Geordie Ahmed Posted February 12, 2012 Share Posted February 12, 2012 Obertan should have been keeping an eye on Assou Ekotto, instead he was chilling on the edge of the box Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ToonZA Posted February 12, 2012 Share Posted February 12, 2012 Obertan should have been keeping an eye on Assou Ekotto, instead he was chilling on the edge of the box Quite right. With the attack coming down our left, the defence will generally be pulled one place to the left, resulting in the player in front of the right back tracking back and becoming the default right back and picking up either the opposition left half or left back. This never happened. As for where Obertan was...I couldnt see him on screen so he could have been chilling on the edge of the box. Suffice to say he was nowhere close to where he should have been. As a little kid starting to play football for my first proper club, our coach drilled this into our wingers much the same as when we are say, attacking on the left and one of our strikers moves over to assist the left winger who then manages to get a cross in. It is expected that our right winger be in the opposition box, at times on the far post. So the scary thing is, this kind of defensive swivelling is taught at an early age and yet we have PL players who cannot execute it. Obertan's absence was glaring and cost us big time and he did nothing else thereafter to make up for it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zero Posted February 12, 2012 Share Posted February 12, 2012 I can't agree with that. NEVER. How in the earth could a right back position himself at the FRONT post at that moment? Jesus fucking christ. I don't care how much of you wanna make Obertan as a scapegoat but FFS how can Simpson not in the centre, nevermind the BACK post, when Adebayor was heavily marked and just manage to put in a weak ground cross? That was a disastrous error by Simpson, he should have easily clear the ball if he was in the right position, yet you are blaming Obertan instead of Simpson? He was at fault for their 2nd goal as well. I would have Raylor over Simpson at any day. At least Raylor would chase back and make a sliding block instead of standing still and attempt to try an offside trap at that moment. Horrible judgement. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted February 12, 2012 Share Posted February 12, 2012 Some naive, if not childish thinking going on in here. The first goal was a collective failure. Simpson was coming into the middle to cover saha so Williamson could back up Colo should adebayor get passed him. I'd more think it was the job of any of the midfielders to either get back with either saha,adebayor so willo can mark saha or back up colo. Do people on here really think our team should mark man for man throughout the 90mins ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ToonZA Posted February 12, 2012 Share Posted February 12, 2012 Simpson is an average PL right back. full stop. He will play well when surrounded by better players who not only assist him defensively, but collects the ball from him and then continue attacking the opposition. As long as the opposition is forced to defend, they will struggle to form attacks that could expose Simpson. He will look excellent with a defensive minded player ahead of him. He will also look good if the opposition left is poor in an attacking sense. Hence, he played well at the start of the season surrounded by the now missing Saylor, Tiote, Cabaye; and taking into the account the opposition we were playing. Right now he is being shown up because those players are not around and we are consequently struggling to consistently : a) Provide enough clear options to our defence. (The options that do exist require players with greater passing ability than Simpson [Colo on a good day finds almost all the options easily because of his superior passing ability]) b) Control possession and create attacks that push the opposition back resulting is less time defending time for us c) Supply our strikers with quality balls (Resulting in more of Simpson's Beckhamesque crosses) He also does not have a quality player ahead of him, or next to him; exposing his limitations even further. Now this is not a post to provide excuses for his performances. I am just trying to fathom why it is he looked good early on in the season and now looks hapless. The thing is that if you are truly a quality right back, all of the above would merely be an inconvenience to an otherwise enjoyable 90 mins of football. If you are Danny Simpson, the above is a catastrophe from which he is unable to recover. And therein lies the answer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zero Posted February 12, 2012 Share Posted February 12, 2012 Simpson is at the front post. Watch the reply again. I wouldn't be that mad if he is at the middle. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted February 12, 2012 Share Posted February 12, 2012 Watch willo wave him in to cover saha. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zero Posted February 12, 2012 Share Posted February 12, 2012 Watch willo wave him in to cover saha. No, not the 2nd goal, I mean the 1st. Simpson is at the front post. 2nd goal they have to share the blame. Willi should block the cross, Simpson shouldn't try an offside trap. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainhaircut Posted February 12, 2012 Share Posted February 12, 2012 There's no way he's to blame for the first. It's not his job to mark the opposition left back. The second is a joint fault between him and Williamson. Williamson picked up a poor position, Simpson showed no energy to properly track Saha. In general, he's just a terrible player. A couple of clearances of the line aside, he's not a strong defender. Positionally, 1-on-1, decision making and taking responsibility are all weaknesses. Santon has similar weaknesses but he isn't scared of the ball, is 21, has just moved to a new country, is recently converted to full back and despite what anyone says is playing on the wrong side. One of the issues must be that the rest of the players know Simpson is useless. Villa's goal last week being a prime example. Colo charged out to N'Zogbia because he knew Simpson wouldn't deal with him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ToonZA Posted February 12, 2012 Share Posted February 12, 2012 Some naive, if not childish thinking going on in here. The first goal was a collective failure. Simpson was coming into the middle to cover saha so Williamson could back up Colo should adebayor get passed him. I'd more think it was the job of any of the midfielders to either get back with either saha,adebayor so willo can mark saha or back up colo. Do people on here really think our team should mark man for man throughout the 90mins ? It was a collective failure, agreed. My post was not to point out where Simpson or the other defenders were. The opposition left back scored without a player in sight, after running quite a distance. Who was closest to him? Who did he run past on his way to scoring? As for man marking for 90 mins.....not sure how you came to that expectation. I would say though that you should mark the bloody man in the first four minutes of the game and the rest of the 86 might have gone better. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufc4eva Posted February 12, 2012 Share Posted February 12, 2012 I just think him and Williamson are totally shit not a brain between them - Santon was not great either but Better than Simpson. Would rather have santon n Ferguson on as they have technique at least Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebellious Posted February 12, 2012 Share Posted February 12, 2012 It all happened so quick, All I remember was Obertan watching from near the centre circle as usual. For the first ober or perch should have been at the back post as colo went out to cover for Santon and everyone shifted over a place. Willi, Krul and Simpson all missed the chance to cut the ball out, Ober or Perch should have been marking that big haired freak that scored. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zero Posted February 12, 2012 Share Posted February 12, 2012 There's no way he's to blame for the first. It's not his job to mark the opposition left back. When dealing with cross, positioning is much more important then marking. Marking opponent's left back "could be" Obertan's job, but before that Simpson should stay in the CORRECT position instead of marking anyone, or staying at the front post. He got it very, very wrong. It's front post, man. It's the opposite side! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zero Posted February 12, 2012 Share Posted February 12, 2012 It all happened so quick, All I remember was Obertan watching from near the centre circle as usual. For the first ober or perch should have been at the back post as colo went out to cover for Santon and everyone shifted over a place. Willi, Krul and Simpson all missed the chance to cut the ball out, Ober or Perch should have been marking that big haired freak that scored. Perch should be at the front post, Guthrie should be around the penalty spot, Simpson should be at the back post, or at least the space between Guthrie and Krul. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weezertron Posted February 12, 2012 Share Posted February 12, 2012 I wouldn't mind him if it wasn't for his face. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJM Posted February 12, 2012 Share Posted February 12, 2012 Simpson takes up the correct position for the first goal, providing cover in the middle. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledGeordie Posted February 12, 2012 Share Posted February 12, 2012 On the sofa with Best and Ba on goals on sunday at 11am................ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TurboTrev Posted February 12, 2012 Share Posted February 12, 2012 Simpson is an average PL right back. full stop. He will play well when surrounded by better players who not only assist him defensively, but collects the ball from him and then continue attacking the opposition. As long as the opposition is forced to defend, they will struggle to form attacks that could expose Simpson. He will look excellent with a defensive minded player ahead of him. He will also look good if the opposition left is poor in an attacking sense. Hence, he played well at the start of the season surrounded by the now missing Saylor, Tiote, Cabaye; and taking into the account the opposition we were playing. Right now he is being shown up because those players are not around and we are consequently struggling to consistently : a) Provide enough clear options to our defence. (The options that do exist require players with greater passing ability than Simpson [Colo on a good day finds almost all the options easily because of his superior passing ability]) b) Control possession and create attacks that push the opposition back resulting is less time defending time for us c) Supply our strikers with quality balls (Resulting in more of Simpson's Beckhamesque crosses) He also does not have a quality player ahead of him, or next to him; exposing his limitations even further. Now this is not a post to provide excuses for his performances. I am just trying to fathom why it is he looked good early on in the season and now looks hapless. The thing is that if you are truly a quality right back, all of the above would merely be an inconvenience to an otherwise enjoyable 90 mins of football. If you are Danny Simpson, the above is a catastrophe from which he is unable to recover. And therein lies the answer. Agree with 99% of that (could never use the word excellent, even hypothetically!). Squad player at best. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainhaircut Posted February 12, 2012 Share Posted February 12, 2012 Simpson is an average PL right back. full stop. He will play well when surrounded by better players who not only assist him defensively, but collects the ball from him and then continue attacking the opposition. As long as the opposition is forced to defend, they will struggle to form attacks that could expose Simpson. He will look excellent with a defensive minded player ahead of him. He will also look good if the opposition left is poor in an attacking sense. Hence, he played well at the start of the season surrounded by the now missing Saylor, Tiote, Cabaye; and taking into the account the opposition we were playing. Right now he is being shown up because those players are not around and we are consequently struggling to consistently : a) Provide enough clear options to our defence. (The options that do exist require players with greater passing ability than Simpson [Colo on a good day finds almost all the options easily because of his superior passing ability]) b) Control possession and create attacks that push the opposition back resulting is less time defending time for us c) Supply our strikers with quality balls (Resulting in more of Simpson's Beckhamesque crosses) He also does not have a quality player ahead of him, or next to him; exposing his limitations even further. Now this is not a post to provide excuses for his performances. I am just trying to fathom why it is he looked good early on in the season and now looks hapless. The thing is that if you are truly a quality right back, all of the above would merely be an inconvenience to an otherwise enjoyable 90 mins of football. If you are Danny Simpson, the above is a catastrophe from which he is unable to recover. And therein lies the answer. Agree with 99% of that (could never use the word excellent, even hypothetically!). Squad player at best. He didn't look good earlier in the season. He was utter shit and everyone made excuses for him by saying it was because his kid was ill. As upsetting as that will have been, his recent form shows that had no bearing at all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Crooks Posted February 12, 2012 Share Posted February 12, 2012 He's one of a couple of passengers that you just can't carry at this level. 'Excellent with good players around him'wouldn't cut it even I subscribed to that viewpoint. He is very technically poor and having Williamson who has similar frailties means we are carrying players that offer very little in games where you can barely get away with carrying one. Pardew's hands are tied to some extent with a thin squad and frugal leadership who were spiltting hairs over the price of the likes of Mariappa; who would have possibly provided decent RB and CB cover. I guess we'll never know. I've always believed the way you set up at the back dictates whether you play long ball or passing football; currently only our captain and a young lad whose best position is debated are able to provide this, with the other side having a mortal fear of the ball at all times. Ferguson needs a chance to bring some footballing nous to the back. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH Posted February 12, 2012 Share Posted February 12, 2012 Taking the piss out of Simpson's defending on GoS Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ToonZA Posted February 12, 2012 Share Posted February 12, 2012 Simpson is an average PL right back. full stop. He will play well when surrounded by better players who not only assist him defensively, but collects the ball from him and then continue attacking the opposition. As long as the opposition is forced to defend, they will struggle to form attacks that could expose Simpson. He will look excellent with a defensive minded player ahead of him. He will also look good if the opposition left is poor in an attacking sense. Hence, he played well at the start of the season surrounded by the now missing Saylor, Tiote, Cabaye; and taking into the account the opposition we were playing. Right now he is being shown up because those players are not around and we are consequently struggling to consistently : a) Provide enough clear options to our defence. (The options that do exist require players with greater passing ability than Simpson [Colo on a good day finds almost all the options easily because of his superior passing ability]) b) Control possession and create attacks that push the opposition back resulting is less time defending time for us c) Supply our strikers with quality balls (Resulting in more of Simpson's Beckhamesque crosses) He also does not have a quality player ahead of him, or next to him; exposing his limitations even further. Now this is not a post to provide excuses for his performances. I am just trying to fathom why it is he looked good early on in the season and now looks hapless. The thing is that if you are truly a quality right back, all of the above would merely be an inconvenience to an otherwise enjoyable 90 mins of football. If you are Danny Simpson, the above is a catastrophe from which he is unable to recover. And therein lies the answer. Okay....."excellent" is being hopelessly optimistic........lets leave it at "decent" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH Posted February 12, 2012 Share Posted February 12, 2012 Simmo saying that Spurs are the best team we've played this season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
loki679 Posted February 12, 2012 Share Posted February 12, 2012 Cisse scored wearing Steve Harpers boots Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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