Ishmael Posted February 20, 2011 Share Posted February 20, 2011 But come on, one dimensional and tactically inept? taken simply, it seems laughable. i clearly have failed to express my understanding. limitation on my part, which is irritating. genuinely do find guardiola's/barcelona's approach/philosophy self-limiting and do feel that guardiola should be doing more with the players at his disposal. their abundance of ability does drag them through many games, which they should imo win with ease. perhaps that sentence is less 'gibberish' that my previous attempts to clarify my stance. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishmael Posted February 20, 2011 Share Posted February 20, 2011 no, for me, it was the inferior team at mourinho's disposal rather than barcelona's approach that resulted in the inhalation. however, your posts has planted a little uncertainty in my head. i'd always assumed that they were nullified somewhat in the inter ties. only a little uncertainty mind Calling Madrid's squad "inferior" comes a close second to calling Barcelona's football "tactically s***". You are on fire tonight Dresden. erm, real madrid's team is clearly an inferior footballing team to barcelona. you cannot surely be disputing that? thing about the 'tactically s***' thing is that yeah, i did not express myself sufficiently in that post. so fair play. I despair, I really do. Seriously, Real Madrid's team is not clearly inferior to any team in the world as it is undisputedly one of the best teams in the world run by one of the best managers in the world. They were humiliated by Barcelona nevertheless, and this was as much to do with brilliant tactics as it was to do with individual class, which Real Madrid also have in abundance. Your apparent hatred for Barcelona is clearly blurring your clear vision on the subject.. inferior to barcelona ffs. please understand the context of my statement. they are also an inferior side to the one mourinho had the season prior in milan. love how me saying that real are inferior to barca somehow supports this 'hatred' for barcelona. You're hatred was confirmed when you said the team had a 'spine of c**ts' not the comparison to Real. except that i should be allowed to hate a teams personnel, yet at the same time admire their technical ability. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaizero Posted February 20, 2011 Share Posted February 20, 2011 Not really, as most teams will treat a Barcelona fixture as a "cup final" and thus be on their A game and pumped up for it, whereas Barcelona might have an off day and be complacent about their opponents which causes a match to be closer than it should be on paper. On paper, even Man Utds and Arsenals reserves should easily dispose of the likes of Crawley and Leyton Orient (not saying La Liga teams aren't better than those teams, just making an example of how no match is certain.) yet they didn't, because that's football, it's not pre-arranged, it's 90 minutes of a game where both teams start at the same score. It's the beautiful game for a reason, and that reason is that every game starts 0-0 even if it's a massive team on one side of the pitch and a bunch of amateurs on the other. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted February 20, 2011 Share Posted February 20, 2011 Mick McCarthy will be happy they are on MOTD first. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishmael Posted February 20, 2011 Share Posted February 20, 2011 but they should have the flexibility in their approach to counter such issues. less so the motivational issues, more so the tendency for teams to put two lines of players out and camp in their own half. as a result imo, they definitely need to stop overplaying their possession when in the final third and they definitely need to address the weaknesses they have at the back / dealing with counter attacks. points like this which incline me to describe guardiola as being tactically limited as you would expect/want him to deal with such issues. yet, we've been here before. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beren Posted February 20, 2011 Share Posted February 20, 2011 This thread the last hour I've got popcorn. http://img190.imageshack.us/img190/9730/fsdfk.jpg I do see where Dresden is coming from and agree to an extent, though I think at times by virtue of being over-zealous or whatever,he perhaps hasn't communicated what he means as he'd have liked to perhaps? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishmael Posted February 20, 2011 Share Posted February 20, 2011 yep. i'm irritated with myself. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaizero Posted February 20, 2011 Share Posted February 20, 2011 We can agree that Guardiola's Barcelona have a main game plan that doesn't need more than subtle changes here and there due to Barcelona executing it as well as they do, and that they usually stick with it even in sluggish matches where they usually also come out victorious, aye. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frazzle Posted February 20, 2011 Share Posted February 20, 2011 but they should have the flexibility in their approach to counter such issues. less so the motivational issues, more so the tendency for teams to put two lines of players out and camp in their own half. as a result imo, they definitely need to stop overplaying their possession when in the final third and they definitely need to address the weaknesses they have at the back / dealing with counter attacks. points like this which incline me to describe guardiola as being tactically limited as you would expect/want him to deal with such issues. yet, we've been here before. You said yourself there is no tactical nirvana. Barcelona's tactics will always leave them vulnerable to counter acts but if they drop deeper they lose their intensity in the final third, which is a massive part of their game. In terms of a tactical nirvana, Barcelona must be one of the closest teams to it judging by their results. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Village Idiot Posted February 20, 2011 Share Posted February 20, 2011 but they should have the flexibility in their approach to counter such issues. less so the motivational issues, more so the tendency for teams to put two lines of players out and camp in their own half. as a result imo, they definitely need to stop overplaying their possession when in the final third and they definitely need to address the weaknesses they have at the back / dealing with counter attacks. points like this which incline me to describe guardiola as being tactically limited as you would expect/want him to deal with such issues. yet, we've been here before. Like Messi's new position this season? As a deep lying nine, in between the two lines of defenders, aiming to take them out of position while our wingers cut inside and take the striker position themselves. We have also switched to 442 and 424 against teams sitting deep. All managers make mistakes, even the best, but certainly Pep does way more than just cut and paste lineups from the previous weeks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaizero Posted February 20, 2011 Share Posted February 20, 2011 Also, Barcelona have conceded 13 goals in the league this season compared to scoring 73. Where are the defensive weaknesses? They've had a couple of minor accidents over 24 matches proving that the players are still human, they don't have a glaring weakness in defense. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beren Posted February 20, 2011 Share Posted February 20, 2011 I must say Barcelona in midweek looked very vulnerable to some of Arsenal's more archetypal Premiership-style counter-attacking play. It was a perfect example of the confidence they show in the Premiership week-in, week-out but seem diffident about trying on such a sophisticated stage. Oddly enough, of all people, Theo Walcott (again!) had Maxwell shitting his pants a few times. Really can't wait for the second leg. If Wilshere and a few other star performers play like they can (and the Arsenal backline can remain fairly disciplined), I really think we'd have a cracker of a match and the best of clinical breakneck speed Premiership play triumphing over Barcelona football. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaizero Posted February 20, 2011 Share Posted February 20, 2011 I think Barcelona won't suffer from complacency like they appeared to do towards the end of the first leg and shit all over Arsenal, tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Village Idiot Posted February 20, 2011 Share Posted February 20, 2011 Don't really think we were complacent, we were tired. Arsenal only broke us down in the last 15, although we looked shattered by then. Still going to be a very hard tie. I don't think Arsenal won't score to be frank, so I expect that we'll need at least 3 goals to get through. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishmael Posted February 20, 2011 Share Posted February 20, 2011 i expect arsenal to have a mental collapse at some point and gift the tie to barca Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beren Posted February 20, 2011 Share Posted February 20, 2011 Could very well happen, yup. If Arsenal don't settle quickly enough, I can see it being like that Man Utd match they had a few years ago where they lost two early goals and never looked like coming back into it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beren Posted February 20, 2011 Share Posted February 20, 2011 Oh and aye, looked far more like fatigue than complacency IMO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beren Posted February 20, 2011 Share Posted February 20, 2011 Don't really think we were complacent, we were tired. Arsenal only broke us down in the last 15, although we looked shattered by then. Still going to be a very hard tie. I don't think Arsenal won't score to be frank, so I expect that we'll need at least 3 goals to get through. They fashioned decent openings before then too, tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaizero Posted February 20, 2011 Share Posted February 20, 2011 My bad, I was going for that but for some reason wrote complacency. I'll blame that on English not being my first language and confusing the two, even if that's a lie. They did appear happy with an away goal and a win, though. But aye, not really complacency. :-[ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishmael Posted February 20, 2011 Share Posted February 20, 2011 remember song having an absolute nightmare at the nou camp last season. just letting messi wonder around the arsenal half with the ball - sure he strolled past him for one of the goals? imo, arsenal need to target barcelona's right side to counter - if they opt to sit back and soak up pressure. walcott needs to play from the left hand side to get behind alves. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Village Idiot Posted February 20, 2011 Share Posted February 20, 2011 He'll get way more mileage off Maxwell than Alves. Maxwell gets forward as much and doesn't have Alves' pace or stamina to retrack. Alves is not poor defensively at all. A bit of a myth really. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdckelly Posted February 20, 2011 Share Posted February 20, 2011 nice goal by o'hara Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Snrub Posted February 20, 2011 Share Posted February 20, 2011 but they should have the flexibility in their approach to counter such issues. less so the motivational issues, more so the tendency for teams to put two lines of players out and camp in their own half. as a result imo, they definitely need to stop overplaying their possession when in the final third and they definitely need to address the weaknesses they have at the back / dealing with counter attacks. points like this which incline me to describe guardiola as being tactically limited as you would expect/want him to deal with such issues. yet, we've been here before. Other than Arshavin's goal name me one other occasion this season where Barcelona have conceded after being cut part on the counter attack. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Snrub Posted February 20, 2011 Share Posted February 20, 2011 Thought as much. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishmael Posted February 20, 2011 Share Posted February 20, 2011 It's not really a requirement for me in order to acknowledge that they are susceptible to the counter attack. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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