I am flabbergasted. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted April 28, 2009 Share Posted April 28, 2009 Seriously your annoying the piss out of me. How many times can i say it! Owen is a different kind of striker to them. He IS in the 6 yard box when they cross into the box and no one is ever there. Your right they shoot from everywhere. He has intelligence, off the ball movement in the penalty area. Knows where the goal is, scores 1 in every 2 games his whole career. Given the chance he will score. How many games have Arsenal dominated and barely scored as tried walk it into the net. Over the last seasons. Lots! You said Owen would be a boot cleaner at Arsenal, well imo as they create so many chances = He will be an ASSET to them. He thrives on service Understand? So you don't understand then? And you know what that's okay. You are entitled not to. I will end with this ... it is not intelligent to only attempt shots inside the box if you claim to be a top striker. It is down right incompetent and quite moronic. Particularly in a team that will hardly ever provide these opportunities. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcmk Posted April 28, 2009 Share Posted April 28, 2009 Kaka do you think finishing is 30 yard shots? Imo its composure, technique, awareness, intelligence, ball control. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted April 28, 2009 Share Posted April 28, 2009 Owen is a decent player, he's just not what we need right now as he offers little to the cause. Take Viduka, he's big and strong, he'll hold the ball and bring other players into play. Martins is quick and good in the air he frightens defenders if nothing else. If I was a defender playing Owen at the minute I'd be rubbing my hands together. Owen's game is about movement. He's the man who's always in the right place at the right time to tap in the easy chance. He isn't physically strong or quick, but he's good at what he does. In a team like Stoke where the ball is constantly in play in the box he'd thrive. Crosses, long balls, second balls he'd have a field day, sooner or later he'd get on the end of one of them. The problem with Owen now is he's lost some of his sharpness probably due the immense amount of injuries he's suffered. This means if he's getting regular service he'll get you a goal but he'll probably waste two or three good goal scoring chances. This is the problem for Newcastle. Because our midfield has zero creativity the strikers get very few chances so they have to create their own. Both Viduka and Martins have the physical attributes to do this but Owen doesn't. So when the gold nugget of a cross finally falls out the midfields arse he's been spaffing it away. Another problem is because the crap-tastic midfield sit so deep and provide no service for the strikers they are forced to drop deep. You see Martins and Owen do this reguarly. Now where as Martins has a bit of pace and can take someone from deep Owen can't. His only real attribute is his movement in the box, if he isn't in the box what good is he doing? At the end of the day Owen's goal scoring problems arise from poor service and a lack of self sufficiency. He's a good player if you have a creative midfield but we don't. Add this to the fact that he's fluffing the rare chances he is getting and he's nothing more than a one dimensional passenger who contributes little to the team, one who'd I'd drop at this moment in time (even if it would boil piss paying him the money he is on to sit on the bench). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcmk Posted April 28, 2009 Share Posted April 28, 2009 Seriously your annoying the piss out of me. How many times can i say it! Owen is a different kind of striker to them. He IS in the 6 yard box when they cross into the box and no one is ever there. Your right they shoot from everywhere. He has intelligence, off the ball movement in the penalty area. Knows where the goal is, scores 1 in every 2 games his whole career. Given the chance he will score. How many games have Arsenal dominated and barely scored as tried walk it into the net. Over the last seasons. Lots! You said Owen would be a boot cleaner at Arsenal, well imo as they create so many chances = He will be an ASSET to them. He thrives on service Understand? So you don't understand then? And you know what that's okay. You are entitled not to. I will end with this ... it is not intelligent to only attempt shots inside the box if you claim to be a top striker. It is down right incompetent and quite moronic. Particularly in a team that will hardly ever provide these opportunities. Your the guy who said we 'blatantly' had 2 players signed on transfer day, hiding them from the camera's. You made a joke out of yourself that day too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted April 28, 2009 Share Posted April 28, 2009 Kaka do you think finishing is 30 yard shots? Imo its composure, technique, awareness, intelligence, ball control. A top finisher is someone who can put the ball in the back of the net in a variety of ways. The more ways a player is able to do this consistently the more dangerous they are and the more of an accomplished striker this person is. Perfect example Alan Shearer. Owen right now is only capable of occassionally putting away chances in the box. Not a top finisher. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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