Mick Posted December 22, 2009 Share Posted December 22, 2009 Hindsight is a wonderful thing, but I don't remember too many complaints at the time when we replaced Bellamy with Owen. I remember quite a few and I was one of them who didn't want Owen. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted December 22, 2009 Share Posted December 22, 2009 When it gets to the point where a player is feigning injury to prove a point about where he wants to play though, you have to draw a line somewhere. Was that the same Bellamy who pulled the sickie because he wanted to go and see Shepherd? He wasn't refusing to play a game, he tried to get out of training early. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest samjack Posted December 22, 2009 Share Posted December 22, 2009 Why do alot of you lot seem to think Given was disloyal to NUFC.......get real man, he could have walked years before he did. And i doubt very much that we got relegated because he went to Man City....i think it was more to do with the fact that we were shit from back to front. This situation with Hughes is pathetic & i think Given & Bellamy are probably is just echoing what 99% of their fans are saying....not to mention football fans in general. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted December 22, 2009 Share Posted December 22, 2009 Could you not argue the same about Bellamy a) for threatening to leave if we'd signed Rooney and b) not playing in a different position when the manager felt it was for the good of the team? I think you're confusing Bellamy with Dyer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superior Acuña Posted December 22, 2009 Share Posted December 22, 2009 Despite our differences, Bellamy's best memories must be here. He's never settled anywhere since he left, and thought Man City would be his first. Coventry - 1 year, Newcastle - 3.5 years (+ Celtic .5 year), Blackburn - 1 year, Liverpool - 1 year, West Ham 1.5 years, Man City? If he could settle somewhere he could do so well. Wouldn't comeback of course, at least in our situation. Were the texts def. true? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Heneage Posted December 22, 2009 Share Posted December 22, 2009 The pair of them feigned injuries when they weren't happy it just took Shay a bit longer to snap. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liam Liam Liam O Posted December 22, 2009 Share Posted December 22, 2009 Despite our differences, Bellamy's best memories must be here. He's never settled anywhere since he left, and thought Man City would be his first. Coventry - 1 year, Newcastle - 3.5 years (+ Celtic .5 year), Blackburn - 1 year, Liverpool - 1 year, West Ham 1.5 years, Man City? If he could settle somewhere he could do so well. Wouldn't comeback of course, at least in our situation. Were the texts def. true? Every second permanent transfer there is a step up to be fair. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted December 22, 2009 Share Posted December 22, 2009 Bellamy's stock >>>>> Newcastle's stock. Even if we go up. Not a chance he'll come back. Easily good enough for any team in Man City's position. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
juniatmoko Posted December 22, 2009 Share Posted December 22, 2009 that's what you get when go to big club with big ambition... shay! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superior Acuña Posted December 22, 2009 Share Posted December 22, 2009 Despite our differences, Bellamy's best memories must be here. He's never settled anywhere since he left, and thought Man City would be his first. Coventry - 1 year, Newcastle - 3.5 years (+ Celtic .5 year), Blackburn - 1 year, Liverpool - 1 year, West Ham 1.5 years, Man City? If he could settle somewhere he could do so well. Wouldn't comeback of course, at least in our situation. Were the texts def. true? Every second permanent transfer there is a step up to be fair. Not overall. He's gone from top 3/4 with Newcastle to upper-mid table since, with 1 year back in the top 4. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liam Liam Liam O Posted December 22, 2009 Share Posted December 22, 2009 Despite our differences, Bellamy's best memories must be here. He's never settled anywhere since he left, and thought Man City would be his first. Coventry - 1 year, Newcastle - 3.5 years (+ Celtic .5 year), Blackburn - 1 year, Liverpool - 1 year, West Ham 1.5 years, Man City? If he could settle somewhere he could do so well. Wouldn't comeback of course, at least in our situation. Were the texts def. true? Every second permanent transfer there is a step up to be fair. Not overall. He's gone from top 3/4 with Newcastle to upper-mid table since, with 1 year back in the top 4. Eh? Coventry to Newcastle = step up Blackburn to Liverpool = step up West Ham to Man City = step up He's a top quality player who has turned out far better than the manager who ditched him here ever thought he would. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superior Acuña Posted December 22, 2009 Share Posted December 22, 2009 Despite our differences, Bellamy's best memories must be here. He's never settled anywhere since he left, and thought Man City would be his first. Coventry - 1 year, Newcastle - 3.5 years (+ Celtic .5 year), Blackburn - 1 year, Liverpool - 1 year, West Ham 1.5 years, Man City? If he could settle somewhere he could do so well. Wouldn't comeback of course, at least in our situation. Were the texts def. true? Every second permanent transfer there is a step up to be fair. Not overall. He's gone from top 3/4 with Newcastle to upper-mid table since, with 1 year back in the top 4. Eh? Coventry to Newcastle = step up Blackburn to Liverpool = step up West Ham to Man City = step up He's a top quality player who has turned out far better than the manager who ditched him here ever thought he would. Yes, but an overall trajectory of decline since Newcastle. Man City, West Ham and Blackburn are obviously in worse positions, and his 1 year at Liverpool, equal (but with less game time). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liam Liam Liam O Posted December 22, 2009 Share Posted December 22, 2009 Despite our differences, Bellamy's best memories must be here. He's never settled anywhere since he left, and thought Man City would be his first. Coventry - 1 year, Newcastle - 3.5 years (+ Celtic .5 year), Blackburn - 1 year, Liverpool - 1 year, West Ham 1.5 years, Man City? If he could settle somewhere he could do so well. Wouldn't comeback of course, at least in our situation. Were the texts def. true? Every second permanent transfer there is a step up to be fair. Not overall. He's gone from top 3/4 with Newcastle to upper-mid table since, with 1 year back in the top 4. Eh? Coventry to Newcastle = step up Blackburn to Liverpool = step up West Ham to Man City = step up He's a top quality player who has turned out far better than the manager who ditched him here ever thought he would. Yes, but an overall trajectory of decline since Newcastle. Man City, West Ham and Blackburn are obviously in worse positions, and his 1 year at Liverpool, equal (but with less game time). Contrast that with our fortunes since then? He had a fantastic season at Blackburn which got him his move to Liverpool, and did well enough at West Ham to earn a move to Man City. You say he's doing no better there, but he's arguably their best player despite the money they've spent and has been one of the best players in the Premier League this season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superior Acuña Posted December 22, 2009 Share Posted December 22, 2009 Despite our differences, Bellamy's best memories must be here. He's never settled anywhere since he left, and thought Man City would be his first. Coventry - 1 year, Newcastle - 3.5 years (+ Celtic .5 year), Blackburn - 1 year, Liverpool - 1 year, West Ham 1.5 years, Man City? If he could settle somewhere he could do so well. Wouldn't comeback of course, at least in our situation. Were the texts def. true? Every second permanent transfer there is a step up to be fair. Not overall. He's gone from top 3/4 with Newcastle to upper-mid table since, with 1 year back in the top 4. Eh? Coventry to Newcastle = step up Blackburn to Liverpool = step up West Ham to Man City = step up He's a top quality player who has turned out far better than the manager who ditched him here ever thought he would. Yes, but an overall trajectory of decline since Newcastle. Man City, West Ham and Blackburn are obviously in worse positions, and his 1 year at Liverpool, equal (but with less game time). Contrast that with our fortunes since then? He had a fantastic season at Blackburn which got him his move to Liverpool, and did well enough at West Ham to earn a move to Man City. You say he's doing no better there, but he's arguably their best player despite the money they've spent and has been one of the best players in the Premier League this season. I'm not saying he's declined as a player, I'm saying his clubs/positions have. The only club he's had a stable place at the top of the league is here. He came, 4th,3rd and 5th here. He dropped to Blackburn, went back up to Liverpool who were no better than us at the time he was here and didn't play much, dropped to West Ham, and went up to Man City who haven't and won't finish as high as his time here (or Liverpool). = Overall trajectory of decline. ___ ____ ___ ____ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest toonlass Posted December 22, 2009 Share Posted December 22, 2009 Despite our differences, Bellamy's best memories must be here. He's never settled anywhere since he left, and thought Man City would be his first. Coventry - 1 year, Newcastle - 3.5 years (+ Celtic .5 year), Blackburn - 1 year, Liverpool - 1 year, West Ham 1.5 years, Man City? If he could settle somewhere he could do so well. Wouldn't comeback of course, at least in our situation. Were the texts def. true? Every second permanent transfer there is a step up to be fair. Not overall. He's gone from top 3/4 with Newcastle to upper-mid table since, with 1 year back in the top 4. Eh? Coventry to Newcastle = step up Blackburn to Liverpool = step up West Ham to Man City = step up He's a top quality player who has turned out far better than the manager who ditched him here ever thought he would. Yes, but an overall trajectory of decline since Newcastle. Man City, West Ham and Blackburn are obviously in worse positions, and his 1 year at Liverpool, equal (but with less game time). Contrast that with our fortunes since then? He had a fantastic season at Blackburn which got him his move to Liverpool, and did well enough at West Ham to earn a move to Man City. You say he's doing no better there, but he's arguably their best player despite the money they've spent and has been one of the best players in the Premier League this season. I'm not saying he's declined as a player, I'm saying his clubs/positions have. The only club he's had a stable place at the top of the league is here. He came, 4th,3rd and 5th here. He dropped to Blackburn, went back up to Liverpool who were no better than us at the time he was here and didn't play much, dropped to West Ham, and went up to Man City who haven't and won't finish as high as his time here (or Liverpool). = Overall trajectory of decline. To be fair though, I bet his wages are not disimilar to what he was on here, probably more tbh. The lad has made some sensible moves. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest marky555 Posted December 22, 2009 Share Posted December 22, 2009 It was always a matter of time. Given was ether going to become unhappy or City were going to find a bigger name in the 'keeper world. Given, Beye and Bassong all failing to settle properly; that's what happens when you walk the plank too early. Given walking the plank too early? Aye areet then. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liam Liam Liam O Posted December 22, 2009 Share Posted December 22, 2009 Despite our differences, Bellamy's best memories must be here. He's never settled anywhere since he left, and thought Man City would be his first. Coventry - 1 year, Newcastle - 3.5 years (+ Celtic .5 year), Blackburn - 1 year, Liverpool - 1 year, West Ham 1.5 years, Man City? If he could settle somewhere he could do so well. Wouldn't comeback of course, at least in our situation. Were the texts def. true? Every second permanent transfer there is a step up to be fair. Not overall. He's gone from top 3/4 with Newcastle to upper-mid table since, with 1 year back in the top 4. Eh? Coventry to Newcastle = step up Blackburn to Liverpool = step up West Ham to Man City = step up He's a top quality player who has turned out far better than the manager who ditched him here ever thought he would. Yes, but an overall trajectory of decline since Newcastle. Man City, West Ham and Blackburn are obviously in worse positions, and his 1 year at Liverpool, equal (but with less game time). Contrast that with our fortunes since then? He had a fantastic season at Blackburn which got him his move to Liverpool, and did well enough at West Ham to earn a move to Man City. You say he's doing no better there, but he's arguably their best player despite the money they've spent and has been one of the best players in the Premier League this season. What? I said his every second move on that list was a move up and you challenged it, now your post above is agreeing with me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest toonlass Posted December 22, 2009 Share Posted December 22, 2009 It was always a matter of time. Given was ether going to become unhappy or City were going to find a bigger name in the 'keeper world. Given, Beye and Bassong all failing to settle properly; that's what happens when you walk the plank too early. Given walking the plank too early? Aye areet then. The Given thing has been done to death. Some people (including me) are angry at the way he orchastrated his move out of the club. Some people think it was ok. Why do we have to do this again? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superior Acuña Posted December 22, 2009 Share Posted December 22, 2009 Despite our differences, Bellamy's best memories must be here. He's never settled anywhere since he left, and thought Man City would be his first. Coventry - 1 year, Newcastle - 3.5 years (+ Celtic .5 year), Blackburn - 1 year, Liverpool - 1 year, West Ham 1.5 years, Man City? If he could settle somewhere he could do so well. Wouldn't comeback of course, at least in our situation. Were the texts def. true? Every second permanent transfer there is a step up to be fair. Not overall. He's gone from top 3/4 with Newcastle to upper-mid table since, with 1 year back in the top 4. Eh? Coventry to Newcastle = step up Blackburn to Liverpool = step up West Ham to Man City = step up He's a top quality player who has turned out far better than the manager who ditched him here ever thought he would. Yes, but an overall trajectory of decline since Newcastle. Man City, West Ham and Blackburn are obviously in worse positions, and his 1 year at Liverpool, equal (but with less game time). Contrast that with our fortunes since then? He had a fantastic season at Blackburn which got him his move to Liverpool, and did well enough at West Ham to earn a move to Man City. You say he's doing no better there, but he's arguably their best player despite the money they've spent and has been one of the best players in the Premier League this season. What? I said his every second move on that list was a move up and you challenged it, now your post above is agreeing with me. I was just pointing out that it wasn't a cumulative step up every other club. For example, every other could mean 5,4,6,5,7,6,8, but it's more like 8,7,8,6,7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liam Liam Liam O Posted December 22, 2009 Share Posted December 22, 2009 Despite our differences, Bellamy's best memories must be here. He's never settled anywhere since he left, and thought Man City would be his first. Coventry - 1 year, Newcastle - 3.5 years (+ Celtic .5 year), Blackburn - 1 year, Liverpool - 1 year, West Ham 1.5 years, Man City? If he could settle somewhere he could do so well. Wouldn't comeback of course, at least in our situation. Were the texts def. true? Every second permanent transfer there is a step up to be fair. Not overall. He's gone from top 3/4 with Newcastle to upper-mid table since, with 1 year back in the top 4. Eh? Coventry to Newcastle = step up Blackburn to Liverpool = step up West Ham to Man City = step up He's a top quality player who has turned out far better than the manager who ditched him here ever thought he would. Yes, but an overall trajectory of decline since Newcastle. Man City, West Ham and Blackburn are obviously in worse positions, and his 1 year at Liverpool, equal (but with less game time). Contrast that with our fortunes since then? He had a fantastic season at Blackburn which got him his move to Liverpool, and did well enough at West Ham to earn a move to Man City. You say he's doing no better there, but he's arguably their best player despite the money they've spent and has been one of the best players in the Premier League this season. What? I said his every second move on that list was a move up and you challenged it, now your post above is agreeing with me. I was just pointing out that it wasn't a cumulative step up every other club. For example, every other could mean 5,4,6,5,7,6,8, but it's more like 8,7,8,6,7 So which one do you disagree with? Coventry to Newcastle = step up Blackburn to Liverpool = step up West Ham to Man City = step up He's done far better for himself that we have since he left. Really don't see how you can compare us playing in the championship now with Bellamy's career since he left and say he hasn't done as well for himself. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest SupermacTheLegend Posted December 22, 2009 Share Posted December 22, 2009 Both of them are wankers imo, both Deserters. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superior Acuña Posted December 22, 2009 Share Posted December 22, 2009 Despite our differences, Bellamy's best memories must be here. He's never settled anywhere since he left, and thought Man City would be his first. Coventry - 1 year, Newcastle - 3.5 years (+ Celtic .5 year), Blackburn - 1 year, Liverpool - 1 year, West Ham 1.5 years, Man City? If he could settle somewhere he could do so well. Wouldn't comeback of course, at least in our situation. Were the texts def. true? Every second permanent transfer there is a step up to be fair. Not overall. He's gone from top 3/4 with Newcastle to upper-mid table since, with 1 year back in the top 4. Eh? Coventry to Newcastle = step up Blackburn to Liverpool = step up West Ham to Man City = step up He's a top quality player who has turned out far better than the manager who ditched him here ever thought he would. Yes, but an overall trajectory of decline since Newcastle. Man City, West Ham and Blackburn are obviously in worse positions, and his 1 year at Liverpool, equal (but with less game time). Contrast that with our fortunes since then? He had a fantastic season at Blackburn which got him his move to Liverpool, and did well enough at West Ham to earn a move to Man City. You say he's doing no better there, but he's arguably their best player despite the money they've spent and has been one of the best players in the Premier League this season. What? I said his every second move on that list was a move up and you challenged it, now your post above is agreeing with me. I was just pointing out that it wasn't a cumulative step up every other club. For example, every other could mean 5,4,6,5,7,6,8, but it's more like 8,7,8,6,7 So which one do you disagree with? Coventry to Newcastle = step up Blackburn to Liverpool = step up West Ham to Man City = step up He's done far better for himself that we have since he left. Really don't see how you can compare us playing in the championship now with Bellamy's career since he left and say he hasn't done as well for himself. FFS, I can't be arsed anymore. I didn't compare that, and I didn't dispute any of those individual step ups. Are you reading my posts? Do you not understand some of my words or something? You seem intent on creating an argument. I'm going to type this, and if you don't understand it, then it's not worth asking me anymore: Bellamy-era Newcastle > Current Man City Although every other club has been 'bigger' (or whatever), the net result has been a drop. This does not mean to say he would have been better staying at Newcastle or he's declined as a player. He's improved every other team, but the cumulative process has been a drop. If you imagine it as a line graph, it will oscillate, but since (and including Newcastle), every other point is lower and the first point is higher than the last, despite the fact the last point is an increase from the previous one. Like how I attempted to crudely represent with underscores and then numbers. To further clarify, I'm not talking about his performance, I'm talking about the 'step-up' in team stature. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest optimistic nit Posted December 22, 2009 Share Posted December 22, 2009 Souness made his own problems, he can't blame Robson for them. He was given enough money to improve an already strong squad, instead he decimated it. Hindsight is a wonderful thing, but I don't remember too many complaints at the time when we replaced Bellamy with Owen. I thought owen was shearers replacement? if not who was? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest optimistic nit Posted December 22, 2009 Share Posted December 22, 2009 Despite our differences, Bellamy's best memories must be here. He's never settled anywhere since he left, and thought Man City would be his first. Coventry - 1 year, Newcastle - 3.5 years (+ Celtic .5 year), Blackburn - 1 year, Liverpool - 1 year, West Ham 1.5 years, Man City? If he could settle somewhere he could do so well. Wouldn't comeback of course, at least in our situation. Were the texts def. true? Every second permanent transfer there is a step up to be fair. Not overall. He's gone from top 3/4 with Newcastle to upper-mid table since, with 1 year back in the top 4. Eh? Coventry to Newcastle = step up Blackburn to Liverpool = step up West Ham to Man City = step up He's a top quality player who has turned out far better than the manager who ditched him here ever thought he would. pretty much. just watched the recorded motd program from last week and bellamy was absolutely brilliant. set up the first 2 goals, scored the 3rd, was involved in the build up for the forth and made a brilliant knockdown for ireland whose shot was tipped over. get bellamy playing in a system that suits him and he's a class striker, there is no arguing that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest optimistic nit Posted December 22, 2009 Share Posted December 22, 2009 Despite our differences, Bellamy's best memories must be here. He's never settled anywhere since he left, and thought Man City would be his first. Coventry - 1 year, Newcastle - 3.5 years (+ Celtic .5 year), Blackburn - 1 year, Liverpool - 1 year, West Ham 1.5 years, Man City? If he could settle somewhere he could do so well. Wouldn't comeback of course, at least in our situation. Were the texts def. true? Every second permanent transfer there is a step up to be fair. Not overall. He's gone from top 3/4 with Newcastle to upper-mid table since, with 1 year back in the top 4. Eh? Coventry to Newcastle = step up Blackburn to Liverpool = step up West Ham to Man City = step up He's a top quality player who has turned out far better than the manager who ditched him here ever thought he would. Yes, but an overall trajectory of decline since Newcastle. Man City, West Ham and Blackburn are obviously in worse positions, and his 1 year at Liverpool, equal (but with less game time). Contrast that with our fortunes since then? He had a fantastic season at Blackburn which got him his move to Liverpool, and did well enough at West Ham to earn a move to Man City. You say he's doing no better there, but he's arguably their best player despite the money they've spent and has been one of the best players in the Premier League this season. What? I said his every second move on that list was a move up and you challenged it, now your post above is agreeing with me. I was just pointing out that it wasn't a cumulative step up every other club. For example, every other could mean 5,4,6,5,7,6,8, but it's more like 8,7,8,6,7 So which one do you disagree with? Coventry to Newcastle = step up Blackburn to Liverpool = step up West Ham to Man City = step up He's done far better for himself that we have since he left. Really don't see how you can compare us playing in the championship now with Bellamy's career since he left and say he hasn't done as well for himself. FFS, I can't be arsed anymore. I didn't compare that, and I didn't dispute any of those individual step ups. Are you reading my posts? Do you not understand some of my words or something? You seem intent on creating an argument. I'm going to type this, and if you don't understand it, then it's not worth asking me anymore: Bellamy-era Newcastle > Current Man City Although he's improved every other club, the net result has been a drop. This does not mean to say he would have been better staying at Newcastle or he's declined as a player. He's improved every other team, but the cumulative process has been a drop. If you imagine it as a line graph, it will oscillate, but since (and including Newcastle), every other point is lower and the first point is higher than the last, despite the fact the last point is an increase from the previous one. Like how I attempted to crudely represent with underscores and then numbers. what point are you trying to make? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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