Liam Liam Liam O Posted July 23, 2010 Share Posted July 23, 2010 Buys decent players? He hasn't invested a single penny in the club since he bought his shares so don't give me that. Walter Smith chose Moyes btw. Is it fair to say he's ran/run it fairly well then? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
1878 Posted July 23, 2010 Share Posted July 23, 2010 Buys decent players? He hasn't invested a single penny in the club since he bought his shares so don't give me that. Walter Smith chose Moyes btw. Is it fair to say he's ran/run it fairly well then? Not really. Debt has spiralled under him despite no investment in the playing squad or stadium. I'm confused as to how it's even possible (where's it all gone?!) but that's what's happened. I think he must just run the club that poorly and unprofessionally (perhaps summed up by this Gosling fiasco ). The only decent thing he's done is build a new training ground but even that has been sold to property investors and we lease it back. imo our increased fortunes are solely down to having a great manager in Moyes which papers over the cracks off the field. Going way off topic now though so I'll leave it there Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liam Liam Liam O Posted July 23, 2010 Share Posted July 23, 2010 Buys decent players? He hasn't invested a single penny in the club since he bought his shares so don't give me that. Walter Smith chose Moyes btw. Is it fair to say he's ran/run it fairly well then? Not really. Debt has spiralled under him despite no investment in the playing squad or stadium. I'm confused as to how it's even possible (where's it all gone?!) but that's what's happened. I think he must just run the club that poorly and unprofessionally (perhaps summed up by this Gosling fiasco ). The only decent thing he's done is build a new training ground but even that has been sold to property investors and we lease it back. imo our increased fortunes are solely down to having a great manager in Moyes which papers over the cracks off the field. Going way off topic now though so I'll leave it there Cheers for the info. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveMc Posted July 23, 2010 Share Posted July 23, 2010 Buys decent players? He hasn't invested a single penny in the club since he bought his shares so don't give me that. Walter Smith chose Moyes btw. Is it fair to say he's ran/run it fairly well then? Not really. Debt has spiralled under him despite no investment in the playing squad or stadium. I'm confused as to how it's even possible (where's it all gone?!) but that's what's happened. I think he must just run the club that poorly and unprofessionally (perhaps summed up by this Gosling fiasco ). The only decent thing he's done is build a new training ground but even that has been sold to property investors and we lease it back. imo our increased fortunes are solely down to having a great manager in Moyes which papers over the cracks off the field. Going way off topic now though so I'll leave it there It's interesting though mate - so indulge us? What are the debt levels like and how much do you tend to spend (net) per yeaar on transfers? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
1878 Posted July 23, 2010 Share Posted July 23, 2010 Ok then. Steve- I think the last 2 seasons/4 windows we have a net spend of zero. e.g. when Fellaini signed for £15m we had to sell Johnson for £9m and McFadden for £6m first. When we signed Bily, Heitinga and Distin last summer we'd got more than the total outlay for Lescott. I think Moyes net spend in his 7 years works out at something like £4m a season. Debt levels are £40-odd million iirc. Was about £20m when Kenwright took over. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted July 23, 2010 Share Posted July 23, 2010 £4m a season, you lucky, lucky bastards! Piss off to some other forum if you want to brag Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveMc Posted July 23, 2010 Share Posted July 23, 2010 Ok then. Steve- I think the last 2 seasons/4 windows we have a net spend of zero. e.g. when Fellaini signed for £15m we had to sell Johnson for £9m and McFadden for £6m first. When we signed Bily, Heitinga and Distin last summer we'd got more than the total outlay for Lescott. I think Moyes net spend in his 7 years works out at something like £4m a season. Debt levels are £40-odd million iirc. Was about £20m when Kenwright took over. Cripes, Moyes is a miracle worker Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted July 23, 2010 Share Posted July 23, 2010 Have NUFC referenced the 'Everton model' yet? Reading that, surely it's only a matter of time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveMc Posted July 23, 2010 Share Posted July 23, 2010 Have NUFC referenced the 'Everton model' yet? Reading that, surely it's only a matter of time. We've pretty much every other model. Wish he'd have go at the Chelsea model Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted July 23, 2010 Share Posted July 23, 2010 Has it not gone from the Arsenal model to the Everton model to the Wolves/Briimingham model? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted July 23, 2010 Share Posted July 23, 2010 Have NUFC referenced the 'Everton model' yet? Reading that, surely it's only a matter of time. We've pretty much every other model. Wish he'd have go at the Chelsea model We did, unfortunately we changed just before we made any transfers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted July 23, 2010 Share Posted July 23, 2010 It'll be the Burnley model come January. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted July 23, 2010 Share Posted July 23, 2010 His Bebo profile apparently - http://www.bebo.com/Profile.jsp?MemberId=6214281606 although he hasn't been active for 2 years Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incognito Posted July 24, 2010 Share Posted July 24, 2010 His Bebo profile apparently - http://www.bebo.com/Profile.jsp?MemberId=6214281606 although he hasn't been active for 2 years He like shit music....as opposed to "Do you like good music..yeah yeah!" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
macca888 Posted July 24, 2010 Share Posted July 24, 2010 Ok then. Steve- I think the last 2 seasons/4 windows we have a net spend of zero. e.g. when Fellaini signed for £15m we had to sell Johnson for £9m and McFadden for £6m first. When we signed Bily, Heitinga and Distin last summer we'd got more than the total outlay for Lescott. I think Moyes net spend in his 7 years works out at something like £4m a season. Debt levels are £40-odd million iirc. Was about £20m when Kenwright took over. What about the 12 million you spent on Yakuba, 6 million on Baines, 4 million on Jagielka and 6 million on Arteta? I know Moyes does a reasonable job budget wise but you have conveniently forgotten abpout some of your other major acquisitions here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zero Posted July 24, 2010 Share Posted July 24, 2010 Ok then. Steve- I think the last 2 seasons/4 windows we have a net spend of zero. e.g. when Fellaini signed for £15m we had to sell Johnson for £9m and McFadden for £6m first. When we signed Bily, Heitinga and Distin last summer we'd got more than the total outlay for Lescott. I think Moyes net spend in his 7 years works out at something like £4m a season. Debt levels are £40-odd million iirc. Was about £20m when Kenwright took over. With such a low net spending per season, how could the debt level rise during his reign? The gate receipt is too low or the wages is too high? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incognito Posted July 24, 2010 Share Posted July 24, 2010 Ok then. Steve- I think the last 2 seasons/4 windows we have a net spend of zero. e.g. when Fellaini signed for £15m we had to sell Johnson for £9m and McFadden for £6m first. When we signed Bily, Heitinga and Distin last summer we'd got more than the total outlay for Lescott. I think Moyes net spend in his 7 years works out at something like £4m a season. Debt levels are £40-odd million iirc. Was about £20m when Kenwright took over. What about the 12 million you spent on Yakuba, 6 million on Baines, 4 million on Jagielka and 6 million on Arteta? I know Moyes does a reasonable job budget wise but you have conveniently forgotten abpout some of your other major acquisitions here. All covered by Lescott I would have thought.Plus the Rooney fee. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
merlin Posted July 24, 2010 Share Posted July 24, 2010 It'll be the Burnley model come January. Quite possible. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest orang Posted July 24, 2010 Share Posted July 24, 2010 Ok then. Steve- I think the last 2 seasons/4 windows we have a net spend of zero. e.g. when Fellaini signed for £15m we had to sell Johnson for £9m and McFadden for £6m first. When we signed Bily, Heitinga and Distin last summer we'd got more than the total outlay for Lescott. I think Moyes net spend in his 7 years works out at something like £4m a season. Debt levels are £40-odd million iirc. Was about £20m when Kenwright took over. What about the 12 million you spent on Yakuba, 6 million on Baines, 4 million on Jagielka and 6 million on Arteta? I know Moyes does a reasonable job budget wise but you have conveniently forgotten abpout some of your other major acquisitions here. They are all covered in his c£4m net spend over Moyes tenure. Yakubu, it is widely believed, was bought with a loan from Bill's 'friend' Phillip Green which had to be repaid. The 'Everton model' isn't one you want to be following at all. It is dependent upon one man, David Moyes, to make it work. Zero - EFC simply do not make enough money to afford a bigger net spend, mainly due to stadium income. There are lots of ways to improve income but this board are hell bent on a retail led (Green connection?) stadium model and nothing else. The proposed Kirkby fiasco would have still brought in less income than Anfield currently does. Just one example of Bill and the boards incompetence. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmonkey Posted July 24, 2010 Share Posted July 24, 2010 Can't complain on a free. Like many before him, he sounds promising - just hope he's not shit. Can he run fast? If so, that's one bonus that'll be a major help for us. If not, then meh, hopefully he's talented enough for it to not be a problem, although in truth if he's one-paced or slow then I'm not really looking forward to the prospect of him partnering one of Guthrie, Barton, Nolan or Smith. As Sir Bobby put it, we need legs in midfield, and central midfield is no exception (which is why he signed the likes of Dyer and Jenas no doubt). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zero Posted July 24, 2010 Share Posted July 24, 2010 Orang: Thanks for the info. Ashley has a close competitor then. tmonkey: No. The opposite. He is "famous" for being slow. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted July 24, 2010 Share Posted July 24, 2010 Although slow he is apparently a "run all day" player which adds something different and important to the centre of our midfield. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Logic Posted July 25, 2010 Share Posted July 25, 2010 http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/n/newcastle_united/8849788.stm Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheshire Mag Posted July 25, 2010 Share Posted July 25, 2010 IMO, if he has abit of a poor start after coming back from injury this board will implode. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
1878 Posted July 25, 2010 Share Posted July 25, 2010 Ok then. Steve- I think the last 2 seasons/4 windows we have a net spend of zero. e.g. when Fellaini signed for £15m we had to sell Johnson for £9m and McFadden for £6m first. When we signed Bily, Heitinga and Distin last summer we'd got more than the total outlay for Lescott. I think Moyes net spend in his 7 years works out at something like £4m a season. Debt levels are £40-odd million iirc. Was about £20m when Kenwright took over. What about the 12 million you spent on Yakuba, 6 million on Baines, 4 million on Jagielka and 6 million on Arteta? I know Moyes does a reasonable job budget wise but you have conveniently forgotten abpout some of your other major acquisitions here. I haven't forgotten any signings. As I said, his net spend works out at £4m per season over his entire reign. Oh, and Arteta was £3m iirc not £6m. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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