hoppaz Posted August 26, 2011 Share Posted August 26, 2011 Stu: http://www.newcastle-online.org/nufcforum/index.php/topic,63771.msg3173165.html#msg3173165 Read that and I totally understand that Barton is entitled to look after his financial affairs and put himself and his bank balance first. For the same reason I think we as a football club have to look after our financial affairs and make sure we don't end up like Everton. For that reason I'm very pleased that we didn't cave in to either Barton or Nolan's demands for long contracts on big money. Here here. You know what you could do the opposite. You could give a homesick player a new contract of 250 grand a week after he tells you he is homesick to appease him and his family. Yet a year later you get the same story. Even the richest clubs have a limit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH Posted August 26, 2011 Share Posted August 26, 2011 Unfollowed Steve Brenner on Twitter after constantly going on about "Barton could have stayed if he wanted to" What a load of bollocks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH Posted August 26, 2011 Share Posted August 26, 2011 As long as journalists and fans alike continue to turn a blind eye to this ("We have other players" "We'll sign a replacement") and slag off the player for walking away ("Not amibitious" "Greedy cunt" "Good riddance"), then Mike Ashley will keep doing it. It'll be the same with Jonas, the same with Tiote and the same with Coloccini. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mantis Posted August 26, 2011 Share Posted August 26, 2011 After watching the shite last night he probably went straight round to sign. Some people are clearly happy to watch this side get weaker and weaker. It's ok though, the left back will be here by Sunday Jonas next Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Duper Branko Strupar Posted August 26, 2011 Share Posted August 26, 2011 I'm not raging he's left, but that's 2 RM's leaving without a replacement in sight. It's not as if we have a shit hot attacking full back in Simpson. Yes Marveaux can play on the right, but we could do with crosses coming in from a right foot on that side. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PineBarrens Posted August 26, 2011 Share Posted August 26, 2011 Putting aside for one moment who's to blame for Barton leaving - will he be replaced? And if so, will that replacement be as good or better? If the answer is no to either the first or second question, then we have part 1672647438483826767868368723678378367896786278678678637867851267125671275236348973489726378067834678346784647864807648904678903647806786278016347806780263478067802678067806478046807678067806708th of NUFC's bad decisons made under this regime. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mantis Posted August 26, 2011 Share Posted August 26, 2011 Putting aside for one moment who's to blame for Barton leaving - will he be replaced? And if so, will that replacement be as good or better? If the answer is no to either the first or second question, then we have part 1672647438483826767868368723678378367896786278678678637867851267125671275236348973489726378067834678346784647864807648904678903647806786278016347806780263478067802678067806478046807678067806708th of NUFC's bad decisons made under this regime. The next poor decision wont be far behind. Once Jonas is gone it will be Obertan and Routledges twin skinning the opposition. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoppaz Posted August 26, 2011 Share Posted August 26, 2011 As long as journalists and fans alike continue to turn a blind eye to this ("We have other players" "We'll sign a replacement") and slag off the player for walking away ("Not amibitious" "Greedy c***" "Good riddance"), then Mike Ashley will keep doing it. It'll be the same with Jonas, the same with Tiote and the same with Coloccini. Tbf it has been the same for every other club and player who has left (when players leave) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cubaricho Posted August 26, 2011 Share Posted August 26, 2011 I think our football style will get better without Barton in the team to be honest. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeloEmre Posted August 26, 2011 Share Posted August 26, 2011 I think our football style will get better without Barton in the team to be honest. People said the same when Carroll left and when Nolan left. I haven't seen much change tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoppaz Posted August 26, 2011 Share Posted August 26, 2011 Yes but so far we haven't lost in competitive fixtures this season though Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 26, 2011 Share Posted August 26, 2011 I think our football style will get better without Barton in the team to be honest. People said the same when Carroll left and when Nolan left. I haven't seen much change tbh. We've played 2 games without Nolan. And the football didn't change after Carroll, if anything we played less long ball. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeloEmre Posted August 26, 2011 Share Posted August 26, 2011 Yes but so far we haven't lost in competitive fixtures this season though We didn't lose at home to Arsenal and away to Sunderland last season either. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PineBarrens Posted August 26, 2011 Share Posted August 26, 2011 Yes but so far we haven't lost in competitive fixtures this season though Started off well under Allardyce despite being largely unconvincing, too. Well, until Derby County away. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted August 26, 2011 Share Posted August 26, 2011 I think our football style will get better without Barton in the team to be honest. People said the same when Carroll left and when Nolan left. I haven't seen much change tbh. I think that's down to the manager rather than the players tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TherealnorthernTOON Posted August 26, 2011 Share Posted August 26, 2011 Will miss his personality, not much more. Was allways fun to watch him, his controversy on the pitch. Allways knew he would be in some kind of clinch with a player. But I fully believe Cabaye will make us forget Barton ever was at the club, looks alot better player wich actually got some dribbeling skill and speed, and not to mention mobility to be that deeplying playmaker. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sifu Posted August 26, 2011 Share Posted August 26, 2011 Good luck to Joey (except against us, of course ). Deserves a warm reception at SJP. Conducted himself very well IMO. ?? how exactly has he conducted himself well? I presume you are joking? Not even a little bit. The timeline as I see it is this: Okay, very rough start what with the prison sentence and all. After that, he applied himself on the pitch and was one of our top performers. Whether the performances made up for the rough start and outweighs it is opinion etc. I think probably just about comes up on the positive side in that respect. He fought our tyrannical owners (that should be me being comedic, but it's not!) and questioned their policies. He communicated with fans, was honest about what was going on the club and didn't let it affect his performances. The team morale hasn't seem troubled by it either. Look at Arsenal. Look at Sunderland. He shows passion, he screams at players for s*** passes, but that's part of football. It's good for football. He always ends up joking with people - even the opposition who stamp on him ffs! His contract negotiations were an uphill struggle from the get go because of the owners. He is getting older, so obviously we shouldn't have offered him a 75k week contract for four years (or whatever it actually is), but if the owners weren't such complete antagonistic arseholes I'm sure we could have sweetened him for a 1 or 2 year deal at around £60k (probably even less, tbh). You have top class older pros like Hangeland who could walk into most top table teams, but a relatively small club like Fulham can hold onto him because they're not run by mongs. Similarly, how many of Everton's top class older players are leaving, or desperate to find a way out of the club (a la Carroll, Nolan, Enrique, Barton)? None is the answer. And you know they of all people could get much better salaries elsewhere. Barton, to his credit, fought to stay here - even when transfer listed, he dug his heels in and said he was proud to wear the colours. He also continued to put in important performances and helping us to four points already. Even though he was docked wages, trained alone and treated like crap in general. Then QPR come in and offer him a great deal, give him a future and show him some respect - what obligation does he have to Ashley to stay? None. He should do what's right for him, and he has. It's to his credit he didn't go sulk somewhere, not train, play (eg Modric, Maiga) during these troubled times. Man, my chronology is really bad... but still, hopefully you see my perspective. Joey doesn't owe anyone anything, except himself. It was up to the club to make sure he felt he could get that at Newcastle. They failed. Well, they would have failed if it was ever their intention to keep him at all - rather than their actual intention to just cut down the Administrative Expenses line on the end of year Financial Statements. f*** the league table, right. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeloEmre Posted August 26, 2011 Share Posted August 26, 2011 I think our football style will get better without Barton in the team to be honest. People said the same when Carroll left and when Nolan left. I haven't seen much change tbh. I think that's down to the manager rather than the players tbh. I agree with that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoppaz Posted August 26, 2011 Share Posted August 26, 2011 Yes but so far we haven't lost in competitive fixtures this season though We didn't lose at home to Arsenal and away to Sunderland last season either. No but arsenal weren't 4 up by half time either. Point being we have so far stopped the yo yo results Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeloEmre Posted August 26, 2011 Share Posted August 26, 2011 Yes but so far we haven't lost in competitive fixtures this season though We didn't lose at home to Arsenal and away to Sunderland last season either. No but arsenal weren't 4 up by half time either. Point being we have so far stopped the yo yo results And we have nothing to offer forward. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted August 26, 2011 Share Posted August 26, 2011 Wouldnt that be considered greedy if he stayed and picked up his wages when the club wanted him to go? Nope Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoppaz Posted August 26, 2011 Share Posted August 26, 2011 Yes but so far we haven't lost in competitive fixtures this season though We didn't lose at home to Arsenal and away to Sunderland last season either. No but arsenal weren't 4 up by half time either. Point being we have so far stopped the yo yo results And we have nothing to offer forward. Have you looked at the league table? Stop thinking we should be the Harlem globe trotters and look at the fact that so far this season we are yet to lose. Arsenal are worse off. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sifu Posted August 26, 2011 Share Posted August 26, 2011 Like I've said before in this thread, I am absolutely disappointed he's gone. We have lost a leader on the pitch and seemingly in the dressing room too (I'm judging this from the Twitter interactions between one another and how it seems most of the players like him [even the new ones, ie. Cabaye]). This is a loss for the team and he'll definitely be missed, no doubt about that in my mind. I'm disappointed that he has chosen QPR but I guess he was pushed into a corner by the c***s from above that he would have went anywhere (who would offer him a secure future/ambition which the new QPR owner seems to have compared to the c*** we've got). But alas, it's time to move on and time for others to step up to the plate. I'd start Obertan now tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mantis Posted August 26, 2011 Share Posted August 26, 2011 Yes but so far we haven't lost in competitive fixtures this season though We didn't lose at home to Arsenal and away to Sunderland last season either. No but arsenal weren't 4 up by half time either. Point being we have so far stopped the yo yo results And we have nothing to offer forward. Have you looked at the league table? Stop thinking we should be the Harlem globe trotters and look at the fact that so far this season we are yet to lose. Arsenal are worse off. Short term view. It's about where we'll be a few months after the transfer window when the bench is loaded with teenagers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoppaz Posted August 26, 2011 Share Posted August 26, 2011 Like I've said before in this thread, I am absolutely disappointed he's gone. We have lost a leader on the pitch and seemingly in the dressing room too (I'm judging this from the Twitter interactions between one another and how it seems most of the players like him [even the new ones, ie. Cabaye]). This is a loss for the team and he'll definitely be missed, no doubt about that in my mind. I'm disappointed that he has chosen QPR but I guess he was pushed into a corner by the c***s from above that he would have went anywhere (who would offer him a secure future/ambition which the new QPR owner seems to have compared to the c*** we've got). But alas, it's time to move on and time for others to step up to the plate. I'd start Obertan now tbh. It is time for others to do the biz on the pitch not off it. Is Alex Ferguson a cunt for getting rid of Roy keane? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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