Lenny Posted May 25, 2011 Share Posted May 25, 2011 Ok... so this appears to me to be primarily about the length of contract and not particularly the amount. Thinking about this with my head rather than my heart, if I was in charge of the purse strings, I think I'd be quite cautious about handing out a 3 year contract to him. To be fair, he appears to have sorted himself out, but even so, I'm sure there's been more than one occassion this season where Pardew has said "Barton has found it hard this week", "It's been a tough week for Joey", "He needs his head to be right to get the best out of him" etc. It only takes one occassion for him to have a breakdown that he can't control and he could have burnt his bridges. If that happens sooner rather than later (or never), we're stuck with a player with no use to us, and will be practically impossible to sell due to his age, attitude and salary. I get the impression there's a certain amount of walking on egg shells that goes on with Joey. Heart speaking here, I'd hand him the 3 year deal, but if the reason above is the case for the breakdown, I think I can understand it in this particular instance. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hughesy Posted May 25, 2011 Share Posted May 25, 2011 With the money he is paid, giving a 4 year contract to a 29 year old that has only had 1 good season for us doesn't seem that wise. This basically. Bit of a risk to have Barton on 50+k a week for the next 4 years with his track record. One good season does not go far enough in my book. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
80 Posted May 25, 2011 Share Posted May 25, 2011 Why, just why can't we have a summer in that everything goes without those big disappointments? Por Qué? We did. Last summer. Plenty expected to lose some of our favourites, nobody expected the likes of Tiote or Bafra. Just a shame Gosling was crock longer than was hoped. Really? The only thing some expected (not me) was more money to be spent than was, seeing as we ended up spending an unprecedentedly low amount by the standards of clubs which expect to not be relegated. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skirge Posted May 25, 2011 Share Posted May 25, 2011 stevewraith steve wraith by Cazza7 Spoke To Joey Barton last week at my event..he doesn't want to leave...he has offered to take 20k a week pay cut...he will sit tight he says Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colocho Posted May 25, 2011 Share Posted May 25, 2011 @stevewraith Spoke To Joey Barton last week at my event..he doesn't want to leave...he has offered to take 20k a week pay cut...he will sit tight he says Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted May 25, 2011 Share Posted May 25, 2011 It doesn't seem to make any sense Joey leaving to go somewhere else for the sake of a slightly longer contract. He seems happy, settled for the first time in his career, very important to a team that could be on the up with the right signings. Unless he wants to move abroad (which I doubt) NUFC seems a perfect place for him to be. Probably just his agent being a cunt as usual. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
80 Posted May 25, 2011 Share Posted May 25, 2011 As i said four pages ago, i think this is more Barton being a cunt than the club. And the people who jump in with the 'ashley out' 'this clubs a joke' statements are fucking jokes themselves. And you've still not given a justification as for why. Which is also a joke. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
80 Posted May 25, 2011 Share Posted May 25, 2011 There goes the good spirit in the camp. I doubt Joey is that great on the camp spirit side. He wasn't even part of it for most of the season we won promotion. In any case a player who is willing to move clubs to get the right deal isn't going to be one to instil team spirit at his current club. Neither's one that'll take anything like a bitch... You know for a fact that he's being offered a bad deal? You know for a fact he isn't? Just pointing your last sentence was untrue and essentially nonsensical. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxfree Posted May 25, 2011 Share Posted May 25, 2011 I guess Larsson is a cheap, realistic replacement? Realistic? Sure. Good enough? Not a chance. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ohmelads Posted May 25, 2011 Share Posted May 25, 2011 Whatever way you look at it it's not a good sign that Barton and Enrique still haven't signed new deals with the transfer window about to swing wide open and only 12 months on their contracts. It most probably is a game of brinkmanship, Ashley has often negotiated this way in the past and agents will be happy to do the same with the summer transfer season strengthening their hand. It's a risky strategy because when it works you get a good deal but when it doesn't, you're screwed. Newcastle can't afford to be losing these players, we have a handful of class players backed up by a load of dross. It's a lopsided squad. Lose those quality players and we're up sh*t creek, they are the reason we're 12th and not in the Championship. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BlacknWhiteArmy Posted May 25, 2011 Share Posted May 25, 2011 I guess Larsson is a cheap, realistic replacement? Realistic? Sure. Good enough? Not a chance. Of course. But Larsson's a lot easier and cheaper for the club. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caz Posted May 25, 2011 Share Posted May 25, 2011 I've been to two different talk in's with Joey, the one last week and the other at the Hilton. At both he was very open about wanting to sign a new contract and staying at the club. He'd said that he was willing to take the 20k pay cut, but when the club offered him a contract it was half of what he is on now. That they changed the 'agreement' before anything was put forward to sign. I'm hoping this latest talk is just his agent trying to stir things up, as if Barton doesn't sign I very much doubt Nolan will sign a contract offered to him! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted May 25, 2011 Share Posted May 25, 2011 Thing is, it seems Ashley doesn't bluff. He will offer a player what he things they're worth and what NUFC can afford, and if they don't agree to it he'll happily let them go IMO. Not that I think Barton will leave, it's just agent fluff. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH Posted May 25, 2011 Share Posted May 25, 2011 Thing is, it seems Ashley doesn't bluff. He will offer a player what he things they're worth and what NUFC can afford, and if they don't agree to it he'll happily let them go IMO. Not that I think Barton will leave, it's just agent fluff. Of course it is. s*** which people usually ignore. But when it's a negative story involving NUFC, it's 100% definitely true and the owner is the worst man alive and those poor players are being hard done by. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
80 Posted May 25, 2011 Share Posted May 25, 2011 Ok... so this appears to me to be primarily about the length of contract and not particularly the amount. Thinking about this with my head rather than my heart, if I was in charge of the purse strings, I think I'd be quite cautious about handing out a 3 year contract to him. To be fair, he appears to have sorted himself out, but even so, I'm sure there's been more than one occassion this season where Pardew has said "Barton has found it hard this week", "It's been a tough week for Joey", "He needs his head to be right to get the best out of him" etc. It only takes one occassion for him to have a breakdown that he can't control and he could have burnt his bridges. If that happens sooner rather than later (or never), we're stuck with a player with no use to us, and will be practically impossible to sell due to his age, attitude and salary. I get the impression there's a certain amount of walking on egg shells that goes on with Joey. Heart speaking here, I'd hand him the 3 year deal, but if the reason above is the case for the breakdown, I think I can understand it in this particular instance. I recognise your point, but in turn I also want to point out it's Pardew who's saying that and he doesn't have a great track record for man management (prior to coming here, I mean). He likes to think he's being clever when he makes these comments, and they don't necessarily relate to whatever's happened on the training ground that day. It doesn't change the fact there could be a bust up with a player on a longish contract, of course, but then it's a self-fulfilling prophecy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarrenBartonCentrePartin Posted May 25, 2011 Share Posted May 25, 2011 Willie McKay will be on BBC Total Sport tonight. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest schmuck Posted May 25, 2011 Share Posted May 25, 2011 Wasn't there confirmation out of the club at the time that Smith would not be sold under any circumstances in January? Ridculous priorities Can feel myself getting sucked into the slow, faulty tap-like drip of summer speculation now, ugh. As compelling as it is unrewarding. Still, on a more football related note: 5 - No player assisted more goals (5) or created more goalscoring chances (41) from set pieces in the PL in 2010/11 than Joey Barton. Bibs. (OptaJoe) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest toonlass Posted May 25, 2011 Share Posted May 25, 2011 Steve Wraith on Twitter "Spoke to a well know journo today who spoke to our MD and he allegedly said that they hadn't spoke to JB or agent...here we go again" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newcastle Fan Posted May 25, 2011 Share Posted May 25, 2011 Thing is, it seems Ashley doesn't bluff. He will offer a player what he things they're worth and what NUFC can afford, and if they don't agree to it he'll happily let them go IMO. Not that I think Barton will leave, it's just agent fluff. Of course it is. s*** which people usually ignore. But when it's a negative story involving NUFC, it's 100% definitely true and the owner is the worst man alive and those poor players are being hard done by. For me i'm forced to believe them to avoid a disappointment, i laughed at the reports that said Keegan want to walk and that we are considring sacking Chris Hughton and look what happend. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ohmelads Posted May 25, 2011 Share Posted May 25, 2011 Thing is, it seems Ashley doesn't bluff. He will offer a player what he things they're worth and what NUFC can afford, and if they don't agree to it he'll happily let them go IMO. Not that I think Barton will leave, it's just agent fluff. Of course it is. s*** which people usually ignore. But when it's a negative story involving NUFC, it's 100% definitely true and the owner is the worst man alive and those poor players are being hard done by. I genuinely believe Barton wants to be at this club after all that's gone on and I'll be surprised if he leaves. Enrique on the other hand, who knows. I think people are always wary of what's going on, espescially when we have players in high demand whose contracts are running out, and an owner who likes surprises and taking risks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hughesy Posted May 25, 2011 Share Posted May 25, 2011 How long is the contract Nolan is supposed to be signing? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
80 Posted May 25, 2011 Share Posted May 25, 2011 It doesn't seem to make any sense Joey leaving to go somewhere else for the sake of a slightly longer contract. He seems happy, settled for the first time in his career, very important to a team that could be on the up with the right signings. Unless he wants to move abroad (which I doubt) NUFC seems a perfect place for him to be. Probably just his agent being a cunt as usual. Indeed, which is why you wouldn't expect him to let his agent act like a cunt on this occasion. Believe me, I've got no time for Willie Mckay himself. I can imagine his concern relates to the idea of him only getting 24 months from now on the clock and being bumped out next summer anyway along with Tiote et al - i.e. insecurity. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevo Posted May 25, 2011 Share Posted May 25, 2011 He won't get any better than this season, so maybe after one more year it will be time to find a younger player? This might not be such a bad thing imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylor Swift Posted May 25, 2011 Share Posted May 25, 2011 wasn't he ging t sign in the windw then said 'nah' after we sld carroll? what's changed? siding with the club in this case but this shit is fuckin boring Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gash Posted May 25, 2011 Share Posted May 25, 2011 Joey is absolutely the type of player you should be looking into hanging onto. He WANTS to play for the club and it has been something lacking in an awful lot of players who have been at Newcastle in the last 5 years. Unfortunately 70K isn't feasible, at all. Seem's like he really wants to stay and personally i just think it's his agent being his usual self, any player willing to take a £20k pay cut to stay at a club is the kind of player you really want to keep a hold off, Arsenal and Newcastle fans have seen how quality of a player can go out of the window completely if they don't have the passion to play for the club! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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