Cheick Tioté (1986–2017)

[mrmojorisin75]

There will be loopholes and they will be exploited.

 

The big clubs will find a way to circumnavigate the rules one way or another. 

 

wenger already publicly stated one last week and he's probably nailed it - sheik moneybags just gets one of his companies to pay citeh 50m for a sponsorship that everyone else gets say 10m for

 

job done

[midds]

so let's see what happens then.

 

You didn't even answer my question though, why would teams who have tried to meet the requirements (Man U are one, I think) sit idly by while Chelsea break the rules?  I know you're saying there will be loopholes but do you think clubs the size of Man U are going to let other clubs bend these rules to gain an advantage?

 

I'm saying the same clubs that have set the rules are the most likely to find the loopholes. Let's wait and see how it pans out. Let's see how well the rules are working in 2 or 3 years time.

[midds]

There will be loopholes and they will be exploited.

 

The big clubs will find a way to circumnavigate the rules one way or another. 

 

wenger already publicly stated one last week and he's probably nailed it - sheik moneybags just gets one of his companies to pay citeh 50m for a sponsorship that everyone else gets say 10m for

 

job done

 

I suggested this might happen ages ago but apparently this will be illegal.

[Frazzle]

so let's see what happens then.

 

You didn't even answer my question though, why would teams who have tried to meet the requirements (Man U are one, I think) sit idly by while Chelsea break the rules?  I know you're saying there will be loopholes but do you think clubs the size of Man U are going to let other clubs bend these rules to gain an advantage?

 

I'm saying the same clubs that have set the rules are the most likely to find the loopholes. Let's wait and see how it pans out. Let's see how well the rules are working in 2 or 3 years time.

 

Unless they all decide to use the loopholes there will be hell on.  A club that has spent five years sorting itself out will not allow another club to ignore the rules, IMO.  As you say though, I guess we will have to wait and see.  Will be interesting, certainly, to see how clubs approach.

[Guest Heneage]

Why not worry about this in the summer? No point in ruining 4 months of football fretting over something like this. He's ours till then no matter what. Is it going to be like this every time we get a decent player through the doors? Or are we just so used to signing s**** upon s**** we can't handle having decent players at the club?

 

And if good footballers wanting to prove themselves see us as a stepping stone off selling the like of Carroll and Tiote for daft money then so be it, as there will come a time when we can hold on to them for good and hopefully if we've done it right we've got a really healthy bank balance in the process.

 

 

 

 

Yep.

 

Buy low, sell high. It's the future.

could say that how spurs got where they are...buy...sell for a profit. if you can do it enough you move up.

 

They pumped the money back into the squad though and kept buying/speculating. Remains to be seen if we do the same.

 

The quotes from Pardew don't suggest we're prepared to do the same. How long before Enrique is looking to be away?

It remains to be seen because of this new mantra we've seen one player leave for a British transfer record might I add.

 

Hypothetical: Man U come in and bid £12m for Enrique. You reckon they'd turn it down?

They'd squeeze to 15.

[midds]

so let's see what happens then.

 

You didn't even answer my question though, why would teams who have tried to meet the requirements (Man U are one, I think) sit idly by while Chelsea break the rules?  I know you're saying there will be loopholes but do you think clubs the size of Man U are going to let other clubs bend these rules to gain an advantage?

 

I'm saying the same clubs that have set the rules are the most likely to find the loopholes. Let's wait and see how it pans out. Let's see how well the rules are working in 2 or 3 years time.

 

Unless they all decide to use the loopholes there will be hell on.  A club that has spent five years sorting itself out will not allow another club to ignore the rules, IMO.  As you say though, I guess we will have to wait and see.  Will be interesting, certainly, to see how clubs approach.

 

The biggest, richest clubs will come out on top. I can guarantee you that. 

[midds]

Why not worry about this in the summer? No point in ruining 4 months of football fretting over something like this. He's ours till then no matter what. Is it going to be like this every time we get a decent player through the doors? Or are we just so used to signing s**** upon s**** we can't handle having decent players at the club?

 

And if good footballers wanting to prove themselves see us as a stepping stone off selling the like of Carroll and Tiote for daft money then so be it, as there will come a time when we can hold on to them for good and hopefully if we've done it right we've got a really healthy bank balance in the process.

 

 

 

 

Yep.

 

Buy low, sell high. It's the future.

could say that how spurs got where they are...buy...sell for a profit. if you can do it enough you move up.

 

They pumped the money back into the squad though and kept buying/speculating. Remains to be seen if we do the same.

 

The quotes from Pardew don't suggest we're prepared to do the same. How long before Enrique is looking to be away?

It remains to be seen because of this new mantra we've seen one player leave for a British transfer record might I add.

 

Hypothetical: Man U come in and bid £12m for Enrique. You reckon they'd turn it down?

They'd squeeze to 15.

 

Well that's ok then. 15 is much more than 12. Job done. Think of the interest.

[Guest Heneage]

Why not worry about this in the summer? No point in ruining 4 months of football fretting over something like this. He's ours till then no matter what. Is it going to be like this every time we get a decent player through the doors? Or are we just so used to signing s**** upon s**** we can't handle having decent players at the club?

 

And if good footballers wanting to prove themselves see us as a stepping stone off selling the like of Carroll and Tiote for daft money then so be it, as there will come a time when we can hold on to them for good and hopefully if we've done it right we've got a really healthy bank balance in the process.

 

 

 

 

Yep.

 

Buy low, sell high. It's the future.

could say that how spurs got where they are...buy...sell for a profit. if you can do it enough you move up.

 

They pumped the money back into the squad though and kept buying/speculating. Remains to be seen if we do the same.

 

The quotes from Pardew don't suggest we're prepared to do the same. How long before Enrique is looking to be away?

It remains to be seen because of this new mantra we've seen one player leave for a British transfer record might I add.

 

Hypothetical: Man U come in and bid £12m for Enrique. You reckon they'd turn it down?

They'd squeeze to 15.

 

Well that's ok then. 15 is much more than 12. Job done. Think of the interest.

Players will come and go just accept it.

 

£15m could get us a replacement no problem yes it would be a shame as he's a fan favourite but if it happens it happens. You also have to factor in whether he'd agree to such a move he seems quite enamored with us and would probably be second fiddle to Evra.

 

Tbh choosing Man United as potential suitors for a left back was always bad idea. Must try harder.

[midds]

Key word was 'hypothetical'. Tit.

[Guest Heneage]

Chomp.

[midds]

Chomp.

 

Nice one. Well done.

[midds]

Jesus Christ he's not even followed up on it. Fucking sad as it gets. 

[JH]

There will be loopholes and they will be exploited.

 

The big clubs will find a way to circumnavigate the rules one way or another. 

 

wenger already publicly stated one last week and he's probably nailed it - sheik moneybags just gets one of his companies to pay citeh 50m for a sponsorship that everyone else gets say 10m for

 

job done

 

I suggested this might happen ages ago but apparently this will be illegal.

 

The sponsorship/random paying club popped into my head straight away too.

[Guest Heneage]

It's been raised already but Fifa seem to happily play ignorant. The fact it's based on how much the club's make no questions asked is just asking for corruption, in theory Man City could hold a raffle and sell 20 million tickets all bought by the Sheikh and his friends at a pound each and it's fine because it's money they've raised.

[midds]

Sounds like a loophole.

 

Not like the big clubs would agree to that though......

[Guest ykmkmdd]

He's in the Ivory Coast squad to play Mali tomorrow night according to .com

 

 

[Guest sicko2ndbest]

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/3394693/Cheik-Tiote-hails-his-Newcastle-thunderbolt.html

[Village Idiot]

It's been raised already but Fifa seem to happily play ignorant. The fact it's based on how much the club's make no questions asked is just asking for corruption, in theory Man City could hold a raffle and sell 20 million tickets all bought by the Sheikh and his friends at a pound each and it's fine because it's money they've raised.

 

UEFA have also a rule within FFP that regulates "related parties" sponsorships, in order to keep them within "market prices". How effective will that be (we ourselves just got paid €30m a season for sponsorship, so 'market price' is very subjective) leaves to be said.

[Village Idiot]

http://www.uefa.com/MultimediaFiles/Download/uefaorg/Clublicensing/01/50/09/12/1500912_DOWNLOAD.pdf

 

1

Relevant income is defined as revenue from gate receipts, broadcasting rights,

sponsorship and advertising, commercial  activities and other operating income,

plus either profit on disposal of player registrations or income from disposal of

player registrations, excess proceeds on disposal of tangible fixed assets and

finance income. It does not include any non-monetary items or certain income

from non-football operations.

2

Relevant expenses is defined as cost of sales, employee benefits expenses and

other operating expenses, plus either amortisation or costs of acquiring player

registrations, finance costs and dividends. It does not include

depreciation/impairment of  tangible fixed assets, amortisation/impairment of

intangible fixed assets (other than player registrations), expenditure on youth 34

development activities, expenditure on community development activities, any

other non-monetary items, finance costs directly attributable to the construction

of tangible fixed assets, tax expenses  or certain expenses from non-football

operations.

3

Relevant income and expenses must  be calculated and reconciled by the

licensee to the annual financial statements and/or underlying accounting

records, i.e. historic, current or future financial information as appropriate.

4

Relevant income and expenses from related parties must be adjusted to reflect

the fair value of any such transactions.

5

Relevant income and expenses are further defined in Annex X.

[Guest Brazilianbob]

All the new rule means is the big clubs who have a massive turnover will be able to afford to buy the cream of the talent.  The clubs with lower turnover will be unable to speculate financially in order to step up to the next level.

 

Its just a case of the rich clubs cementing their position at the top.

 

When the lesser teams need to sell, they will no longer be able to start a bidding war to get sums like £35m, because the financial rules will prevent huge fees from the majority of clubs, so selling clubs will instead have to accept whatever the big clubs decide to throw at them, like scraps of food off their table.

 

 

[madras]

All the new rule means is the big clubs who have a massive turnover will be able to afford to buy the cream of the talent.  The clubs with lower turnover will be unable to speculate financially in order to step up to the next level.

 

Its just a case of the rich clubs cementing their position at the top.

 

When the lesser teams need to sell, they will no longer be able to start a bidding war to get sums like £35m, because the financial rules will prevent huge fees from the majority of clubs, so selling clubs will instead have to accept whatever the big clubs decide to throw at them, like scraps of food off their table.

 

 

bidding war ? honestly can't remember the last one.

[TBG]

Aye he's a good player like.

[Ginola]

Have seen a few Arsenal and Chelsea fans dismiss Tiote because he's an 'unknown'.

 

My mate who's an Arsenal fan said he'd love him there, and that was before the game on Saturday. I really hope we can hold onto him over the summer, there will definitely be some "big clubs" in for him though.

[TRon]

Why not worry about this in the summer? No point in ruining 4 months of football fretting over something like this. He's ours till then no matter what. Is it going to be like this every time we get a decent player through the doors? Or are we just so used to signing shite upon shite we can't handle having decent players at the club?

 

And if good footballers wanting to prove themselves see us as a stepping stone off selling the like of Carroll and Tiote for daft money then so be it, as there will come a time when we can hold on to them for good and hopefully if we've done it right we've got a really healthy bank balance in the process.

 

 

 

 

That's the only way we can look at it philosophically. In a year or two we might be in a position to pay wages like th CL clubs, in the meantime if we can hold onto our best players great, if we can't at least we can get big enough money to improve the squad overall at the expense of losing one player. Then keep our fingers crossed Pardew knows how to spot a player.

[Colocho]

Such a brilliant player, don't call me a racist, but it's rare you see an African player which such culture and technical ability in his play. I'll be honest, at first (and from what I saw of him in the WC) I thought this may be another naive, Martins type signing. But, this lad is incredible. His tackling, touch and passing are all impeccable. Top, top player.