Robster Posted November 20, 2010 Share Posted November 20, 2010 Genuine question. If Smith had been injured today - who would have played ? Guthrie centre, Routledge wide. Fair enough. So he wouldn't have been looking to delve into the youth squad. Cheers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH Posted November 20, 2010 Share Posted November 20, 2010 Guthrie is a good Championship CM. Which easily earns him a place on our bench. Him and Shola were the only ones who created anything in the first half. Two occaisons in which he contributed to goalscoring opportunities. Yet it's completely overlooked by everyone. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted November 20, 2010 Share Posted November 20, 2010 It's nobody else's fault but Hughton's that he's picked Alan Smith again. It's as simple as that. There's no excuse for it, whatsoever. If Barton was injured, on the bench or suspended for anything other than being a pleb, I'd agree. As he was a pleb, I don't and you're wrong. Both are to blame. So, my point stands then. What you're saying, is that if Barton was injured, Hughton would be moreso to blame for picking Smith? Daft. Of course I would. Does it not compute to you that Smith/Guthrie/whoever else isn't as good as Barton wouldn't be picked if Barton hadn't been stupid and got suspended? You're arguing that because Hughton shares the blame, his mistake is less pertinent. There is no excuse for playing Alan Smith. Joey Barton and Tiote being suspended don't justify it. I can tell you what I'm arguing myself cheers, and it's not that, nor am I justifying it. I'm saying that a portion of the blame lies with Joey Barton, and another portion with Chris Hughton. Tiote got suspended doing his job, Barton didn't. It's as simple as that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeloEmre Posted November 20, 2010 Share Posted November 20, 2010 Can we expect the FA to take action against Williamson? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted November 20, 2010 Share Posted November 20, 2010 I hope never to see Guthrie and Smith in a nufc shirt again. The opinion of Guthrie on this forum is ridiculous. Especially with how Nolan and Smith played today. Guthrie wasn't on the same level of shitness that Nolan and Smith showed today. Anybody with a brain can see he's not a wide player in a million years. Technique wise he's a Premier League player, however like Ronaldo has said before his physical attributes just aren't up to scratch. Not fast or strong enough and his stamina is dreadful. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IceMag Posted November 20, 2010 Share Posted November 20, 2010 What a good manager would say after a performance like today: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kT90OLq6Ge8&feature=related Sir Bobby Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BlacknWhiteArmy Posted November 20, 2010 Share Posted November 20, 2010 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted November 20, 2010 Share Posted November 20, 2010 Guthrie can't tackle, breaks up play because he's so slow, and can't take a set-piece for his life. Championship midfielder at best. Has no place in the premiership. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH Posted November 20, 2010 Share Posted November 20, 2010 He was still the best midfielder on the park in the first half. But of course, he's shit and terrible and shouldn't be in the team. Let's just play Vuckic Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted November 20, 2010 Share Posted November 20, 2010 Not saying we rely heavily on Tiote and Barton but fuck me we rely heavily on Tiote and Barton. I expected us to lose but that kind of defeat to a team that didn't have to play well takes me back 2 years. Our back up players are worryingly poor. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted November 20, 2010 Share Posted November 20, 2010 Guthrie knows better than anyone he's being misused out wide. Not his fault. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JCONA Posted November 20, 2010 Share Posted November 20, 2010 Tbf Guthries not that bad when he plays in CM, which is his position. I would of started him there and had routledge on the right. Routledge would of given us another outlet and smith just cant cut it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bluegeordie Posted November 20, 2010 Share Posted November 20, 2010 Blind Freddy can see that Barton has done great harm to our cause through his unnecessary suspension, but to use that to exonerate Hughton is ridiculous in my opinion. A manager earns his wages, and builds his reputation, by dealing with difficult situations, and today was a debacle. Do we have abundant depth in all positions? Of course not, but going into today's match I feel that there were still options available to Hughton. Firstly, while I'm not the biggest fan of Routledge or Guthrie, start them in their natural positions - Routledge wide right, and Guthrie in centre mid. That gets rid of the need to field Smith. As for the other centre mid, personally given the options available today I'd go with the tea lady, but since the (poor) decision has already been made to appoint Nolan as captain, and he does have an undeniable eye for goal, then he gets the nod. The other options that spring to mind concern the centre of defence. I recognise that stability is preferable there, and Colo and Williamson have put in some excellent performances this season, but you didn't need to be Nostradamus to predict that they would struggle with the Bolton set-up, and Davies in particular. Sooner or later, I think that Hughton needs to make the call that Colo, regardless of form, might not be the best choice for tall, physical forwards. I think that Sol would have been a wiser choice for the particular challenge that we were going to face today. In my view, the desire for stability needs to be balanced out with a "horses for courses" mentality, something which I'm not convinced Hughton displays in his managerial decisions. Finally, while I agree that the midfield contributed to the defence's problems today, I don't feel they can take all the blame. Colo and Enrique arsed about needlessly in the lead-up to the Nolan handball; Colo and Simpson's schoolboy non-clearance for the second goal was also an error that rests with the defence; as does Colo's triple personal disaster with the irritating Swede (where he let a ball bounce that he shouldn't have, then got badly outmuscled, and then went on to throw an elbow in the worst South American tradition). So yes, the midfield were shite today, but so too were our defence. In fact, apart from our number 9, we were pretty much shite across the board. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted November 20, 2010 Share Posted November 20, 2010 Guthrie knows better than anyone he's being misused out wide. Not his fault. Still he should be sticking to his position of RM more than he does, did we actually create a good attack from our right-side in the 1st 50 mins Also barton can play the position well and adapt to it, why can't guthrie? Cos he's so limited as a footballer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted November 20, 2010 Share Posted November 20, 2010 I only saw the first half, but for me the only player offering himself in an attacking sense in that midfield was Guthrie. He's not a right winger, and unfortunately for us it really shows. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted November 20, 2010 Share Posted November 20, 2010 Guthrie knows better than anyone he's being misused out wide. Not his fault. Still he should be sticking to his position of RM more than he does, did we actually create a good attack from our right-side in the 1st 50 mins Also barton can play the position well and adapt to it, why can't guthrie? Cos he's so limited as a footballer. What a crock of shit argument. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted November 20, 2010 Share Posted November 20, 2010 Guthrie knows better than anyone he's being misused out wide. Not his fault. Still he should be sticking to his position of RM more than he does, did we actually create a good attack from our right-side in the 1st 50 mins Also barton can play the position well and adapt to it, why can't guthrie? Cos he's so limited as a footballer. ...because they're different people. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH Posted November 20, 2010 Share Posted November 20, 2010 Krul's a terrible player too - doubt he could adapt to the right wing either. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted November 20, 2010 Share Posted November 20, 2010 Guthrie knows better than anyone he's being misused out wide. Not his fault. Still he should be sticking to his position of RM more than he does, did we actually create a good attack from our right-side in the 1st 50 mins Also barton can play the position well and adapt to it, why can't guthrie? Cos he's so limited as a footballer. He's less of a natural athlete than Barton and less of a footballer. Doesn't justify the rubbish you've been coming out with as he's easily our 4th best in his natural position. We looked our absolute best last season when we were getting him on the ball as often as possible in CM. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted November 20, 2010 Share Posted November 20, 2010 Guthrie knows better than anyone he's being misused out wide. Not his fault. Still he should be sticking to his position of RM more than he does, did we actually create a good attack from our right-side in the 1st 50 mins Also barton can play the position well and adapt to it, why can't guthrie? Cos he's so limited as a footballer. What a crock of shit argument. Stop defending shit footballers man. Good footballers adapt to what they are told to do, Guthrie clearly can't adapt. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH Posted November 20, 2010 Share Posted November 20, 2010 Guthrie knows better than anyone he's being misused out wide. Not his fault. Still he should be sticking to his position of RM more than he does, did we actually create a good attack from our right-side in the 1st 50 mins Also barton can play the position well and adapt to it, why can't guthrie? Cos he's so limited as a footballer. What a crock of s*** argument. Stop defending s*** footballers man. Good footballers adapt to what they are told to do, Guthrie clearly can't adapt. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dinho lad Posted November 20, 2010 Share Posted November 20, 2010 What a good manager would say after a performance like today: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kT90OLq6Ge8&feature=related Sir Bobby after which game was that again?? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted November 20, 2010 Share Posted November 20, 2010 Guthrie knows better than anyone he's being misused out wide. Not his fault. Still he should be sticking to his position of RM more than he does, did we actually create a good attack from our right-side in the 1st 50 mins Also barton can play the position well and adapt to it, why can't guthrie? Cos he's so limited as a footballer. He's less of a natural athlete than Barton and less of a footballer. Doesn't justify the rubbish you've been coming out with as he's easily our 4th best in his natural position. We looked our absolute best last season when we were getting him on the ball as often as possible in CM. Last season in the championship woopie fucking do. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted November 20, 2010 Share Posted November 20, 2010 Guthrie knows better than anyone he's being misused out wide. Not his fault. Still he should be sticking to his position of RM more than he does, did we actually create a good attack from our right-side in the 1st 50 mins Also barton can play the position well and adapt to it, why can't guthrie? Cos he's so limited as a footballer. What a crock of s*** argument. Stop defending s*** footballers man. Good footballers adapt to what they are told to do, Guthrie clearly can't adapt. Again, absolute mental argument. There are some fucking fantastic footballers that would struggle to play out of position. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted November 20, 2010 Share Posted November 20, 2010 Guthrie knows better than anyone he's being misused out wide. Not his fault. Still he should be sticking to his position of RM more than he does, did we actually create a good attack from our right-side in the 1st 50 mins Also barton can play the position well and adapt to it, why can't guthrie? Cos he's so limited as a footballer. What a crock of s*** argument. Stop defending s*** footballers man. Good footballers adapt to what they are told to do, Guthrie clearly can't adapt. Fucking hell, no offence like, but if you believe that then you clearly haven't got a clue how football works. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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