Frazzle Posted February 4, 2011 Share Posted February 4, 2011 We can pretend he's from Gateshead can't we? Everything's fine again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geordie Ahmed Posted February 4, 2011 Share Posted February 4, 2011 He hasnt played the recent reserve games because he was injured wasnt he? So how come he has jumped straight into the squad? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBG Posted February 4, 2011 Share Posted February 4, 2011 He hasnt played the recent reserve games because he was injured wasnt he? So how come he has jumped straight into the squad? If we could get the toilet cleaners registered in time they would be on the bench, at the moment if you can walk your in the squad Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted February 4, 2011 Share Posted February 4, 2011 I'd prefer to play Vukcic rather than Ireland. Tomorrow? Clearly. If you mean when both are fit, you should be locked up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest palnese Posted February 4, 2011 Share Posted February 4, 2011 Gentle as ever :lol: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ujpest doza Posted February 4, 2011 Share Posted February 4, 2011 I'd prefer to play Vukcic rather than Ireland. I've yet to see anything in Vukcic to suggest this would be a good idea. Fail to see what the fuss is all about. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGuv Posted February 4, 2011 Share Posted February 4, 2011 Gentle as ever :lol: I know Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted February 4, 2011 Share Posted February 4, 2011 I'd prefer to play Vukcic rather than Ireland. I've yet to see anything in Vukcic to suggest this would be a good idea. Fail to see what the fuss is all about. ^^^ Above are examples of the 2 extremes fans hold towards youngsters at this club. Both are ridiculous. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted February 4, 2011 Share Posted February 4, 2011 I'd prefer to play Vukcic rather than Ireland. I've yet to see anything in Vukcic to suggest this would be a good idea. Fail to see what the fuss is all about. ^^^ Above are examples of the 2 extremes fans hold towards youngsters at this club. Both are ridiculous. I don't think he's been the same player since his injury last season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ujpest doza Posted February 4, 2011 Share Posted February 4, 2011 I'd prefer to play Vukcic rather than Ireland. I've yet to see anything in Vukcic to suggest this would be a good idea. Fail to see what the fuss is all about. ^^^ Above are examples of the 2 extremes fans hold towards youngsters at this club. Both are ridiculous. How? Reading this forum and others you'd think Vukcic was a wonder kid world beater, yet when i've seen him he's had no impact whatsoever and has looked poor. I know he's only 18, but real wonderkids are playing first team games and stealing the show in them at tha age eg Michael Owen France 98 and Wayne Rooney scoring in the premiership against Everton aged 16. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted February 4, 2011 Share Posted February 4, 2011 How? Reading this forum and others you'd think Vukcic was a wonder kid world beater, yet when i've seen him he's had no impact whatsoever and has looked poor. I know he's only 18, but real wonderkids are playing first team games and stealing the show in them at tha age eg Michael Owen France 98 and Wayne Rooney scoring in the premiership against Everton aged 16. He's looked class for the kids and reserves but injury has hampered him at first team level, that and Hughton not wanting to play kids last season which is my biggest problem with how Hughton managed us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ujpest doza Posted February 4, 2011 Share Posted February 4, 2011 How? Reading this forum and others you'd think Vukcic was a wonder kid world beater, yet when i've seen him he's had no impact whatsoever and has looked poor. I know he's only 18, but real wonderkids are playing first team games and stealing the show in them at tha age eg Michael Owen France 98 and Wayne Rooney scoring in the premiership against Everton aged 16. He's looked class for the kids and reserves but injury has hampered him at first team level, that and Hughton not wanting to play kids last season which is my biggest problem with how Hughton managed us. How has Ranger looked at that level? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted February 4, 2011 Share Posted February 4, 2011 Which other 'kids' were good enough to play? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted February 4, 2011 Share Posted February 4, 2011 How has Ranger looked at that level? Very good which has no bearing on Vuckic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted February 4, 2011 Share Posted February 4, 2011 I'd prefer to play Vukcic rather than Ireland. I've yet to see anything in Vukcic to suggest this would be a good idea. Fail to see what the fuss is all about. ^^^ Above are examples of the 2 extremes fans hold towards youngsters at this club. Both are ridiculous. How? Reading this forum and others you'd think Vukcic was a wonder kid world beater, yet when i've seen him he's had no impact whatsoever and has looked poor. I know he's only 18, but real wonderkids are playing first team games and stealing the show in them at tha age eg Michael Owen France 98 and Wayne Rooney scoring in the premiership against Everton aged 16. Nobody has said he's a wonderkid or a worldbeater man, and if they have then they're mad. People are just judging him based on what they've seen in the reserves/youth games and saying he'd probably be as much of a shout to play than some of the absolute dross in our squad. Carroll looked absolutely dire at 19, yet 3 years later he's gone for £35 million. Writing off youngsters because they 'look poor' in 3 CC games at 18 (alongside Alan Smith) is just as ridiculous as expecting the Slovenian Messi. FWIW I thought he looked alright against Arsenal and no poorer than everybody else on show in that game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted February 4, 2011 Share Posted February 4, 2011 Which other 'kids' were good enough to play? Ranger, Kadar and Vuckic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ujpest doza Posted February 4, 2011 Share Posted February 4, 2011 How has Ranger looked at that level? Very good which has no bearing on Vuckic. Yes it does. Ranger looks out of his depth in the PL but good at youth/reserve level which is my point about Vukcic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ObiChrisKenobi Posted February 4, 2011 Share Posted February 4, 2011 Ranger took the piss at U18 and Reserve level, but that was mainly down to his physical ability allowing him to take the piss (and his confidence was sky high). His technique was still a bit ropey though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted February 4, 2011 Share Posted February 4, 2011 Which other 'kids' were good enough to play? Ranger, Kadar and Vuckic. Kadar came in when needed (which wasn't often) and Ranger had plenty of chances. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted February 4, 2011 Share Posted February 4, 2011 Yes it does. Ranger looks out of his depth in the PL but good at youth/reserve level which is my point about Vukcic. So just because you think one player looks out of his depth then they all will? It doesn't work that way although I'm not sure how well he'll do myself, I'll not write him off this early. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted February 4, 2011 Share Posted February 4, 2011 Kadar came in when needed (which wasn't often) and Ranger had plenty of chances. Kadar was kept out of the team by a Chelsea reserve who was here on loan so should have had more games. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted February 4, 2011 Share Posted February 4, 2011 Van Aanholt's stint was a complete failure, clearly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted February 4, 2011 Share Posted February 4, 2011 I just don't see how people can say 'I don't see what all the fuss is about' based on 3 cup games. Similarly I don't see how people can dub players wonderkids on the same token. UD clearly doesn't watch reserve or yoof games and is hence basing his opinion on the lad from the very limited appearances he's made so far. Clearly made up his mind already, foreign and left-footed = don't trust Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ujpest doza Posted February 4, 2011 Share Posted February 4, 2011 Yes it does. Ranger looks out of his depth in the PL but good at youth/reserve level which is my point about Vukcic. So just because you think one player looks out of his depth then they all will? It doesn't work that way although I'm not sure how well he'll do myself, I'll not write him off this early. I'm not writing him off but just think looking good at that level is no barometer particularly as he is much bigger than the other kids in the same way that ranger was bigger physically than the other kids. I've heard loads about him but have been left cold every time i've seen him as he just hasn't lived up to the billing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ujpest doza Posted February 4, 2011 Share Posted February 4, 2011 I just don't see how people can say 'I don't see what all the fuss is about' based on 3 cup games. Similarly I don't see how people can dub players wonderkids on the same token. UD clearly doesn't watch reserve or yoof games and is hence basing his opinion on the lad from the very limited appearances he's made so far. Clearly made up his mind already, foreign and left-footed = don't trust i couldn't be arsed to go and watch youth and reserve team games and am basing it on what i've seen at first team level. others who do watch reserves and youth have raved about him which was why i was disapointed when i saw him in the 1st team as i just couldn't see what the fuss was all about. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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