Barry Moat - I'd sell the naming rights.

[Delima]

So the NUST is happy for the average fan to put their pensions into help their cause, but if a multibillionaire company wants to stick millions in and their name in front of St James', then it's a no-go as far as they're concerned?

 

Sorry but I don't like that one little bit. Very closed-minded.

 

What's wrong with this stance ? How is this closed-minded ?

 

Vast amount of people voted against any name change of the stadium. NUSC as a "democratic" institution heed to this request and adopt this as their position. Seem very open-minded, logical and fair to me.

[Darth Crooks]

I would love for Moat to get the club, any fker HAS to be better than Ashley, IF Most wanted to sell the naming rights I think most fans would take that, if it helped raise funds for players. Ashley doing it is just seen as the fat c*** having another pop at us just another way for him to take the piss. No matter what Ashley does not the fans are not going to back him, he has blown it here big time.

 

SSN will try to pick the most controversial bits from the interview to release first that's just jouralism, they all do it. I do think SSN are pro Ashley as much as they want the scoop from our circus club so keeping him onside is best for them.

 

I agree. It seems that SSN sensationalism is all they're after and unfortunately NUFC provides them with plenty of ammo. I don't think they are bothered either way about Ashley, as long as there's turmoil they'll be happy. If the best interests of the club are genuinely at heart and the reasoning put forward articulately then the sponsorship of the club name should be listened to. However because the 'cockney mafia' couldn't run a bath and haven't used such eloquence, people have quite rightly been in uproar. Shame moat is about as minted as a tramps breath as surely the main point is his desire to help the club by ridding us of ashley?

[AyeDubbleYoo]

This may evetually happen more widely, even though it makes me sick to see it, but we do not want to be the ones to set the precident.

 

Moat can fuck off, and so can anyone else who wants to sell the heritage of the club.

[Colos Short and Curlies]

This may evetually happen more widely, even though it makes me sick to see it, but we do not want to be the ones to set the precident.

 

Moat can fuck off, and so can anyone else who wants to sell the heritage of the club.

 

Aye it made me sick when the Honey Monster was polaying in B&W stripes with KK as manager in the mid nineties.

 

 

The comercialisation of the club has been going on long before Ashley took over, and the naming rights is just the latest step down that road. (not that I like or agree with btw, but it was inevitable at some point)

[AyeDubbleYoo]

This may evetually happen more widely, even though it makes me sick to see it, but we do not want to be the ones to set the precident.

 

Moat can f*** off, and so can anyone else who wants to sell the heritage of the club.

 

Aye it made me sick when the Honey Monster was polaying in B&W stripes with KK as manager in the mid nineties.

 

The comercialisation of the club has been going on long before Ashley took over, and the naming rights is just the latest step down that road. (not that I like or agree with btw, but it was inevitable at some point)

 

I don't agree, I know what you're saying but a line has to be drawn somewhere. It's not as easy as just saying it's part of commercialisation of football, or it's inevitavble. Otherwise we should just admit that football has no meaning or importance beyond the profit and loss account.

 

If that's the case then you'd be just as well off supporting John Lewis plc. When that happens the game will stop really meaning anything... then we've destroyed just what we were trying to build.

[timnufc22]

"So you have to do things to close that gap. We need to get back up to the Premier League as quickly as possible.

 

"I think if you have to do some of those things, by taking the commercial benefit of a sponsor, then as far as I'm concerned if that gets the right players on the pitch, gives you the right entertainment on a Saturday, then where do I sign?"

 

What utter bollocks.

 

Llambias has already come out and said the money will not go towards transfers. He said there will be little or no transfer kitty in January whatever happens and he would prefer more loan signings.

 

Moat is either badly out of touch with events at SJP or his "bid" was a classic salesman stunt by Ashley to flush out potential bidders. Having read these comments my money is on the latter.

 

Exactly, 500k - 1m a year would "get the right players on the pitch"? Cynical side says he's just been used as a smokescreen, and has been happy to be used that way, you sad, sad man.

[Colos Short and Curlies]

This may evetually happen more widely, even though it makes me sick to see it, but we do not want to be the ones to set the precident.

 

Moat can f*** off, and so can anyone else who wants to sell the heritage of the club.

 

Aye it made me sick when the Honey Monster was polaying in B&W stripes with KK as manager in the mid nineties.

 

The comercialisation of the club has been going on long before Ashley took over, and the naming rights is just the latest step down that road. (not that I like or agree with btw, but it was inevitable at some point)

 

I don't agree, I know what you're saying but a line has to be drawn somewhere. It's not as easy as just saying it's part of commercialisation of football, or it's inevitavble. Otherwise we should just admit that football has no meaning or importance beyond the profit and loss account.

 

If that's the case then you'd be just as well off supporting John Lewis plc. When that happens the game will stop really meaning anything... then we've destroyed just what we were trying to build.

 

We already have tbh. Football is eating itself thanks to the exposion of the Premier League. Its now too cash driven and as only a cousin of the pre 92 game.

 

Video evidence is another step down this road, decisions now cost millions so they have be correct. Rubbish I say! Mistakes are part and parcel of what makes (made) football great. Its now a product, and as such has to be QC tested. Marketing is the most important part of modern football, and with that comes the inevitable commercialisation of history/tradition.

 

Personally I hate it, and would love for the money 4 to fuck off to a European Super Soccer League complete with blue and red Pepsi grass, 4 quarters brought to you by Budweiser and commentators called Brad and Brad. Then we can rebuild football as it is supossed to be. Jumpers for goalposts, isn't it, wasn't it? Marvellous!

[Dave]

Used to flush out which bidders though? There were no others.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

This may evetually happen more widely, even though it makes me sick to see it, but we do not want to be the ones to set the precident.

 

Moat can f*** off, and so can anyone else who wants to sell the heritage of the club.

 

Aye it made me sick when the Honey Monster was polaying in B&W stripes with KK as manager in the mid nineties.

 

The comercialisation of the club has been going on long before Ashley took over, and the naming rights is just the latest step down that road. (not that I like or agree with btw, but it was inevitable at some point)

 

I don't agree, I know what you're saying but a line has to be drawn somewhere. It's not as easy as just saying it's part of commercialisation of football, or it's inevitavble. Otherwise we should just admit that football has no meaning or importance beyond the profit and loss account.

 

If that's the case then you'd be just as well off supporting John Lewis plc. When that happens the game will stop really meaning anything... then we've destroyed just what we were trying to build.

 

We already have tbh. Football is eating itself thanks to the exposion of the Premier League. Its now too cash driven and as only a cousin of the pre 92 game.

 

Video evidence is another step down this road, decisions now cost millions so they have be correct. Rubbish I say! Mistakes are part and parcel of what makes (made) football great. Its now a product, and as such has to be QC tested. Marketing is the most important part of modern football, and with that comes the inevitable commercialisation of history/tradition.

 

Personally I hate it, and would love for the money 4 to f*** off to a European Super Soccer League complete with blue and red Pepsi grass, 4 quarters brought to you by Budweiser and commentators called Brad and Brad. Then we can rebuild football as it is supossed to be. Jumpers for goalposts, isn't it, wasn't it? Marvellous!

 

I remember the days!

 

FWIW, what I mean is that it isn't a case of accepting all commercialisation or none of it.

 

Everything you say is right about the money and business-focus that has come in (and you're right about the refereeing as well), but I don't think that means that there isn't anything that should be protected. I just think selling the naming rights to a century old stadium is too much.

[Guest]

This may evetually happen more widely, even though it makes me sick to see it, but we do not want to be the ones to set the precident.

 

Moat can f*** off, and so can anyone else who wants to sell the heritage of the club.

 

Aye it made me sick when the Honey Monster was polaying in B&W stripes with KK as manager in the mid nineties.

 

The comercialisation of the club has been going on long before Ashley took over, and the naming rights is just the latest step down that road. (not that I like or agree with btw, but it was inevitable at some point)

 

I don't agree, I know what you're saying but a line has to be drawn somewhere. It's not as easy as just saying it's part of commercialisation of football, or it's inevitavble. Otherwise we should just admit that football has no meaning or importance beyond the profit and loss account.

 

If that's the case then you'd be just as well off supporting John Lewis plc. When that happens the game will stop really meaning anything... then we've destroyed just what we were trying to build.

 

We already have tbh. Football is eating itself thanks to the exposion of the Premier League. Its now too cash driven and as only a cousin of the pre 92 game.

 

Video evidence is another step down this road, decisions now cost millions so they have be correct. Rubbish I say! Mistakes are part and parcel of what makes (made) football great. Its now a product, and as such has to be QC tested. Marketing is the most important part of modern football, and with that comes the inevitable commercialisation of history/tradition.

 

Personally I hate it, and would love for the money 4 to f*** off to a European Super Soccer League complete with blue and red Pepsi grass, 4 quarters brought to you by Budweiser and commentators called Brad and Brad. Then we can rebuild football as it is supossed to be. Jumpers for goalposts, isn't it, wasn't it? Marvellous!

 

It's the same with every thing today though not just football. What about films losing an edge in storylines because millions are spent on over-the-top special FX or whatever. Times have changed, whether it's for the better is another debate.

[timnufc22]

http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/3896/barrymoat001.th.jpg

 

"He's doing a good job of this PR stuff, is my bitch"

[Cronky]

 

We welcome any serious offers for Newcastle but this is de-ja-vue, we will continue our fan based campaign to make the club accountable to the city again. It is only 4 days in and we've had a massive response pledging investment from large and small investors. We've made approaches to Mr Moat previously and had no reply but we're happy to speak to anyone who has the long term interests of Newcastle at heart. If he has any ideas about how he would take the club forward apart from carrying on the idea of selling the name of SJP 'for commercial reasons' then once again we would happily talk. One point of immediate disagreement is the issue of re-naming the ground. <b>We'll be clear, under a Trust led bid there would be no change of name. 23,000 customers asked us not to through our online petition on www.nust.org.uk</b> We have a series of commercial ideas that don't strip out the history of the club and would retain the integrity of SJP'.

 

 

Isnt that down to the President and the board not the people running NUST at the moment?

 

If the club were to be run like Barca or Real Madrid (I assume they're looking at a similar model) then I would imagine a chairman (or 'president') would be elected by the fans to run the club. As Laporta was at Barcelona, or Perez who was re-elected at Real Madrid this year. Anyone running for election would surely curry favour with the fans (voters) by promising he will keep the stadium's name. No chairman/president would dare change it because he would lose the majority of votes if he did. Could you imagine a president at Real or Barca doing that? He'd be out the door straight away. The NUST are right there's no chance it would be changed because the chairman is chosen by the fans.

 

It's not a foolproof system by any means but like most fans I like the Barca/Real model, both practically speaking and out of principle. It makes the owner accountable and gives the fans the chance to get rid if he's making a hash of things, or keep him in charge if he's doing a good job (eg Laporta who has stayed president at Barcelona for 6 years).  There would be major question marks over how the club would be funded but right now the biggest question mark is whether we have a big enough fanbase to make it a reality.

 

Geordie B has made a sound point there. Somehow the views of NUST, the overall views of 'the fans' as a whole, and the views of any Elected Board or President have all morphed into one in their statement.

[Benwell Lad]

I think it's about time the NUST came clean about Barry Moat as there has been an amount of innuendo and negative comments on here which would imply they really have it in for him now. What is it we should know about him that we don't already ?

 

Is the reason for this negativity that their own campaign is lacking substance and credibility, so better try and discredit others rather than focus on themselves. Emotive though it is fellas, there really are much bigger issues at stake than what prefix St.James'Park may or may not have next season.

We're waiting patiently for the "local businesses and institutions" to reveal themselves and hopefully add some substance, but in the absence of even rumours about who they may be, all we have had are the rather vague and clouded ramblings of the Jesmond Geordie who knows as much as my missus would about running a football club.

 

Forget about Moat and other chancers lads, and concentrate on your own bid  or you'll end up making Steve MacMahon's group look credible by comparison.

[Guest]

Any excuse to criticise the NUST, etc. etc.

[Guest sicko2ndbest]

http://www.skysports.com/video/inline/0,26691,12606_5698184,00.html

[Liam Liam Liam O]

Hypothetical situation........If NUST completed the takeover & we didn't get promoted & then spent a few seasons in this division meaning paying the bills became a major problem, would they consider changing their stance on selling the naming rights in order to avoid administration and a ten point deduction if we were in with a shout of promotion or alternatively close to the relegation zone?

[Cronky]

I think it's about time the NUST came clean about Barry Moat as there has been an amount of innuendo and negative comments on here which would imply they really have it in for him now. What is it we should know about him that we don't already ?

 

Is the reason for this negativity that their own campaign is lacking substance and credibility, so better try and discredit others rather than focus on themselves. Emotive though it is fellas, there really are much bigger issues at stake than what prefix St.James'Park may or may not have next season.

We're waiting patiently for the "local businesses and institutions" to reveal themselves and hopefully add some substance, but in the absence of even rumours about who they may be, all we have had are the rather vague and clouded ramblings of the Jesmond Geordie who knows as much as my missus would about running a football club.

 

Forget about Moat and other chancers lads, and concentrate on your own bid  or you'll end up making Steve MacMahon's group look credible by comparison.

 

I don't think they're out to discredit Moat as a potential rival. Despite looking at potential ownership, they still have the holier-than-thou air of a protest movement, and it keeps spilling out.

 

Hypothetical situation........If NUST completed the takeover & we didn't get promoted & then spent a few seasons in this division meaning paying the bills became a major problem, would they consider changing their stance on selling the naming rights in order to avoid administration and a ten point deduction if we were in with a shout of promotion or alternatively close to the relegation zone?

 

As above, running a protest movement and running a multi-million pound business are different matters altogether.