Is Mike Ashley steering Newcastle United in the right direction?

[David Icke - Son of God]

macca888

[Guest icemanblue]

macca888

 

Seconded.

[Guest guinness_fiend]

If the question is contemporaneous in nature, yes - despite making a colossal balls-up of everything last season, he is currently steering us in the right direction.

 

Whether he continues to do so come May is another thing entirely.

[David Icke - Son of God]

If the question is contemporaneous in nature, yes - despite making a colossal balls-up of everything last season, he is currently steering us in the right direction.

 

Whether he continues to do so come May is another thing entirely.

 

I get the feeling he's took leave of of wheel, hoyed the sail up and thankfully the wind has changed direction.

[Guest bobthemag]

macca888

 

Seconded.

 

 

soopafan 

[BottledDog]

In all fairness Ashley did have a very good plan to run the club when he took over. I don't think there was one supporter who complaind about his plans for the club. All this talk about ashley gambling is complete bollolks. it looked as though he had a plan that couldn't go wrong, "buy young talant with his new scouting system" and appointed the greatest ever manager newcastle has ever had"

but one thing is for sure, his scouting system was and is not a mistake, but appointing a manager like Keegan who is great, but also a huge drama queen was the biggest mistake he could make. he needed a man who understould what he was going to do in his longterm buisness plan. And I think Keegan wanted instant rusaults. Keegan and ashley werent on the same page at all, so Keegan left, fans got crazy, and club went down.

I know I'll get slated for this, but give Ashley a couple of years to get used to owning a club like newcastle and he will understand what it's all about. I think his ideas are very good, and the prospect of cleaning our debt will benift as "BIG TIME" in the future.

After all owning a club like Newcastle must be the toughest job in the world. 

 

He's only had almost 3 years, how much longer does he need?

well hasnt he been tolerable this season, major fuckups not really around willing to spend cash in jan to ensure promotion if llambias could f*** off everything would be fine

I’d say the renaming of the ground was a f*** up, as was starting season without a permanent manager.

 

The meagre spend in January is given far too much credit. Ashley spent the absolute bare minimum he thought he could get away with to cover any possible injuries problems. When we were looking good for promotion under KK the board went out and spent serious money on Andy Cole, who went on to serve us well in the PL until he was sold for a 400% profit. This time we went out and bought Best for next to nought, we couldn’t even compete with Wigan for Moses.

 

 

Or, looked at without the gosh-how-I-miss-my-Fweddie glasses on, during that transfer window we were probably the most active club in the top two divisions in terms of getting players in.

I think you’ll find SJH was in charge of the purse strings last time we went up. Not that it matters, my point was (until you tried to turn this into another debate about Shepherd, you’re obsessed with him) that the investment in January wasn’t the big w*** fest it’s frequently made out to be.

all people said was that we bought well, not that it was the best window ever. you'll rememebr in that summer under hall many weren't happy that our only signing was beardsley (allen only coming in because of beardsleys injury)

No, it’s put forward as evidence that he’s learnt from his mistakes. When in fact it could just as easily be another variation on the short sighted minimum investment policy that got us relegated.

 

The failure to land Moses is interesting. A highly rated young player who Hughton said we were after who ended up at Wigan. Was it the £2.5m price tag that scuppered our attempt to sign him, or was he attracted by the bright lights of Wigan? Or perhaps we couldn’t match the wages Wigan were offering. Whichever way you look at it looks like NUFC weren’t interested in building for next season.

 

yes the moses thing was ineteresting...perhaps they didn't want to pay what they considered to be over the odds (like most every other prem team bar wigan)

Or perhaps they aren’t prepared to pay the market rate and we will only sign players our competitors in the PL aren’t interested in.

Hughton himself said ‘our efforts to sign Moses is a combination for now and the future. The most important thing is to get promoted, but there has also been an eye on the future’. And then our  eye on the future was scuppered by Wigan and their outrageous wage structure.

 

If we can't compete with big spending Wigan the quality of player we bring in is unlikely to move the club forward. We’ll get promoted and that will be the end of our progress - which some will no doubt find highly amusing.

 

or maybe he just wanted too much. even if its wigan if someone wants more than you think they are worth you don't do it.

At the end of the day Wigan got Moses and we got Best. A million maybes doesn’t change that, or what happens on the pitch.

 

This season has been a great example of how wages influence results. How Hughton would have fared if he’d had to operate within Scunthorpe’s wage structure we’ll never know, but it’s looking like we find out how good he is at managing the division’s poor relations over the next few years.

 

do you know if best or moses are on the bigger wage ?

 

as for the rest it'll make a change to underperforming at an unmanagable wage structure.......................unless of course you think the banks would have let us borrow more ?

 

are you happy that Wigan are buying better players than we are ?

 

 

 

Since when has a 2nd division team been able to turn heads and hold its own against a top division side on transfers. It's delusional to think we had a chance once the Premiership sides got involved.

[Howaythelads]

In all fairness Ashley did have a very good plan to run the club when he took over. I don't think there was one supporter who complaind about his plans for the club. All this talk about ashley gambling is complete bollolks. it looked as though he had a plan that couldn't go wrong, "buy young talant with his new scouting system" and appointed the greatest ever manager newcastle has ever had"

but one thing is for sure, his scouting system was and is not a mistake, but appointing a manager like Keegan who is great, but also a huge drama queen was the biggest mistake he could make. he needed a man who understould what he was going to do in his longterm buisness plan. And I think Keegan wanted instant rusaults. Keegan and ashley werent on the same page at all, so Keegan left, fans got crazy, and club went down.

I know I'll get slated for this, but give Ashley a couple of years to get used to owning a club like newcastle and he will understand what it's all about. I think his ideas are very good, and the prospect of cleaning our debt will benift as "BIG TIME" in the future.

After all owning a club like Newcastle must be the toughest job in the world. 

 

He's only had almost 3 years, how much longer does he need?

well hasnt he been tolerable this season, major fuckups not really around willing to spend cash in jan to ensure promotion if llambias could f*** off everything would be fine

I’d say the renaming of the ground was a f*** up, as was starting season without a permanent manager.

 

The meagre spend in January is given far too much credit. Ashley spent the absolute bare minimum he thought he could get away with to cover any possible injuries problems. When we were looking good for promotion under KK the board went out and spent serious money on Andy Cole, who went on to serve us well in the PL until he was sold for a 400% profit. This time we went out and bought Best for next to nought, we couldn’t even compete with Wigan for Moses.

 

 

Or, looked at without the gosh-how-I-miss-my-Fweddie glasses on, during that transfer window we were probably the most active club in the top two divisions in terms of getting players in.

I think you’ll find SJH was in charge of the purse strings last time we went up. Not that it matters, my point was (until you tried to turn this into another debate about Shepherd, you’re obsessed with him) that the investment in January wasn’t the big w*** fest it’s frequently made out to be.

all people said was that we bought well, not that it was the best window ever. you'll rememebr in that summer under hall many weren't happy that our only signing was beardsley (allen only coming in because of beardsleys injury)

No, it’s put forward as evidence that he’s learnt from his mistakes. When in fact it could just as easily be another variation on the short sighted minimum investment policy that got us relegated.

 

The failure to land Moses is interesting. A highly rated young player who Hughton said we were after who ended up at Wigan. Was it the £2.5m price tag that scuppered our attempt to sign him, or was he attracted by the bright lights of Wigan? Or perhaps we couldn’t match the wages Wigan were offering. Whichever way you look at it looks like NUFC weren’t interested in building for next season.

 

yes the moses thing was ineteresting...perhaps they didn't want to pay what they considered to be over the odds (like most every other prem team bar wigan)

Or perhaps they aren’t prepared to pay the market rate and we will only sign players our competitors in the PL aren’t interested in.

Hughton himself said ‘our efforts to sign Moses is a combination for now and the future. The most important thing is to get promoted, but there has also been an eye on the future’. And then our  eye on the future was scuppered by Wigan and their outrageous wage structure.

 

If we can't compete with big spending Wigan the quality of player we bring in is unlikely to move the club forward. We’ll get promoted and that will be the end of our progress - which some will no doubt find highly amusing.

 

or maybe he just wanted too much. even if its wigan if someone wants more than you think they are worth you don't do it.

At the end of the day Wigan got Moses and we got Best. A million maybes doesn’t change that, or what happens on the pitch.

 

This season has been a great example of how wages influence results. How Hughton would have fared if he’d had to operate within Scunthorpe’s wage structure we’ll never know, but it’s looking like we find out how good he is at managing the division’s poor relations over the next few years.

 

do you know if best or moses are on the bigger wage ?

 

as for the rest it'll make a change to underperforming at an unmanagable wage structure.......................unless of course you think the banks would have let us borrow more ?

 

are you happy that Wigan are buying better players than we are ?

 

 

 

Since when has a 2nd division team been able to turn heads and hold its own against a top division side on transfers. It's delusional to think we had a chance once the Premiership sides got involved.

 

[BottledDog]

In all fairness Ashley did have a very good plan to run the club when he took over. I don't think there was one supporter who complaind about his plans for the club. All this talk about ashley gambling is complete bollolks. it looked as though he had a plan that couldn't go wrong, "buy young talant with his new scouting system" and appointed the greatest ever manager newcastle has ever had"

but one thing is for sure, his scouting system was and is not a mistake, but appointing a manager like Keegan who is great, but also a huge drama queen was the biggest mistake he could make. he needed a man who understould what he was going to do in his longterm buisness plan. And I think Keegan wanted instant rusaults. Keegan and ashley werent on the same page at all, so Keegan left, fans got crazy, and club went down.

I know I'll get slated for this, but give Ashley a couple of years to get used to owning a club like newcastle and he will understand what it's all about. I think his ideas are very good, and the prospect of cleaning our debt will benift as "BIG TIME" in the future.

After all owning a club like Newcastle must be the toughest job in the world. 

 

He's only had almost 3 years, how much longer does he need?

well hasnt he been tolerable this season, major fuckups not really around willing to spend cash in jan to ensure promotion if llambias could f*** off everything would be fine

I’d say the renaming of the ground was a f*** up, as was starting season without a permanent manager.

 

The meagre spend in January is given far too much credit. Ashley spent the absolute bare minimum he thought he could get away with to cover any possible injuries problems. When we were looking good for promotion under KK the board went out and spent serious money on Andy Cole, who went on to serve us well in the PL until he was sold for a 400% profit. This time we went out and bought Best for next to nought, we couldn’t even compete with Wigan for Moses.

 

 

Or, looked at without the gosh-how-I-miss-my-Fweddie glasses on, during that transfer window we were probably the most active club in the top two divisions in terms of getting players in.

I think you’ll find SJH was in charge of the purse strings last time we went up. Not that it matters, my point was (until you tried to turn this into another debate about Shepherd, you’re obsessed with him) that the investment in January wasn’t the big w*** fest it’s frequently made out to be.

all people said was that we bought well, not that it was the best window ever. you'll rememebr in that summer under hall many weren't happy that our only signing was beardsley (allen only coming in because of beardsleys injury)

No, it’s put forward as evidence that he’s learnt from his mistakes. When in fact it could just as easily be another variation on the short sighted minimum investment policy that got us relegated.

 

The failure to land Moses is interesting. A highly rated young player who Hughton said we were after who ended up at Wigan. Was it the £2.5m price tag that scuppered our attempt to sign him, or was he attracted by the bright lights of Wigan? Or perhaps we couldn’t match the wages Wigan were offering. Whichever way you look at it looks like NUFC weren’t interested in building for next season.

 

yes the moses thing was ineteresting...perhaps they didn't want to pay what they considered to be over the odds (like most every other prem team bar wigan)

Or perhaps they aren’t prepared to pay the market rate and we will only sign players our competitors in the PL aren’t interested in.

Hughton himself said ‘our efforts to sign Moses is a combination for now and the future. The most important thing is to get promoted, but there has also been an eye on the future’. And then our  eye on the future was scuppered by Wigan and their outrageous wage structure.

 

If we can't compete with big spending Wigan the quality of player we bring in is unlikely to move the club forward. We’ll get promoted and that will be the end of our progress - which some will no doubt find highly amusing.

 

or maybe he just wanted too much. even if its wigan if someone wants more than you think they are worth you don't do it.

At the end of the day Wigan got Moses and we got Best. A million maybes doesn’t change that, or what happens on the pitch.

 

This season has been a great example of how wages influence results. How Hughton would have fared if he’d had to operate within Scunthorpe’s wage structure we’ll never know, but it’s looking like we find out how good he is at managing the division’s poor relations over the next few years.

 

do you know if best or moses are on the bigger wage ?

 

as for the rest it'll make a change to underperforming at an unmanagable wage structure.......................unless of course you think the banks would have let us borrow more ?

 

are you happy that Wigan are buying better players than we are ?

 

 

 

Since when has a 2nd division team been able to turn heads and hold its own against a top division side on transfers. It's delusional to think we had a chance once the Premiership sides got involved.

 

 

[Keefaz]

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[Cronky]

I wonder how many pages we would have if the title was "Is the club going in the right direction?"

 

Ultimately we either are or aren't.

 

 

 

"On a large enough time line, the survival rate for everyone will drop to zero."

 

You could argue Plymouth are 'going in the right direction' in the shortest term just because they won their last game, but we all know they're still shit and will be relegated.

 

It's all about timescales.

 

The timescale used for the purpose of the thread is since Mike Ashley arrived.  And in that time he's halved the turnover at the club, doubled the debt and dropped a league.  I don't see how there can be any debate either on the pitch or off that we're worse off.

 

Which obviously is not what the original question was asking.

 

There was no question in the opening post.  Just some drivel saying you'd be surprised to find that he IS taking us in the right direction.  I certainly was surprised to hear it, as it's not true for the reason I've stated above.

 

Well - again very obviously - I was referring to the question in the thread title, 'Is Mike Ashley steering Newcastle United in the right direction?

 

What comes across from your posts is that you're worried that the initial reaction against Ashley that came in the wake of Keegan's departure and the fiasco of last season, seems to be flagging. Whenever a post comes up that's even slightly complimentary about what Ashley is doing, you feel the need to jump in and 'correct' the poster, by re-visiting past events and reminding people of how hostile most fans were towards him at the time.

 

Serious question - are you a member or some other more high-up representative of NUST? It does feel like you're drumming up support for a cause, because you're not really listening to other views. It's getting a bit tiresome.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

If you actually go through this thread you have 2 basic sides, people vehementely against Ashley who have no interest in giving Ashley any credit whatsoever or even acknowledging anyhting creditable he's done and people who are trying to point out the more balanced view that Ashley has actually done some good which is obviously offset with the bad he's done.

 

There is absolutely no one saying Ashley has done a brilliant job yet the majority of those against him are admament he's done nothing whatsoever that is credit worthy. One of those groups seems far less rational than the other.

 

Dont Chelsea owe £600m to Roman? Not sure exactly but dont the bin dippers owe similar to external creditors? The performaces of the respective teams are irrelavant when you actually look at the dynamics of the debt, that is what many people are trying to point out when they talk about Ashley and the loan he's given to the club.

 

[Guest malandro]

If you actually go through this thread you have 2 basic sides, people vehementely against Ashley who have no interest in giving Ashley any credit whatsoever or even acknowledging anyhting creditable he's done and people who are trying to point out the more balanced view that Ashley has actually done some good which is obviously offset with the bad he's done.

 

There is absolutely no one saying Ashley has done a brilliant job yet the majority of those against him are admament he's done nothing whatsoever that is credit worthy. One of those groups seems far less rational than the other.

 

Dont Chelsea owe £600m to Roman? Not sure exactly but dont the bin dippers owe similar to external creditors? The performaces of the respective teams are irrelavant when you actually look at the dynamics of the debt, that is what many people are trying to point out when they talk about Ashley and the loan he's given to the club.

 

 

I’d say it was more a case of those who are confusing our ‘successes’ this season with a well run club and think Ashley has turned into Jack Walker because we bought a few bargain basement players in January, and those who want to see clear tangible evidence the club is heading in the right direction before they can forget about three years of half truths and abject mismanagement. 

 

You might think being top of this league is proof we’re heading in the right direction, but others think it’s a fluke and in the absence of any hard facts about what Ashley’s plan was last summer you’re in no position to say what’s rational and what isn’t. Ultimately time will settle this debate, and until it’s had its say perhaps you should get off your high horse.

 

paragraph 1........what a few are saying is that without him we may not be here as the club was well on the way to being f***ed before he worked out his calculations on the back of a beermat somewhere.

 

paeagraph 2..........if he should get off his high horse as time will settle this debate then maybe you ought to put your poisoned dagger away aswell.

I don’t have a poisoned dagger. I have point of view you don’t like.

so why should he get off his high horse because he has a pointof view you dont like. you are the one that said time would tell.

It’s not his POV on the fortunes of NUFC I dislike, but the misguided self regard that dismisses anyone who doesn’t share it as irrational.

 

Is that post supposed to be ironic?

 

You might as well give yourself credit for it becasue Ive already called it.

 

As for my beliefs that those who dont share my view are irrational, i say so becasue I see this argument as going one of 2 ways:

 

i) yes the club is going in the right direction, some credit goes to Ashley, not much mind

ii) no, the club is going in the wrong direction as it's down to Ashleys mismangment.

 

They are both rational arguments, you have your beliefs and the justification of your beliefs, yet somehow a third category has appeared which is:

 

iii) Yes the club is going in the right direction but Ashley gets no credit whatsoever.

 

It's a viewpoint which to my view is slightly irrational and is equally as irrational as saying the club is going in the worng direction but Ashley is doing a good job.

My view is that there’s no proof our performance in this division has anything to do with Mr Ashley making good decisions for the right reasons.  The club was up for sale for the entire close season and didn’t come off the market until after the season had started and the transfer window had shut. This isn’t a good basis for putting together a promotion push. It’s not coherent with long term planning or a clear sense of direction.

 

Then there’s Hughton. He’s done a decent job there’s no denying that, but if Ashley had any confidence in him he wouldn’t have waited until October to make his position permanent. It doesn’t look like Ashley looked around for the best man to manage the team’s push for promotion; rather that he just stuck Hughton in charge while he arsed about. As a managerial novice (with a poor record during his previous spell as caretaker) Hughton could easily have turned out to be out of his depth. At which point we would have been off the pace, losing £500k a week and searching for somebody desperate enough to work for Ashley to turn things around. Thankfully Hughton wasn’t a disaster, but this appears to owe more to luck than planning.

 

I could be wrong. There aren’t enough facts available about what was going on at the club last summer for any of us to draw any firm conclusions. We might have refused to let Colocinni leave or we might not have received an offer that matched the 80k a week he’s reputedly on. We might have turned down an offer for Taylor from Everton, or Taylor might have decided he wanted to stick with the club he supported as a lad. We just don’t know, which leaves us with a choice. We can look at the owners previous conduct and use this as a basis to try to work out what’s he up to, or we can look at the league table and assume he’s changed his spots.

 

I opt for the former because the characteristics he’s displayed over the last few years are coherent with the reputation he had before he arrived at SJP, and I will stick with this POV until he provides clear irrefutable proof he can be trusted. If others want to give him the benefit of the doubt that’s their prerogative. However, choosing to denigrate those who disagree with them suggests they care more about their own ego than trying to work out what the future holds for NUFC.

 

Stability and clarity of purpose are the foundations of progress, and there was none last summer.

 

[OzzieMandias]

 

I will stick with this POV until he provides clear irrefutable proof he can be trusted.

 

 

I guess we can expect a whole lot more pointless moaning from the Malandro corner, then. I doubt there's a single club owner in the entire world who can supply clear, irrefutable proof of trustworthiness. The last one here, for example, certainly couldn't.

[Guest malandro]

You love it really.

[Happy Face]

I wonder how many pages we would have if the title was "Is the club going in the right direction?"

 

Ultimately we either are or aren't.

 

 

 

"On a large enough time line, the survival rate for everyone will drop to zero."

 

You could argue Plymouth are 'going in the right direction' in the shortest term just because they won their last game, but we all know they're still shit and will be relegated.

 

It's all about timescales.

 

The timescale used for the purpose of the thread is since Mike Ashley arrived.  And in that time he's halved the turnover at the club, doubled the debt and dropped a league.  I don't see how there can be any debate either on the pitch or off that we're worse off.

 

Which obviously is not what the original question was asking.

 

There was no question in the opening post.  Just some drivel saying you'd be surprised to find that he IS taking us in the right direction.  I certainly was surprised to hear it, as it's not true for the reason I've stated above.

 

Well - again very obviously - I was referring to the question in the thread title, 'Is Mike Ashley steering Newcastle United in the right direction?

 

What comes across from your posts is that you're worried that the initial reaction against Ashley that came in the wake of Keegan's departure and the fiasco of last season, seems to be flagging. Whenever a post comes up that's even slightly complimentary about what Ashley is doing, you feel the need to jump in and 'correct' the poster, by re-visiting past events and reminding people of how hostile most fans were towards him at the time.

 

Serious question - are you a member or some other more high-up representative of NUST? It does feel like you're drumming up support for a cause, because you're not really listening to other views. It's getting a bit tiresome.

 

No.  I'm a member of NUST and went to one meeting when they were in South Shields.  That's as much as I've had to do with them.  I haven't even voted yet.

 

I'm not worried about attitudes to Ashley mellowing any more than I worried about attitudes to Shepherd mellowing after all his indiscretions.  If anything I hope it happens because that really would mean we're going the right direction.  As it is though, attitudes aren't mellowing amongst anyone I know at all, just Ashley and llambias claim they are...and some choose to believe it....even though Llambias recognises he still can't go for a drink in Newcastle.

[madras]

In all fairness Ashley did have a very good plan to run the club when he took over. I don't think there was one supporter who complaind about his plans for the club. All this talk about ashley gambling is complete bollolks. it looked as though he had a plan that couldn't go wrong, "buy young talant with his new scouting system" and appointed the greatest ever manager newcastle has ever had"

but one thing is for sure, his scouting system was and is not a mistake, but appointing a manager like Keegan who is great, but also a huge drama queen was the biggest mistake he could make. he needed a man who understould what he was going to do in his longterm buisness plan. And I think Keegan wanted instant rusaults. Keegan and ashley werent on the same page at all, so Keegan left, fans got crazy, and club went down.

I know I'll get slated for this, but give Ashley a couple of years to get used to owning a club like newcastle and he will understand what it's all about. I think his ideas are very good, and the prospect of cleaning our debt will benift as "BIG TIME" in the future.

After all owning a club like Newcastle must be the toughest job in the world. 

 

He's only had almost 3 years, how much longer does he need?

well hasnt he been tolerable this season, major fuckups not really around willing to spend cash in jan to ensure promotion if llambias could f*** off everything would be fine

I’d say the renaming of the ground was a f*** up, as was starting season without a permanent manager.

 

The meagre spend in January is given far too much credit. Ashley spent the absolute bare minimum he thought he could get away with to cover any possible injuries problems. When we were looking good for promotion under KK the board went out and spent serious money on Andy Cole, who went on to serve us well in the PL until he was sold for a 400% profit. This time we went out and bought Best for next to nought, we couldn’t even compete with Wigan for Moses.

 

 

Or, looked at without the gosh-how-I-miss-my-Fweddie glasses on, during that transfer window we were probably the most active club in the top two divisions in terms of getting players in.

I think you’ll find SJH was in charge of the purse strings last time we went up. Not that it matters, my point was (until you tried to turn this into another debate about Shepherd, you’re obsessed with him) that the investment in January wasn’t the big w*** fest it’s frequently made out to be.

all people said was that we bought well, not that it was the best window ever. you'll rememebr in that summer under hall many weren't happy that our only signing was beardsley (allen only coming in because of beardsleys injury)

No, it’s put forward as evidence that he’s learnt from his mistakes. When in fact it could just as easily be another variation on the short sighted minimum investment policy that got us relegated.

 

The failure to land Moses is interesting. A highly rated young player who Hughton said we were after who ended up at Wigan. Was it the £2.5m price tag that scuppered our attempt to sign him, or was he attracted by the bright lights of Wigan? Or perhaps we couldn’t match the wages Wigan were offering. Whichever way you look at it looks like NUFC weren’t interested in building for next season.

 

yes the moses thing was ineteresting...perhaps they didn't want to pay what they considered to be over the odds (like most every other prem team bar wigan)

Or perhaps they aren’t prepared to pay the market rate and we will only sign players our competitors in the PL aren’t interested in.

Hughton himself said ‘our efforts to sign Moses is a combination for now and the future. The most important thing is to get promoted, but there has also been an eye on the future’. And then our  eye on the future was scuppered by Wigan and their outrageous wage structure.

 

If we can't compete with big spending Wigan the quality of player we bring in is unlikely to move the club forward. We’ll get promoted and that will be the end of our progress - which some will no doubt find highly amusing.

 

or maybe he just wanted too much. even if its wigan if someone wants more than you think they are worth you don't do it.

At the end of the day Wigan got Moses and we got Best. A million maybes doesn’t change that, or what happens on the pitch.

 

This season has been a great example of how wages influence results. How Hughton would have fared if he’d had to operate within Scunthorpe’s wage structure we’ll never know, but it’s looking like we find out how good he is at managing the division’s poor relations over the next few years.

 

do you know if best or moses are on the bigger wage ?

 

as for the rest it'll make a change to underperforming at an unmanagable wage structure.......................unless of course you think the banks would have let us borrow more ?

 

are you happy that Wigan are buying better players than we are ?

 

 

i wouldn't be happy if we went down the route of paying more than we think a player is worth either and i'm yet to be convinced about moses (which i said at the time), reminds me of Lua Lua the elder...would you have been happy paying over the odds for him ?

[macca888]

macca888

 

Seconded.

 

 

soopafan 

Is that the best you lot can come up with? Jeez, you need a reality check.

[macca888]

One final point, apologies for the spelling errors in the last post. It is friday night here in Oz and my excuse is too many glasses of chardonnay on the beach while the kids were having an evening swim in the sea.

 

I thought if you were commenting on the atmosphere at games and the sentiments towards Ashley then you'd be someone that was going to games.  Talking to people in the pubs afterwards and that.

 

Not a soopafan dig or owt, bu you've got no basis for asking question 6.

 

Well,let me tell you this. Living on the other side of the world doesnt make me any less of a fan than those who have season tickets to SJP. That comment is just blatantly ridiculous. In fact, I probably get to see more NUFC games televised here than you do over in the UK. You might want to remember that there are many other fans on this forum who are in the same situation as me and probably wouldnt take your comments lightly. You might like to know that I have had a heavy involvement with NUFC matters for many years and have plenty of contacts through the club over those years.

 

Most of your replies to my questions were quite interesting and whilst I agree with some and disagree with most, this is a forum of opinions for world wide supporters of the club and you should be wary of making comments regarding other fans opinions, even if they do live far away.

 

With regard to question 6, I think the majority of posters on this forum will readily admit that protests against Ashley have diminished over time at games, whether they like it or not.

 

Furthermore, I cannot think of a single fan whom isnt pleased, surprised and elated that after a difficult period, Newcastle United are currently top of the CCC. I would say that you are certainly in the minority.

 

I never for one second suggested it made you any less of a fan.

 

I'm just saying people in and around the stadium have a clearer picture of what the feeling is toward Ashley in and around the stadium.  I don't see how that could be at all contentious.  nothing to get defensive about.

 

There's not been any 'protests' since the Hull game last seasonff.  I don't agree that there's been any diminishment in the hatred of Ashley since the opening game against West Brom.

 

Your last sentence is absurd.  Yoiu could as easily say I cannot think of a single rape victim whom isnt pleased, surprised and elated that after being visciously raped, they are still alive.

First of all, I dont think Ashley really cares anymore what the minority think, despite comments by Llanbiase recently. The team is performing and getting results and despite all the past problems, there is still 40 odd thousand turning up at SJP for every home game which is way way above his wildest expectations at the start of the season.

This is going round in circles.  It's not a minority

 

Secondly, the comment regarding being happy with our current situation as a football club compared to a rape victim is non sensical. How the hell can you make such comparisons is beyond me. I know Bill Shankly once said that football is a matter of life and death but violation of a human body as a comparison to the demise of a football club is just plain idiotic.

Do you write for the daily mail?  Have a sense of humour man. I was highlighting how pathetically grateful you come across for the smallest of mercies with the most extreme analogy.  I was joking about the holocaust with the lads at the match the other night too.

 

I am basically a positive person and I dont like to dwell on the past. What is done is done and as someone else said previously on trhis thread, it is time to move on which appears to be what the club is trying to do, without over committing itself financially. To be unhappy to be top of the CCC at this present time after a couple of years of total mayhem is just plain daft.

Again, pathetically grateful.  You sound like a cuckolded husband thanking his wife for letting him smell her battered gash after she took on the local rugby team.

 

I actually have read some comments from posters on this forum who would be happy to stay in the CCC because we are winning games, although I can say I dont agree with them. Too much negativity and hatred is blinding too many people on here and it is well and truly time to back the club, from top right through to the tea lady, if we are to get back to where we once were under SBR. It will take a few years but if we are financially healthy and have a committed youthful playing staff eager to impress, then I can see the club back up there with the likes of Everton, Villa and even Spurs.

Where we were 3 years ago 

Where we were 3 years ago????????

1..On the brink of financial meltdown under Shepherd!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

2. Having aging, overpaid, injury prone unmotivated superstars like Viduka, Owen, Luque, Boumsong, Dyer, Insomnia and Martins failing to produce week in, week out!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

3..A succession of failed managers like Allardyce, Souness and Roeder in charge!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

Yeah, I would really love to be back in those days of being threatened with relegation year after year.

 

And before you say it, I tend to put the past behind me and look to the future. Being top of the CCC allows me to think the future is better than what is was. You obviously are up set at being top of the CCC?

 

Maybe that could be because Ashley and Co. are proving you wrong? Maybe you live too much in the past?

 

Maybe you wish you were a supporter of MiddlesBrough instead of NUFC and be happy to have failed to achieve a top 6 position in the CCC therefore failing to achieve an opportunity of immediate promotion back to the PL?

 

Maybe you are just a pessimist?

[Dave]

I hate this thread.

[Happy Face]

One final point, apologies for the spelling errors in the last post. It is friday night here in Oz and my excuse is too many glasses of chardonnay on the beach while the kids were having an evening swim in the sea.

 

I thought if you were commenting on the atmosphere at games and the sentiments towards Ashley then you'd be someone that was going to games.  Talking to people in the pubs afterwards and that.

 

Not a soopafan dig or owt, bu you've got no basis for asking question 6.

 

Well,let me tell you this. Living on the other side of the world doesnt make me any less of a fan than those who have season tickets to SJP. That comment is just blatantly ridiculous. In fact, I probably get to see more NUFC games televised here than you do over in the UK. You might want to remember that there are many other fans on this forum who are in the same situation as me and probably wouldnt take your comments lightly. You might like to know that I have had a heavy involvement with NUFC matters for many years and have plenty of contacts through the club over those years.

 

Most of your replies to my questions were quite interesting and whilst I agree with some and disagree with most, this is a forum of opinions for world wide supporters of the club and you should be wary of making comments regarding other fans opinions, even if they do live far away.

 

With regard to question 6, I think the majority of posters on this forum will readily admit that protests against Ashley have diminished over time at games, whether they like it or not.

 

Furthermore, I cannot think of a single fan whom isnt pleased, surprised and elated that after a difficult period, Newcastle United are currently top of the CCC. I would say that you are certainly in the minority.

 

I never for one second suggested it made you any less of a fan.

 

I'm just saying people in and around the stadium have a clearer picture of what the feeling is toward Ashley in and around the stadium.  I don't see how that could be at all contentious.  nothing to get defensive about.

 

There's not been any 'protests' since the Hull game last seasonff.  I don't agree that there's been any diminishment in the hatred of Ashley since the opening game against West Brom.

 

Your last sentence is absurd.  Yoiu could as easily say I cannot think of a single rape victim whom isnt pleased, surprised and elated that after being visciously raped, they are still alive.

First of all, I dont think Ashley really cares anymore what the minority think, despite comments by Llanbiase recently. The team is performing and getting results and despite all the past problems, there is still 40 odd thousand turning up at SJP for every home game which is way way above his wildest expectations at the start of the season.

This is going round in circles.  It's not a minority

 

Secondly, the comment regarding being happy with our current situation as a football club compared to a rape victim is non sensical. How the hell can you make such comparisons is beyond me. I know Bill Shankly once said that football is a matter of life and death but violation of a human body as a comparison to the demise of a football club is just plain idiotic.

Do you write for the daily mail?  Have a sense of humour man. I was highlighting how pathetically grateful you come across for the smallest of mercies with the most extreme analogy.  I was joking about the holocaust with the lads at the match the other night too.

 

I am basically a positive person and I dont like to dwell on the past. What is done is done and as someone else said previously on trhis thread, it is time to move on which appears to be what the club is trying to do, without over committing itself financially. To be unhappy to be top of the CCC at this present time after a couple of years of total mayhem is just plain daft.

Again, pathetically grateful.  You sound like a cuckolded husband thanking his wife for letting him smell her battered gash after she took on the local rugby team.

 

I actually have read some comments from posters on this forum who would be happy to stay in the CCC because we are winning games, although I can say I dont agree with them. Too much negativity and hatred is blinding too many people on here and it is well and truly time to back the club, from top right through to the tea lady, if we are to get back to where we once were under SBR. It will take a few years but if we are financially healthy and have a committed youthful playing staff eager to impress, then I can see the club back up there with the likes of Everton, Villa and even Spurs.

Where we were 3 years ago 

Where we were 3 years ago????????

1..On the brink of financial meltdown under Shepherd!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

2. Having aging, overpaid, injury prone unmotivated superstars like Viduka, Owen, Luque, Boumsong, Dyer, Insomnia and Martins failing to produce week in, week out!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

3..A succession of failed managers like Allardyce, Souness and Roeder in charge!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

Yeah, I would really love to be back in those days of being threatened with relegation year after year.

 

2005/2006

5 Tottenham Hotspur

7 Newcastle United

11 Everton

16 Aston Villa

 

And before you say it, I tend to put the past behind me and look to the future. Being top of the CCC allows me to think the future is better than what is was. You obviously are up set at being top of the CCC?

 

Maybe that could be because Ashley and Co. are proving you wrong? Maybe you live too much in the past?

 

Maybe you wish you were a supporter of MiddlesBrough instead of NUFC and be happy to have failed to achieve a top 6 position in the CCC therefore failing to achieve an opportunity of immediate promotion back to the PL?

 

Maybe you are just a pessimist?

 

My username is descriptive of my general outlook mate.  We've not finished this low down the league in 18 years man.

[macca888]

We lasat won the FA Cup in 1955. Are you still celebrating that????????????

[Happy Face]

We lasat won the FA Cup in 1955. Are you still celebrating that????????????

 

Is Mike Ashley steering Newcastle United in the right direction?

 

He never took over in 1956.

[madras]

surely you were there 2005/6. we were shite and spent the season until easter looking over our shoulders  and even took ourselves by surprise with a very late run and that was sandwiched between below half way finishes with more looking at relegation than europe.

[fredbob]

One final point, apologies for the spelling errors in the last post. It is friday night here in Oz and my excuse is too many glasses of chardonnay on the beach while the kids were having an evening swim in the sea.

 

I thought if you were commenting on the atmosphere at games and the sentiments towards Ashley then you'd be someone that was going to games.  Talking to people in the pubs afterwards and that.

 

Not a soopafan dig or owt, bu you've got no basis for asking question 6.

 

Well,let me tell you this. Living on the other side of the world doesnt make me any less of a fan than those who have season tickets to SJP. That comment is just blatantly ridiculous. In fact, I probably get to see more NUFC games televised here than you do over in the UK. You might want to remember that there are many other fans on this forum who are in the same situation as me and probably wouldnt take your comments lightly. You might like to know that I have had a heavy involvement with NUFC matters for many years and have plenty of contacts through the club over those years.

 

Most of your replies to my questions were quite interesting and whilst I agree with some and disagree with most, this is a forum of opinions for world wide supporters of the club and you should be wary of making comments regarding other fans opinions, even if they do live far away.

 

With regard to question 6, I think the majority of posters on this forum will readily admit that protests against Ashley have diminished over time at games, whether they like it or not.

 

Furthermore, I cannot think of a single fan whom isnt pleased, surprised and elated that after a difficult period, Newcastle United are currently top of the CCC. I would say that you are certainly in the minority.

 

I never for one second suggested it made you any less of a fan.

 

I'm just saying people in and around the stadium have a clearer picture of what the feeling is toward Ashley in and around the stadium.  I don't see how that could be at all contentious.  nothing to get defensive about.

 

There's not been any 'protests' since the Hull game last seasonff.  I don't agree that there's been any diminishment in the hatred of Ashley since the opening game against West Brom.

 

Your last sentence is absurd.  Yoiu could as easily say I cannot think of a single rape victim whom isnt pleased, surprised and elated that after being visciously raped, they are still alive.

First of all, I dont think Ashley really cares anymore what the minority think, despite comments by Llanbiase recently. The team is performing and getting results and despite all the past problems, there is still 40 odd thousand turning up at SJP for every home game which is way way above his wildest expectations at the start of the season.

This is going round in circles.  It's not a minority

 

Secondly, the comment regarding being happy with our current situation as a football club compared to a rape victim is non sensical. How the hell can you make such comparisons is beyond me. I know Bill Shankly once said that football is a matter of life and death but violation of a human body as a comparison to the demise of a football club is just plain idiotic.

Do you write for the daily mail?  Have a sense of humour man. I was highlighting how pathetically grateful you come across for the smallest of mercies with the most extreme analogy.  I was joking about the holocaust with the lads at the match the other night too.

 

I am basically a positive person and I dont like to dwell on the past. What is done is done and as someone else said previously on trhis thread, it is time to move on which appears to be what the club is trying to do, without over committing itself financially. To be unhappy to be top of the CCC at this present time after a couple of years of total mayhem is just plain daft.

Again, pathetically grateful.  You sound like a cuckolded husband thanking his wife for letting him smell her battered gash after she took on the local rugby team.

 

I actually have read some comments from posters on this forum who would be happy to stay in the CCC because we are winning games, although I can say I dont agree with them. Too much negativity and hatred is blinding too many people on here and it is well and truly time to back the club, from top right through to the tea lady, if we are to get back to where we once were under SBR. It will take a few years but if we are financially healthy and have a committed youthful playing staff eager to impress, then I can see the club back up there with the likes of Everton, Villa and even Spurs.

Where we were 3 years ago 

Where we were 3 years ago????????

1..On the brink of financial meltdown under Shepherd!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

2. Having aging, overpaid, injury prone unmotivated superstars like Viduka, Owen, Luque, Boumsong, Dyer, Insomnia and Martins failing to produce week in, week out!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

3..A succession of failed managers like Allardyce, Souness and Roeder in charge!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

Yeah, I would really love to be back in those days of being threatened with relegation year after year.

 

2005/2006

5 Tottenham Hotspur

7 Newcastle United

11 Everton

16 Aston Villa

 

And before you say it, I tend to put the past behind me and look to the future. Being top of the CCC allows me to think the future is better than what is was. You obviously are up set at being top of the CCC?

 

Maybe that could be because Ashley and Co. are proving you wrong? Maybe you live too much in the past?

 

Maybe you wish you were a supporter of MiddlesBrough instead of NUFC and be happy to have failed to achieve a top 6 position in the CCC therefore failing to achieve an opportunity of immediate promotion back to the PL?

 

Maybe you are just a pessimist?

 

My username is descriptive of my general outlook mate.  We've not finished this low down the league in 18 years man.

 

Mmmmmmm that cherry you just picked was tasty.

[Happy Face]

One final point, apologies for the spelling errors in the last post. It is friday night here in Oz and my excuse is too many glasses of chardonnay on the beach while the kids were having an evening swim in the sea.

 

I thought if you were commenting on the atmosphere at games and the sentiments towards Ashley then you'd be someone that was going to games.  Talking to people in the pubs afterwards and that.

 

Not a soopafan dig or owt, bu you've got no basis for asking question 6.

 

Well,let me tell you this. Living on the other side of the world doesnt make me any less of a fan than those who have season tickets to SJP. That comment is just blatantly ridiculous. In fact, I probably get to see more NUFC games televised here than you do over in the UK. You might want to remember that there are many other fans on this forum who are in the same situation as me and probably wouldnt take your comments lightly. You might like to know that I have had a heavy involvement with NUFC matters for many years and have plenty of contacts through the club over those years.

 

Most of your replies to my questions were quite interesting and whilst I agree with some and disagree with most, this is a forum of opinions for world wide supporters of the club and you should be wary of making comments regarding other fans opinions, even if they do live far away.

 

With regard to question 6, I think the majority of posters on this forum will readily admit that protests against Ashley have diminished over time at games, whether they like it or not.

 

Furthermore, I cannot think of a single fan whom isnt pleased, surprised and elated that after a difficult period, Newcastle United are currently top of the CCC. I would say that you are certainly in the minority.

 

I never for one second suggested it made you any less of a fan.

 

I'm just saying people in and around the stadium have a clearer picture of what the feeling is toward Ashley in and around the stadium.  I don't see how that could be at all contentious.  nothing to get defensive about.

 

There's not been any 'protests' since the Hull game last seasonff.  I don't agree that there's been any diminishment in the hatred of Ashley since the opening game against West Brom.

 

Your last sentence is absurd.  Yoiu could as easily say I cannot think of a single rape victim whom isnt pleased, surprised and elated that after being visciously raped, they are still alive.

First of all, I dont think Ashley really cares anymore what the minority think, despite comments by Llanbiase recently. The team is performing and getting results and despite all the past problems, there is still 40 odd thousand turning up at SJP for every home game which is way way above his wildest expectations at the start of the season.

This is going round in circles.  It's not a minority

 

Secondly, the comment regarding being happy with our current situation as a football club compared to a rape victim is non sensical. How the hell can you make such comparisons is beyond me. I know Bill Shankly once said that football is a matter of life and death but violation of a human body as a comparison to the demise of a football club is just plain idiotic.

Do you write for the daily mail?  Have a sense of humour man. I was highlighting how pathetically grateful you come across for the smallest of mercies with the most extreme analogy.  I was joking about the holocaust with the lads at the match the other night too.

 

I am basically a positive person and I dont like to dwell on the past. What is done is done and as someone else said previously on trhis thread, it is time to move on which appears to be what the club is trying to do, without over committing itself financially. To be unhappy to be top of the CCC at this present time after a couple of years of total mayhem is just plain daft.

Again, pathetically grateful.  You sound like a cuckolded husband thanking his wife for letting him smell her battered gash after she took on the local rugby team.

 

I actually have read some comments from posters on this forum who would be happy to stay in the CCC because we are winning games, although I can say I dont agree with them. Too much negativity and hatred is blinding too many people on here and it is well and truly time to back the club, from top right through to the tea lady, if we are to get back to where we once were under SBR. It will take a few years but if we are financially healthy and have a committed youthful playing staff eager to impress, then I can see the club back up there with the likes of Everton, Villa and even Spurs.

Where we were 3 years ago 

Where we were 3 years ago????????

1..On the brink of financial meltdown under Shepherd!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

2. Having aging, overpaid, injury prone unmotivated superstars like Viduka, Owen, Luque, Boumsong, Dyer, Insomnia and Martins failing to produce week in, week out!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

3..A succession of failed managers like Allardyce, Souness and Roeder in charge!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

Yeah, I would really love to be back in those days of being threatened with relegation year after year.

 

2005/2006

5 Tottenham Hotspur

7 Newcastle United

11 Everton

16 Aston Villa

 

And before you say it, I tend to put the past behind me and look to the future. Being top of the CCC allows me to think the future is better than what is was. You obviously are up set at being top of the CCC?

 

Maybe that could be because Ashley and Co. are proving you wrong? Maybe you live too much in the past?

 

Maybe you wish you were a supporter of MiddlesBrough instead of NUFC and be happy to have failed to achieve a top 6 position in the CCC therefore failing to achieve an opportunity of immediate promotion back to the PL?

 

Maybe you are just a pessimist?

 

My username is descriptive of my general outlook mate.  We've not finished this low down the league in 18 years man.

 

Mmmmmmm that cherry you just picked was tasty.

 

To quote Macca

 

It will take a few years but if we are financially healthy and have a committed youthful playing staff eager to impress, then I can see the club back up there with the likes of Everton, Villa and even Spurs.

 

I can't see how it's cherry picking to reply where we were in relation to them in the seasons before Ashley arrived.

 

Even in 06/07 we were only 2 spots off Villa.

 

If he gets us back to those kinds of positions then he'll have got us back where we were before he arrived.  Then he can start looking to improve things and I'll give him credit.  Not until then though.