Guest Heneage Posted May 25, 2009 Share Posted May 25, 2009 This club doesn't feel like the one I began supporting anymore, I'd have seen the day I'd have been crushed at us going down. I was arguably more bothered when Juventus got demoted. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
afar Posted May 25, 2009 Share Posted May 25, 2009 Owen's on £110,000 a week, Viduka £60,000, Barton £64,000, Cacapa £30,000, Martins £50,000, Smith £60,000, Coloccini £50,000, GEREMI £60,000 a week! Might get stuck with him, Gonzalez £25,000. In my opinion they are the ones that will definitely go, which would be a saving of around £27 million a year. If Duff won't take a massive wage cut to stay, he'll go, he's on £70k (£3m a year), Lovenkrands should be offered a new contract now we've gone down. Enrique and Beye could stay, although I doubt it. We'll save £80k a week with them gone and probably get £4m for the pair. Should get around £4m for Gutierrez and Coloccini (each). Smith will go to someone like Everton or Wigan, hopefully sold for £2-3m. I'd still want him at the club on less money, he's a good player. Martins will go Spain or Italy. Balague (Sky Sports Spain correspondent) reckons he'll go Atletico for £8m. Xisco has potential IF he can get fit over the summer but £30k a week is a lot. If not back to Spain for him as well, probably for about £2m. There's a lot of money to be saved and some to be made. We're a massive club which has adapted and based itself around paying ridiculous wages. We're going to lose £30m in TV money, more than half of which should be recovered in sales. We can bring in some proven Championship players and possibly even get young, hungry Prem players who expect us to bounce back up. This relegation could be the best thing that ever happened to us. Where are you getting all these salaries from, heresay or is there an actual source ? I worked it out before if we work the loss of 45million for the TV money, this is guess work but probably another 5 million or so in advertising revenue and 10 million in gate recepts/match day income and merchandising. Then we look at a loss of 60million in revenue. Now according to the beeb we'll get 11 Million in parachute payment, it's not clear from there piece if that's per year or over two years. I'll assume it's per year and we get a paltry 1million in TV money. So if my guesstimates are correct, we need to find 48million in savings just to get back to where Llambias said we would be losing about 7million this year ! That's a hell of a lot of money. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colocho Posted May 25, 2009 Share Posted May 25, 2009 The figures for wages aren't fact, it's just what I've gathered from papers, internet and heard. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted May 25, 2009 Share Posted May 25, 2009 The figures for wages aren't fact, it's just what I've gathered from papers, internet and heard. using guesstimates,which is all we really have to go on we could easily cull £500,000 per week from the wage bill just by getting shot of the wasters. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
afar Posted May 25, 2009 Share Posted May 25, 2009 The figures for wages aren't fact, it's just what I've gathered from papers, internet and heard. using guesstimates,which is all we really have to go on we could easily cull £500,000 per week from the wage bill just by getting shot of the wasters. That would still only equate to 26 million, then we've got to replace those players, if we assume that the money brought in from sales is used on replacements, there's still signing on fees and wages for the replacements to factor in. It's just really starting to hit how financially hard this is gonna hit us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GM Posted May 25, 2009 Share Posted May 25, 2009 The figures for wages aren't fact, it's just what I've gathered from papers, internet and heard. using guesstimates,which is all we really have to go on we could easily cull £500,000 per week from the wage bill just by getting shot of the wasters. Setanta Sports yesterday were saying our annual wage bill was £65million? Is that right? 5th biggest wage bill in UK/Europe? I didn't quite catch it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted May 25, 2009 Share Posted May 25, 2009 The figures for wages aren't fact, it's just what I've gathered from papers, internet and heard. using guesstimates,which is all we really have to go on we could easily cull £500,000 per week from the wage bill just by getting shot of the wasters. Setanta Sports yesterday were saying our annual wage bill was £65million? Is that right? 5th biggest wage bill in UK/Europe? I didn't quite catch it. if not spot on it won't be a kick in the arse off. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted May 25, 2009 Share Posted May 25, 2009 Fucking hate the word guesstimate, especially when it means exactly the same thing as estimate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted May 25, 2009 Share Posted May 25, 2009 f***ing hate the word guesstimate, especially when it means exactly the same thing as estimate. good! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
afar Posted May 25, 2009 Share Posted May 25, 2009 f***ing hate the word guesstimate, especially when it means exactly the same thing as estimate. wow thanks for that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 25, 2009 Share Posted May 25, 2009 Was just looking there, and we actually lost the same number of games this season as Man City. One team went down, the other just missed out on Europe. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH Posted May 25, 2009 Share Posted May 25, 2009 Was just looking there, and we actually lost the same number of games this season as Man City. One team went down, the other just missed out on Europe. 11. Stoke City 17 12. Portsmouth 17 13. Blackburn Rovers 17 14. Newcastle United 18 15. Manchester City 18 16. Bolton Wanderers 19 17. Hull City 19 --------------------------------- 18. Sunderland 20 19. Middlesbrough 20 20. West Bromwich Albion 22 Based on defeats. All but highlights how many games we drew under JK. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlito Posted May 25, 2009 Share Posted May 25, 2009 Faye's equaliser Bramble's equaliser Viduka's disallowed goal Ireland's equaliser A good potential 7 points there if we weren't so shite in the last 5 minutes. That could have seen us about 13th or 14th which would have been the average finish for us. Spilled milk though and all that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colocho Posted May 25, 2009 Share Posted May 25, 2009 Faye and Bramble were both excellent this season, defensive coaching is clearly something which is inherently wrong at our club Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ikri Posted May 25, 2009 Share Posted May 25, 2009 Faye and Bramble were both excellent this season, defensive coaching is clearly something which is inherently wrong at our club Alternatively it could be that we've not had a solid midfield in 5 years & end up inviting pressure on our defence leading to more & more last ditch tackles, etc. When a striker makes a mistake it doesn't usually get punished too badly, but when a defender makes an error it usually leads to an opposing player being put through on goal. You can get away sometimes, but constant pressure means more potential mistakes and when you have players like Titus did I leave the iron on? Bramble in your defence those mistakes get magnified more often. Bramble has looked alright this season because he's not been put under that pressure since the Wigan midfield has been capable of keeping hold of the ball when required and offering an outlet when necessary. He's still made the same mistakes, it just hasn't happened as often. How often this season did our defenders clear the ball to the midfield only to see it fly right back at our defence because the midfield wasn't there? Too often our players were sitting so deeply they could be classed as defenders or alternatively they'd find a warm spot on the pitch and stay there despite being marked by a defender twice their size. It's why Jonas was important to the team this season, he was actually capable of running with the ball and alleviating pressure, it would have worked better if the rest of the midfield had thought about trying to keep up with him to offer an outlet for him when he got into trouble, but too often they were still wandering around the centre of defence 50 yards away from the ball. It winds me up no end when the media go on about our frail defence. It isn't really that bad, the problem is in the midfield and has been in the midfield since Speed left. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChezGiven Posted May 25, 2009 Share Posted May 25, 2009 Faye and Bramble were both excellent this season, defensive coaching is clearly something which is inherently wrong at our club Alternatively it could be that we've not had a solid midfield in 5 years & end up inviting pressure on our defence leading to more & more last ditch tackles, etc. When a striker makes a mistake it doesn't usually get punished too badly, but when a defender makes an error it usually leads to an opposing player being put through on goal. You can get away sometimes, but constant pressure means more potential mistakes and when you have players like Titus did I leave the iron on? Bramble in your defence those mistakes get magnified more often. Bramble has looked alright this season because he's not been put under that pressure since the Wigan midfield has been capable of keeping hold of the ball when required and offering an outlet when necessary. He's still made the same mistakes, it just hasn't happened as often. How often this season did our defenders clear the ball to the midfield only to see it fly right back at our defence because the midfield wasn't there? Too often our players were sitting so deeply they could be classed as defenders or alternatively they'd find a warm spot on the pitch and stay there despite being marked by a defender twice their size. It's why Jonas was important to the team this season, he was actually capable of running with the ball and alleviating pressure, it would have worked better if the rest of the midfield had thought about trying to keep up with him to offer an outlet for him when he got into trouble, but too often they were still wandering around the centre of defence 50 yards away from the ball. It winds me up no end when the media go on about our frail defence. It isn't really that bad, the problem is in the midfield and has been in the midfield since Speed left. Couldnt agree more, especially the point about Jonas. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted May 25, 2009 Share Posted May 25, 2009 Faye and Bramble were both excellent this season, defensive coaching is clearly something which is inherently wrong at our club Alternatively it could be that we've not had a solid midfield in 5 years & end up inviting pressure on our defence leading to more & more last ditch tackles, etc. When a striker makes a mistake it doesn't usually get punished too badly, but when a defender makes an error it usually leads to an opposing player being put through on goal. You can get away sometimes, but constant pressure means more potential mistakes and when you have players like Titus did I leave the iron on? Bramble in your defence those mistakes get magnified more often. Bramble has looked alright this season because he's not been put under that pressure since the Wigan midfield has been capable of keeping hold of the ball when required and offering an outlet when necessary. He's still made the same mistakes, it just hasn't happened as often. How often this season did our defenders clear the ball to the midfield only to see it fly right back at our defence because the midfield wasn't there? Too often our players were sitting so deeply they could be classed as defenders or alternatively they'd find a warm spot on the pitch and stay there despite being marked by a defender twice their size. It's why Jonas was important to the team this season, he was actually capable of running with the ball and alleviating pressure, it would have worked better if the rest of the midfield had thought about trying to keep up with him to offer an outlet for him when he got into trouble, but too often they were still wandering around the centre of defence 50 yards away from the ball. It winds me up no end when the media go on about our frail defence. It isn't really that bad, the problem is in the midfield and has been in the midfield since Speed left. Abso-fucking-exactly! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colocho Posted May 25, 2009 Share Posted May 25, 2009 Coloccini and Butt would have provided our defence with plenty of cover ... at least I imagine they would have. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted May 25, 2009 Share Posted May 25, 2009 Coloccini and Butt would have provided our defence with plenty of cover ... at least I imagine they would have. Coloccini played in midfield for us this season and looked fucking terrible. Weak as piss. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted May 25, 2009 Share Posted May 25, 2009 Coloccini and Butt would have provided our defence with plenty of cover ... at least I imagine they would have. Coloccini and Butt both played in midfield for us this season and looked fucking terrible. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted May 25, 2009 Share Posted May 25, 2009 Well that didn't need pointing out tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted May 26, 2009 Share Posted May 26, 2009 Faye and Bramble were both excellent this season, defensive coaching is clearly something which is inherently wrong at our club Alternatively it could be that we've not had a solid midfield in 5 years & end up inviting pressure on our defence leading to more & more last ditch tackles, etc. When a striker makes a mistake it doesn't usually get punished too badly, but when a defender makes an error it usually leads to an opposing player being put through on goal. You can get away sometimes, but constant pressure means more potential mistakes and when you have players like Titus did I leave the iron on? Bramble in your defence those mistakes get magnified more often. Bramble has looked alright this season because he's not been put under that pressure since the Wigan midfield has been capable of keeping hold of the ball when required and offering an outlet when necessary. He's still made the same mistakes, it just hasn't happened as often. How often this season did our defenders clear the ball to the midfield only to see it fly right back at our defence because the midfield wasn't there? Too often our players were sitting so deeply they could be classed as defenders or alternatively they'd find a warm spot on the pitch and stay there despite being marked by a defender twice their size. It's why Jonas was important to the team this season, he was actually capable of running with the ball and alleviating pressure, it would have worked better if the rest of the midfield had thought about trying to keep up with him to offer an outlet for him when he got into trouble, but too often they were still wandering around the centre of defence 50 yards away from the ball. It winds me up no end when the media go on about our frail defence. It isn't really that bad, the problem is in the midfield and has been in the midfield since Speed left. Bramble's been brilliant this season. Voted their player of the year by fans and rightfully so. Their midfield is pretty woeful, especially without Palacios and he's had more defending to do this season than with us under Robson. He's just dealt with it better, he's making better decisions, his game is more refined and he has good heads around him at the back give him credit where due, despite what you and others have said about him in the past Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted May 26, 2009 Share Posted May 26, 2009 Faye and Bramble were both excellent this season, defensive coaching is clearly something which is inherently wrong at our club Alternatively it could be that we've not had a solid midfield in 5 years & end up inviting pressure on our defence leading to more & more last ditch tackles, etc. When a striker makes a mistake it doesn't usually get punished too badly, but when a defender makes an error it usually leads to an opposing player being put through on goal. You can get away sometimes, but constant pressure means more potential mistakes and when you have players like Titus did I leave the iron on? Bramble in your defence those mistakes get magnified more often. Bramble has looked alright this season because he's not been put under that pressure since the Wigan midfield has been capable of keeping hold of the ball when required and offering an outlet when necessary. He's still made the same mistakes, it just hasn't happened as often. How often this season did our defenders clear the ball to the midfield only to see it fly right back at our defence because the midfield wasn't there? Too often our players were sitting so deeply they could be classed as defenders or alternatively they'd find a warm spot on the pitch and stay there despite being marked by a defender twice their size. It's why Jonas was important to the team this season, he was actually capable of running with the ball and alleviating pressure, it would have worked better if the rest of the midfield had thought about trying to keep up with him to offer an outlet for him when he got into trouble, but too often they were still wandering around the centre of defence 50 yards away from the ball. It winds me up no end when the media go on about our frail defence. It isn't really that bad, the problem is in the midfield and has been in the midfield since Speed left. Bramble's been brilliant this season. Voted their player of the year by fans and rightfully so. Their midfield is pretty woeful, especially without Palacios and he's had more defending to do this season than with us under Robson. He's just dealt with it better, he's making better decisions, his game is more refined and he has good heads around him at the back give him credit where due, despite what you and others have said about him in the past in what way is wigans midfield defensivly woeful. everytime i've seen them they've been very organised and work very hard as a unit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Heneage Posted May 26, 2009 Share Posted May 26, 2009 Our recruitment policy should focus on youth. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted May 26, 2009 Share Posted May 26, 2009 Our recruitment policy should focus on youth. our recruitment policy should focus on the right players. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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