Teasy Posted August 20, 2010 Share Posted August 20, 2010 I think I've explained it TBH, basically we might survive and still not want to buy him (because he's disruptive and/or useless, for example). With a permanent transfer now, we'd be getting him at his current market value, meaning if he played really well this season only we would benefit from his price going up. But this rumoured loan deal has the final fee agreed at the start of the loan. So the fee we'd have to pay next year would be at his current market value no matter how he plays. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted August 20, 2010 Share Posted August 20, 2010 Oops! I see what you asked now. In terms of risk there isn't really a difference, see what you mean. As long as the purchase price is set now. I was still thinking about the disadvantages of a loan with compulsory purchase vs normal loan with option to buy. It seemed to make sense at the time Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasper Posted August 20, 2010 Share Posted August 20, 2010 But what is actually the difference between signing him permanently now or signing him on a loan with agreed transfer next summer? The risk is the same, no? No, the risk is still in our favour as he goes back if we don't stay up. Well yeah. Exactly why I dont understand why someone would want us to sign him now permanently but not get him on loan with an agreed deal in place for next summer. Again I'll refer you to Zaki with Wigan and Benitez at Birmingham. By agreed price I mean that a deal is made now and we pay later like the rumours are suggesting. Dont think that's similar to Zaki at all as they only had an agreed price, not agreed deal? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted August 20, 2010 Share Posted August 20, 2010 I think I've explained it TBH, basically we might survive and still not want to buy him (because he's disruptive and/or useless, for example). With a permanent transfer now, we'd be getting him at his current market value, meaning if he played really well this season only we would benefit from his price going up. But this rumoured loan deal has the final fee agreed at the start of the loan. So the final would would be at his current market value no matter what. Yes, I fucked up, you're right! (As long as the fee was set now). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teasy Posted August 20, 2010 Share Posted August 20, 2010 I think I've explained it TBH, basically we might survive and still not want to buy him (because he's disruptive and/or useless, for example). With a permanent transfer now, we'd be getting him at his current market value, meaning if he played really well this season only we would benefit from his price going up. But this rumoured loan deal has the final fee agreed at the start of the loan. So the final would would be at his current market value no matter what. Yes, I fucked up, you're right! (As long as the fee was set now). Good, get on the phone to Lambiarse and persuade him Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChezGiven Posted August 20, 2010 Share Posted August 20, 2010 So agree to buy him for 5m and if he is shit immediately sell him for 3m. If he is on a 4 year contract, the likelihood of him dropping in value that much is negligible. From a risk perspective, his lot can't fall that much in 12 months. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted August 20, 2010 Share Posted August 20, 2010 Good that we're still talking though, at least it isn't totally dead. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sicko2ndbest Posted August 20, 2010 Share Posted August 20, 2010 We might find some more info out in the next 30 mins. Dassier is holding a press conference to talk about the transfer market (presumably the signings of Remy and Gignac) at 3.30pm. I'd imagine he'll be asked about Ben Arfa again. He's a bigger media whore than Dave! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve_69 Posted August 20, 2010 Share Posted August 20, 2010 http://img835.imageshack.us/img835/420/findingbarfa.gif Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Roger Kint Posted August 20, 2010 Share Posted August 20, 2010 http://img835.imageshack.us/img835/420/findingbarfa.gif Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sicko2ndbest Posted August 20, 2010 Share Posted August 20, 2010 http://img835.imageshack.us/img835/420/findingbarfa.gif One of the funniest things ive seen on this forum for a while. BTW, surely there is a need for a title change soon. Its pretty obvious the Bremen interest is bollocks. Maybe wait to hear if Dassier says something in the next few minutes, before reverting back to 'The curious case of Ben Arfa' Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted August 20, 2010 Share Posted August 20, 2010 Come on, we're closing in on 300. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGuv Posted August 20, 2010 Share Posted August 20, 2010 Marseille have completed the signing of Gignac and Remy for a combined amount of 29 million. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted August 20, 2010 Share Posted August 20, 2010 Marseille have completed the signing of Gignac and Remy for a combined amount of 29 million. I'm surprised they didn't insist on loan deals with no fixed fee clauses. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGuv Posted August 20, 2010 Share Posted August 20, 2010 Marseille have completed the signing of Gignac and Remy for a combined amount of 29 million. Bizarre twist in the Remy deal though. He's already signed his contract but his medical has flagged up a heart problem. Very odd situation. That is strange. I'll take it as good news though if they've signed those? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted August 20, 2010 Share Posted August 20, 2010 If we get to 300 pages and we sign him, I'm getting 'Ben Arfa 300' on the back of my shirt. Will 3 numbers fit on though? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest secteur2010 Posted August 20, 2010 Share Posted August 20, 2010 If we get to 300 pages and we sign him, I'm getting 'Ben Arfa 300' on the back of my shirt. Will 3 numbers fit on though? Yer a fat cunt so you could probably get up to 7 numbers across your back Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted August 20, 2010 Share Posted August 20, 2010 If we get to 300 pages and we sign him, I'm getting 'Ben Arfa 300' on the back of my shirt. Will 3 numbers fit on though? Use a smaller pen. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
broonalegeordie Posted August 20, 2010 Share Posted August 20, 2010 i could fit 4 numbers! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted August 20, 2010 Share Posted August 20, 2010 Remy has taken #11, will be ineresting to see if they give Gignac Ben Arfa's #10. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrenchWilliam Posted August 20, 2010 Share Posted August 20, 2010 OM having a press conference at 3.30pm UK time, will be to announce Remy and/or explain the craic with his knackered ticker. By the way, this is a decent live feed of any Marseille news that comes out: http://www.laprovence.com/OM-en-direct Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted August 20, 2010 Share Posted August 20, 2010 Remy has taken #11, will be ineresting to see if they give Gignac Ben Arfa's #10. That would go down well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
grumpyoldman Posted August 20, 2010 Share Posted August 20, 2010 So agree to buy him for 5m and if he is s*** immediately sell him for 3m. If he is on a 4 year contract, the likelihood of him dropping in value that much is negligible. From a risk perspective, his lot can't fall that much in 12 months. Surely this will be a three way agreement. In a years time we would have to negotiate a contract with Ben Arfa and his agent. If we are obliged to sign him, they would have us over a barrel. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted August 20, 2010 Share Posted August 20, 2010 If it was left to some on here we would probably have signed someone named Arfa Ben Hatem from the wrong club on the first day of the window for £20 million, judging by how excitable and rubbish your negotiation tactics are. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted August 20, 2010 Share Posted August 20, 2010 Surely this will be a three way agreement. In a years time we would have to negotiate a contract with Ben Arfa and his agent. If we are obliged to sign him, they would have us over a barrel. It didn't happen when we loanded Shola to Stoke. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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