Dr Venkman Posted April 13, 2011 Share Posted April 13, 2011 I just don't buy that all our financial dealings are based purely around the £35m we got for Carroll. What if we were planning to spend £10m in the summer before we sold Carroll? Do we now have to spend £45m? The club will be run based on what Mike Ashley decides it can afford this season and for the life of any player's contract. I don't think our activity can just be measured against this magical £35m we got for Carroll. i agree. with regard to your first question, i dont reckon we'll spend any more than 35m, meaning not necessarily that we were planning to spend nothing, but due to circumstances we can probably get away with it, which will be preferable to ashley. it was pardew that said the carroll money will go towards fees and wages, and that he'd have to persuade the owner to 'put it all back into the club'. not me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted April 13, 2011 Share Posted April 13, 2011 Loans with options to buy won't satisfy people this summer. won't satisfy people on this and other similar internet boards, in real life most people will just keep going to the match 9 months is a long time to stay hot and bothered about carroll for most people Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted April 13, 2011 Share Posted April 13, 2011 I think loans with the option to buy, in return times, has brought about the best value for money. Would hate to see that cash spunked against the wall on someone who turns out to be Torres-esque How could that possibly happen when we have such an amazing scout? Anyway, if we don't spent every penny of the £35m then the club will be ripped to shreds. Loans with options to buy won't satisfy people this summer. Calculators at the ready... wouldn't bother me if the club didn't spend 35mill on transfers in the summer providing we have an appreciably better team and squad come september 1st. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted April 13, 2011 Share Posted April 13, 2011 I just don't buy that all our financial dealings are based purely around the £35m we got for Carroll. What if we were planning to spend £10m in the summer before we sold Carroll? Do we now have to spend £45m? The club will be run based on what Mike Ashley decides it can afford this season and for the life of any player's contract. I don't think our activity can just be measured against this magical £35m we got for Carroll. Probably because the justification all along, from the manager, club and plenty of people on here was that the money would rebuild the first team. We needed a striker before we sold our best one. Llambias himself has said that we didn't 'need' the money, so why is it now acceptable for it to disappear into general running costs? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted April 13, 2011 Share Posted April 13, 2011 I just don't buy that all our financial dealings are based purely around the £35m we got for Carroll. What if we were planning to spend £10m in the summer before we sold Carroll? Do we now have to spend £45m? The club will be run based on what Mike Ashley decides it can afford this season and for the life of any player's contract. I don't think our activity can just be measured against this magical £35m we got for Carroll. Probably because the justification all along, from the manager, club and plenty of people on here was that the money would rebuild the first team. We needed a striker before we sold our best one. Llambias himself has said that we didn't 'need' the money, so why is it now acceptable for it to disappear into general running costs? the 'didn't need the money' could be taken many ways, one interpretation being we didn't need to sell to survive. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted April 13, 2011 Share Posted April 13, 2011 I think loans with the option to buy, in return times, has brought about the best value for money. Would hate to see that cash spunked against the wall on someone who turns out to be Torres-esque How could that possibly happen when we have such an amazing scout? Anyway, if we don't spent every penny of the £35m then the club will be ripped to shreds. Loans with options to buy won't satisfy people this summer. Calculators at the ready... wouldn't bother me if the club didn't spend 35mill on transfers in the summer providing we have an appreciably better team and squad come september 1st. It wouldn't bother me either, but I don't often speak for the majority on here! Loans with options to buy won't satisfy people this summer. won't satisfy people on this and other similar internet boards, in real life most people will just keep going to the match 9 months is a long time to stay hot and bothered about carroll for most people True, and good to hear. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted April 13, 2011 Share Posted April 13, 2011 I think loans with the option to buy, in return times, has brought about the best value for money. Would hate to see that cash spunked against the wall on someone who turns out to be Torres-esque How could that possibly happen when we have such an amazing scout? Anyway, if we don't spend every penny of the £35m then the club will be ripped to shreds. Loans with options to buy won't satisfy people this summer. Calculators at the ready... for someone who preaches financial restraint you'd do well to get off your highhorse. you're not part of a exclusive club you know, i dont want nufc to go bust either. i just dont like seeing the fans getting taken for mugs by a greedy, stupid individual who has no ties to the club other then the money he invested without thinking about it first. being on the conservative side of the financial discussion doesnt make any of you more astute, it just makes you all more passive imo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colocho Posted April 13, 2011 Share Posted April 13, 2011 I just don't buy that all our financial dealings are based purely around the £35m we got for Carroll. What if we were planning to spend £10m in the summer before we sold Carroll? Do we now have to spend £45m? The club will be run based on what Mike Ashley decides it can afford this season and for the life of any player's contract. I don't think our activity can just be measured against this magical £35m we got for Carroll. By the way, it's widely reported we received £30 million cash, upfront from Liverpool. In my opinion, all of this money should be spent this summer at the very least. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted April 13, 2011 Share Posted April 13, 2011 I think loans with the option to buy, in return times, has brought about the best value for money. Would hate to see that cash spunked against the wall on someone who turns out to be Torres-esque How could that possibly happen when we have such an amazing scout? Anyway, if we don't spend every penny of the £35m then the club will be ripped to shreds. Loans with options to buy won't satisfy people this summer. Calculators at the ready... for someone who preaches financial restraint you'd do well to get off your highhorse. you're not part of a exclusive club you know, i dont want nufc to go bust either. i just dont like seeing the fans getting taken for mugs by a greedy, stupid individual who has no ties to the club other then the money he invested without thinking about it first. being on the conservative side of the financial discussion doesnt make any of you more astute, it just makes you all more passive imo one thing ashley can't be accused of in relation to his dealings re NUFC is greedy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted April 13, 2011 Share Posted April 13, 2011 I think loans with the option to buy, in return times, has brought about the best value for money. Would hate to see that cash spunked against the wall on someone who turns out to be Torres-esque How could that possibly happen when we have such an amazing scout? Anyway, if we don't spend every penny of the £35m then the club will be ripped to shreds. Loans with options to buy won't satisfy people this summer. Calculators at the ready... for someone who preaches financial restraint you'd do well to get off your highhorse. you're not part of a exclusive club you know, i dont want nufc to go bust either. i just dont like seeing the fans getting taken for mugs by a greedy, stupid individual who has no ties to the club other then the money he invested without thinking about it first. being on the conservative side of the financial discussion doesnt make any of you more astute, it just makes you all more passive imo That was a bit unnecessary :-[ I'm just arguing what I think is right, just like everyone else. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted April 13, 2011 Share Posted April 13, 2011 i like all the "preaching financial restraint" people me like Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted April 13, 2011 Share Posted April 13, 2011 I just don't buy that all our financial dealings are based purely around the £35m we got for Carroll. What if we were planning to spend £10m in the summer before we sold Carroll? Do we now have to spend £45m? The club will be run based on what Mike Ashley decides it can afford this season and for the life of any player's contract. I don't think our activity can just be measured against this magical £35m we got for Carroll. By the way, it's widely reported we received £30 million cash, upfront from Liverpool. In my opinion, all of this money should be spent this summer at the very least. purely on transfer fees, why ? what if we can afford the transfer fees but each player wants 80kpw ? agreed it would be nice if spent well but the idea of "should" smacks of spending for spendings sake. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted April 13, 2011 Share Posted April 13, 2011 i like all the "preaching financial restraint" people me like hardly financial restraint, more so that i don't own a new ferrari cos i can't afford one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted April 13, 2011 Share Posted April 13, 2011 i like all the "preaching financial restraint" people me like hardly financial restraint, more so that i don't own a new ferrari cos i can't afford one. sorry, i put that down wrong - i meant i 'like' the people who spout the "preaching financial restraint", in terms of they talk a load of shit Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted April 13, 2011 Share Posted April 13, 2011 I think loans with the option to buy, in return times, has brought about the best value for money. Would hate to see that cash spunked against the wall on someone who turns out to be Torres-esque How could that possibly happen when we have such an amazing scout? Anyway, if we don't spend every penny of the £35m then the club will be ripped to shreds. Loans with options to buy won't satisfy people this summer. Calculators at the ready... for someone who preaches financial restraint you'd do well to get off your highhorse. you're not part of a exclusive club you know, i dont want nufc to go bust either. i just dont like seeing the fans getting taken for mugs by a greedy, stupid individual who has no ties to the club other then the money he invested without thinking about it first. being on the conservative side of the financial discussion doesnt make any of you more astute, it just makes you all more passive imo That was a bit unnecessary :-[ I'm just arguing what I think is right, just like everyone else. i dont mean any offence mate, at all. i actually think you're good crack i just resent the idea that i'm penny counting by demanding that we be competitive to a level that we deserve as a club Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted April 13, 2011 Share Posted April 13, 2011 I just don't buy that all our financial dealings are based purely around the £35m we got for Carroll. What if we were planning to spend £10m in the summer before we sold Carroll? Do we now have to spend £45m? The club will be run based on what Mike Ashley decides it can afford this season and for the life of any player's contract. I don't think our activity can just be measured against this magical £35m we got for Carroll. Probably because the justification all along, from the manager, club and plenty of people on here was that the money would rebuild the first team. We needed a striker before we sold our best one. Llambias himself has said that we didn't 'need' the money, so why is it now acceptable for it to disappear into general running costs? the 'didn't need the money' could be taken many ways, one interpretation being we didn't need to sell to survive. Llambias also said that Ashley didn't want to sell him, a story which you believe IIRC. So again, if it's the case that we didn't need or want to raise this £35m, why shouldn't all of this unexpected, unbudgeted excess money go straight back into the first team? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted April 13, 2011 Share Posted April 13, 2011 i dont mean any offence mate, at all. i actually think you're good crack i just resent the idea that i'm penny counting by demanding that we be competitive to a level that we deserve as a club is there a person on here who'd argue that the club should be investing as a minimum a net spend on players every year? if there is i've yet to come across them Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted April 13, 2011 Share Posted April 13, 2011 Llambias also said that Ashley didn't want to sell him, a story which you believe IIRC. So again, if it's the case that we didn't need or want to raise this £35m, why shouldn't all of this unexpected, unbudgeted excess money go straight back into the first team? sorry where did i miss this not all going on players now? thought pardew was explicit in saying that? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted April 13, 2011 Share Posted April 13, 2011 i like all the "preaching financial restraint" people me like oh I'm sorry Oscar Wilde, should I have said it a different way? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted April 13, 2011 Share Posted April 13, 2011 I think loans with the option to buy, in return times, has brought about the best value for money. Would hate to see that cash spunked against the wall on someone who turns out to be Torres-esque How could that possibly happen when we have such an amazing scout? Anyway, if we don't spend every penny of the £35m then the club will be ripped to shreds. Loans with options to buy won't satisfy people this summer. Calculators at the ready... for someone who preaches financial restraint you'd do well to get off your highhorse. you're not part of a exclusive club you know, i dont want nufc to go bust either. i just dont like seeing the fans getting taken for mugs by a greedy, stupid individual who has no ties to the club other then the money he invested without thinking about it first. being on the conservative side of the financial discussion doesnt make any of you more astute, it just makes you all more passive imo That was a bit unnecessary :-[ I'm just arguing what I think is right, just like everyone else. i dont mean any offence mate, at all. i actually think you're good crack i just resent the idea that i'm penny counting by demanding that we be competitive to a level that we deserve as a club I want us to spend money, and it's obvious that the squad needs significant investment. I think that at a minimum we should be aiming to invest everything the club earns each season - never to make a profit. But unfortunately that investment includes other things that aren't transfer fees or even player-related, that's all I believe. My calculators comment was a bit petty I suppose, I just get the feeling that we'll be judged more by whether or not we spend this magical number of £35m than whether we make decent progress in improving the squad. We'll see anyway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted April 13, 2011 Share Posted April 13, 2011 i like all the "preaching financial restraint" people me like oh I'm sorry Oscar Wilde, should I have said it a different way? ashley apologist Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anderson Posted April 13, 2011 Share Posted April 13, 2011 Rooney was leading the line for Manure and England at 18, if he's good enough he's old enough. Would like to think we have scouts watching every second he spends on the pitch for the remainder of this season, if we'd even consider spending £20 million on him. The crazy thing is, people here the name 'Lukaku' and p*ss their pants in excitement, without even seeing him play. If there's any truth in it whatsoever then we'll have been watching him for a good while. I don't think Pardew's playing FM at home thinking that's who I'll get. If he is he'll know that a bid of £7m+ will be enough as their chairman always deems this too good an offer to turn down. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted April 13, 2011 Share Posted April 13, 2011 Llambias also said that Ashley didn't want to sell him, a story which you believe IIRC. So again, if it's the case that we didn't need or want to raise this £35m, why shouldn't all of this unexpected, unbudgeted excess money go straight back into the first team? sorry where did i miss this not all going on players now? thought pardew was explicit in saying that? When Carroll was sold Pardew said the money would be spent on the first team. A few weeks later he mentioned in a press conference that spending the money would also cover, wages and other costs (like Tiote's new contract I would imagine). Recently the line (from Llambias) is that the money will 'stay in the club' - hardly surprising when Ashley's never taken a penny out etc. The discussion here is whether or not it would be fine for the £35m to disappear into general running costs or whether it should be invested directly into the first team; namely on new signings this summer. And whether or not Pardew can be believed anyway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Spaceman Posted April 13, 2011 Share Posted April 13, 2011 I'm happy knowing that 35 million and potential 15 million Enrique money will cover the cost of us going down, with potentially one or two signings coming in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted April 13, 2011 Share Posted April 13, 2011 Llambias also said that Ashley didn't want to sell him, a story which you believe IIRC. So again, if it's the case that we didn't need or want to raise this £35m, why shouldn't all of this unexpected, unbudgeted excess money go straight back into the first team? sorry where did i miss this not all going on players now? thought pardew was explicit in saying that? When Carroll was sold Pardew said the money would be spent on the first team. A few weeks later he mentioned in a press conference that spending the money would also cover, wages and other costs (like Tiote's new contract I would imagine). Recently the line (from Llambias) is that the money will 'stay in the club' - hardly surprising when Ashley's never taken a penny out etc. The discussion here is whether or not it would be fine for the £35m to disappear into general running costs or whether it should be invested directly into the first team; namely on new signings this summer. And whether or not Pardew can be believed anyway. hm, so basically people pouring over the word for word content of pardew and delboys statements trying to read things into it ok Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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