Aston Villa

[Cronky]

We'll beat Everton on Sunday. Convincingly, too. Just you watch.

 

Having been the victims ourselves of a last minute manager walk-out, I'd say you need to get a permanent appointment fixed asap, or things will drift.

 

I doubt whether Mr MacDonald is your answer. He looks completely shell-shocked.

[Dave]

I can't believe how indecisive they've been considering the proximity to the close of the transfer window. Should have had someone in within a week of O'Neill going.

[nufcjmc]

I can't believe how indecisive they've been considering the proximity to the close of the transfer window. Should have had someone in within a week of O'Neill going.

 

It did seem abrupt him leaving add the lack of a quality manager couldnt have helped.

[afar]

I can't believe how indecisive they've been considering the proximity to the close of the transfer window. Should have had someone in within a week of O'Neill going.

 

I don't think the peformance against West Ham helped them. They played so well then followed it up with a win away in Europe with their reserves, that it looked like it was MacDonald's job to lose.

 

Another isssue is that there is not stand out candidates available right now.

[Cronky]

I can't believe how indecisive they've been considering the proximity to the close of the transfer window. Should have had someone in within a week of O'Neill going.

 

I don't think the peformance against West Ham helped them. They played so well then followed it up with a win away in Europe with their reserves, that it looked like it was MacDonald's job to lose.

 

Another isssue is that there is not stand out candidates available right now.

 

No-one seems to have snapped up Curbishley. At the very least, he'd be a safe pair of hands.

[Guest hobshobs]

Great summary of what it meant here:

 

22nd August 2010 - Sweet Six Nil

As the final whistle sounded at Villa Park back in May 2009 and our relegation was confirmed, Newcastle fans were witness to large numbers of home supporters indulging in totally over the top celebrations of our demise. The scenes continued outside the ground as travelling fans returned to cars, buses and trains. A poor display by a classless element of the Villa support. The six nil scoreline today was sweet.

 

Great website also:

 

http://www.scottishmags.co.uk/

 

or

 

http://www.robertwilson.talktalk.net/ScottishMags/latestnews.html

 

[Guest ObiChrisKenobi]

I can't believe how indecisive they've been considering the proximity to the close of the transfer window. Should have had someone in within a week of O'Neill going.

 

I don't think the peformance against West Ham helped them. They played so well then followed it up with a win away in Europe with their reserves, that it looked like it was MacDonald's job to lose.

 

Another isssue is that there is not stand out candidates available right now.

 

No-one seems to have snapped up Curbishley. At the very least, he'd be a safe pair of hands.

 

Interesting article a few months ago, where Curbishley basically said he had been blackballed after suing West Ham for being fired.

[brummie]

We'll beat Everton on Sunday. Convincingly, too. Just you watch.

 

 

If your last 2 performances are to go by you wont.

 

If the two before that are anything to go by, we certainly will. Two iffy performances in a row? It's hardly Leeds United is it.

 

End of the day, we got tonked by you, played well against Rapid for 70 minutes then imploded. To read some of the media coverage, you'd think we'd gone into freefall. It isn't even September. The football media in this country truly are a pack of mongs.

 

Two week break coming up. Get the manager sorted in that spell and get the right man in, and we'll be more than OK. And as for the "well, they'll probably have to appoint Les Reed" nonsense, this is a club which has finished sixth for the last three seasons, and has had a benevolent, munificent billionaire owner, widely regarded as amongst the best in the league. We've got some very good players, and a very good set up.

 

Like I said, it's hardly meltdown.

 

[brummie]

The Villa turnout was shocking and the support was even worse and I was sitting in the upper holte (which is supposed to be where the noise comes from!)

 

The turnout was shocking? The atmosphere was poor? What did you expect for a Europa League knock out game? River Plate - Boca Juniors?

 

And 30,000 is hardly dreadful is it? Far from a full house, but better, I observe, than Man City with their 23k.

 

Some of the stuff on this thread is legendary. "A few duff results and they'll have sub 20k attendances". Yes, yes, of course we will.

 

It can only be a matter of days before we start to hear that Lerner's selling the ground to build a casino, and we've applied to join the Conference.

[Dave]

[SteveMc]

We'll beat Everton on Sunday. Convincingly, too. Just you watch.

 

 

If your last 2 performances are to go by you wont.

 

If the two before that are anything to go by, we certainly will. Two iffy performances in a row? It's hardly Leeds United is it.

 

End of the day, we got tonked by you, played well against Rapid for 70 minutes then imploded. To read some of the media coverage, you'd think we'd gone into freefall. It isn't even September. The football media in this country truly are a pack of mongs.

 

Two week break coming up. Get the manager sorted in that spell and get the right man in, and we'll be more than OK. And as for the "well, they'll probably have to appoint Les Reed" nonsense, this is a club which has finished sixth for the last three seasons, and has had a benevolent, munificent billionaire owner, widely regarded as amongst the best in the league. We've got some very good players, and a very good set up.

 

Like I said, it's hardly meltdown.

 

 

All well and good, but MON obviously thought that he wasn't benevolent or munificent enough.  There may be less optimistic times ahead.  Hardly Leeds, but a bit of a come down, non?

[Skeletor]

Randy Lerner seems to be doing a Mike Ashley. Waiting until the transfer window shuts to appoint a manager so he doesn't have to spend any money. Wonder if he'll luck out like Ashley has with Hughton thus far.

[brummie]

Come down from what?

 

He was asked to do something about the wage bill, to move a few players on - like every single manager in the league has to, bar Mancini - for the first time in four years, he was asked not to just spend unfettered.

 

There's also a contradiction in "well, MON has left, he did such a good job, they're going to disintegrate now" when you think that it is his squad we have. So, he did such a great job, yet what he built in four years is so fragile it falls apart in a few weeks? Hmmm.

 

MON wanted to buy Aiden McGeady for 10m.

 

To be quite honest, I'd have thrown Lerner's wallet in the canal to stop him sanctioning that.

[brummie]

Randy Lerner seems to be doing a Mike Ashley. Waiting until the transfer window shuts to appoint a manager so he doesn't have to spend any money. Wonder if he'll luck out like Ashley has with Hughton thus far.

 

Randy Lerner is in the situation that his manager packed it in without warning five days before the start of the season, and three weeks before the end of the window. It's hard to see how you can make a good appointment in that time period.

 

Also, in completing the Milner deal, we took Ireland as a big part of it. Hardly the actions of someone who is all about the cash.

[ChezGiven]

I sincerely hope Villa's appointment goes badly and they end up having a shit season. Highly unlikely though.

 

 

[Skeletor]

Randy Lerner seems to be doing a Mike Ashley. Waiting until the transfer window shuts to appoint a manager so he doesn't have to spend any money. Wonder if he'll luck out like Ashley has with Hughton thus far.

 

Randy Lerner is in the situation that his manager packed it in without warning five days before the start of the season, and three weeks before the end of the window. It's hard to see how you can make a good appointment in that time period.

 

Also, in completing the Milner deal, we took Ireland as a big part of it. Hardly the actions of someone who is all about the cash.

 

I know there's not a lot of great managers out there at the minute but 3 weeks is plenty of time to appoint a new manager and allow him to get some players in before the end of the window.

[brummie]

I sincerely hope Villa's appointment goes badly and they end up having a shit season. Highly unlikely though.

 

 

 

Of course it is unlikely.

 

Incidentally if Man City fail to win at Sunderland tomorrow, Birmingham draw and we beat Everton, we're fourth.

 

This is a testing time, and last week was horrible, but I'm not going to commit hari kiri just yet.

[Guest localhero87]

Randy Lerner seems to be doing a Mike Ashley. Waiting until the transfer window shuts to appoint a manager so he doesn't have to spend any money. Wonder if he'll luck out like Ashley has with Hughton thus far.

 

Randy Lerner is in the situation that his manager packed it in without warning five days before the start of the season, and three weeks before the end of the window. It's hard to see how you can make a good appointment in that time period.

 

Also, in completing the Milner deal, we took Ireland as a big part of it. Hardly the actions of someone who is all about the cash.

 

Ireland may have been part of the deal but it was hardly paramount. I think Man City were actually more happy getting rid of him to lower their numbers than you were in getting him. Not to mention Ireland was laughably bad vs us, and a pykie, and a caravan owner.

[brummie]

Randy Lerner seems to be doing a Mike Ashley. Waiting until the transfer window shuts to appoint a manager so he doesn't have to spend any money. Wonder if he'll luck out like Ashley has with Hughton thus far.

 

Randy Lerner is in the situation that his manager packed it in without warning five days before the start of the season, and three weeks before the end of the window. It's hard to see how you can make a good appointment in that time period.

 

Also, in completing the Milner deal, we took Ireland as a big part of it. Hardly the actions of someone who is all about the cash.

 

I know there's not a lot of great managers out there at the minute but 3 weeks is plenty of time to appoint a new manager and allow him to get some players in before the end of the window.

 

I don't think so.

 

And we have had a player in before the end of the window, Ireland.

 

What is double annoying is that MON walked at just the time we're used to him finally remembering that the transfer window closes, and starts doing business.

 

He had a meeting with Lerner on the Saturday, which went fine, they talked about transfer moves / the impending season, Lerner flew back to the US, got back and received a phone call saying O'Neill had quit. How can be expected to swat off turmoil like that?

 

When you give the manager total free reign to run the club - which MON had - and he walks out, it is doubly difficult. We could have gone out and appointed someone just to fill the post immediately, but that would be the stupid thing to do.

 

I'm glad they're taking their time. I want them to get it right. It's too easy to knee jerk and appoint some spacker. Despite how much some people on this thread clearly want it to happen, there isn't any evidence it is going to.

 

The squad is hardly relegation material. We can easily do ok between now and January.

[brummie]

Randy Lerner seems to be doing a Mike Ashley. Waiting until the transfer window shuts to appoint a manager so he doesn't have to spend any money. Wonder if he'll luck out like Ashley has with Hughton thus far.

 

Randy Lerner is in the situation that his manager packed it in without warning five days before the start of the season, and three weeks before the end of the window. It's hard to see how you can make a good appointment in that time period.

 

Also, in completing the Milner deal, we took Ireland as a big part of it. Hardly the actions of someone who is all about the cash.

 

Ireland may have been part of the deal but it was hardly paramount. I think Man City were actually more happy getting rid of him to lower their numbers than you were in getting him. Not to mention Ireland was laughably bad vs us, and a pykie, and a caravan owner.

 

Nice bit of casual racism there.

 

What does what Man City wanted have to do with it? Lerner took him in part exchange in the deal. I would have thought that a chairman who is all about the money (and trust me, we know to spot one of those down here) would have been dealing in cash only.

 

I tend not to write players off after one game, as it happens, so I think I'll give him a bit more time than that to settle.

[Skeletor]

Randy Lerner seems to be doing a Mike Ashley. Waiting until the transfer window shuts to appoint a manager so he doesn't have to spend any money. Wonder if he'll luck out like Ashley has with Hughton thus far.

 

Randy Lerner is in the situation that his manager packed it in without warning five days before the start of the season, and three weeks before the end of the window. It's hard to see how you can make a good appointment in that time period.

 

Also, in completing the Milner deal, we took Ireland as a big part of it. Hardly the actions of someone who is all about the cash.

 

I know there's not a lot of great managers out there at the minute but 3 weeks is plenty of time to appoint a new manager and allow him to get some players in before the end of the window.

 

I don't think so.

 

And we have had a player in before the end of the window, Ireland.

 

What is double annoying is that MON walked at just the time we're used to him finally remembering that the transfer window closes, and starts doing business.

 

He had a meeting with Lerner on the Saturday, which went fine, they talked about transfer moves / the impending season, Lerner flew back to the US, got back and received a phone call saying O'Neill had quit. How can be expected to swat off turmoil like that?

 

When you give the manager total free reign to run the club - which MON had - and he walks out, it is doubly difficult. We could have gone out and appointed someone just to fill the post immediately, but that would be the stupid thing to do.

 

I'm glad they're taking their time. I want them to get it right. It's too easy to knee jerk and appoint some spacker. Despite how much some people on this thread clearly want it to happen, there isn't any evidence it is going to.

 

The squad is hardly relegation material. We can easily do ok between now and January.

 

Fair enough. If I was a Villa fan I'd worry about being left behind but I'm approaching that view having seen it happen to my own side. Who is likely to get the job out of interest?

[brummie]

I'm not worried so much as angry, to be honest, Skeletor. I'm angry that O'Neill could not have picked a worse time to leave, and I suspect he knew that. That leaves a bitter taste.

 

I've no idea who will get it. I'd like them to go after Jol, given the choice.

 

I said after the West Ham game - when, and I know West Ham are shite, we played better football than we have at home for two years, that it looked like the shackles had been taken off. I want someone who will play like that, but with some tactical nous.

 

Kevin Mac has shown in the last two games that whilst he's a decent coach, he isn't a manager. You played well against us, but really, Petrov and Ireland in a midfield two? That's asking for it.

 

It is a nightmare scenario changing manager at this point, it really is that difficult, but the chairman hasn't let us down in the last four years, and I'm happy to give him the benefit of the doubt now, he has earned it.

[Guest localhero87]

Randy Lerner seems to be doing a Mike Ashley. Waiting until the transfer window shuts to appoint a manager so he doesn't have to spend any money. Wonder if he'll luck out like Ashley has with Hughton thus far.

 

Randy Lerner is in the situation that his manager packed it in without warning five days before the start of the season, and three weeks before the end of the window. It's hard to see how you can make a good appointment in that time period.

 

Also, in completing the Milner deal, we took Ireland as a big part of it. Hardly the actions of someone who is all about the cash.

 

Ireland may have been part of the deal but it was hardly paramount. I think Man City were actually more happy getting rid of him to lower their numbers than you were in getting him. Not to mention Ireland was laughably bad vs us, and a pykie, and a caravan owner.

 

Nice bit of casual racism there.

 

What does what Man City wanted have to do with it? Lerner took him in part exchange in the deal. I would have thought that a chairman who is all about the money (and trust me, we know to spot one of those down here) would have been dealing in cash only.

 

I tend not to write players off after one game, as it happens, so I think I'll give him a bit more time than that to settle.

 

if thats racism then Thora Hird is alive and well and shackled to a wall naked in my attic.

 

Anyway, as for "what does what Man City want have to do with it"....pretty much everything, considering it was a deal WITH them. Man City's squad numbers dictate that theyve had to literally flog off players for nothing, you luckily caught one of their rubbish bags. Cardiff caught another, and so on.

 

Also, who wrote him off after one game? I'm a toon supporter on a toon forum commenting on a player's performance in isolation against the toon. Relevant? yep.

[afar]

If Villa beat Everton tomorrow, which I think is very possible, is MacDonald's hat back in the ring ? I still wouldn't be surprised if he's given the job at least till the end of the season.

 

Oh and Ireland is a pile of crap, a prototypical one season wonder.

[macca888]

Brummie

 

First of all, my sympathies regarding you, as a fan, of a club let down badly at such a crucial time of the season. Those on here who gloat, should be well ashamed, regardless of what happened 15 months ago at Villa Park and should also remember their own experiences with the "serial quitter".

 

Secondly, whilst many on here were quite rightly exhilarated by the 6-0 result (not one of us expected anything like that), we should not get too carried away. After 10 minutes, the score could and should have been much different which could have meant a whole different scenario at the final whistle. Furthermore, Villa were missing a whole host of players, especially at the back and I think we should all discount this result as any pointer to the future. Villa will survive and quite probably finish higher in the table than us.