JCONA Posted November 20, 2010 Share Posted November 20, 2010 This thread 5-1 the unwashed didnt drop anyone and look at them now Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted November 20, 2010 Share Posted November 20, 2010 This thread 5-1 the unwashed didnt drop anyone and look at them now You haven't seen enough of Smith and Nolan in central midfield together to have decided maybe it isn't such a good idea? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JCONA Posted November 20, 2010 Share Posted November 20, 2010 Ive seen enough of alot of things. I expect to be seeming more of it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Heneage Posted November 20, 2010 Share Posted November 20, 2010 The next youngster we should blood is not him, it needs to be Lua Lua. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted November 20, 2010 Share Posted November 20, 2010 The next youngster we should blood is not him, it needs to be Lua Lua. He's already been blooded but in a slightly more gruesome sense. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Spaceman Posted November 20, 2010 Share Posted November 20, 2010 He desperately needs to go to the Boro or somewhere similarly shite and turn them good for a couple of months. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
binnsy Posted November 21, 2010 Share Posted November 21, 2010 i think Vuckic has looked better in every game he played during the carling cup run and played well against Arsenal when he was played more in his natural position rather than as a central 2 as he did against Accrington and Chelsea. If we drop Nolan back into midfield alongside Tiote and Shola is still not 100%(he didn't look fit against Bolton) then i wouldn't have a problem playing Vuckic behind Carroll. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallace Posted November 21, 2010 Share Posted November 21, 2010 If Vuckic is as talented as they say, then he needs to start getting some game time with the first team or to be sent out on loan. He would be my preferred option behind Carroll with the players we have missing as perhaps he can provide the creative spark we are lacking. However, I am sure I read last week that he is injured himself. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted November 21, 2010 Share Posted November 21, 2010 Far too early for him man, but he looks a star in the making. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willow Posted November 21, 2010 Share Posted November 21, 2010 This thread. Kneejerking starting as per usual. It's Big TRon, what do you expect? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Begbie Posted November 21, 2010 Share Posted November 21, 2010 Far too early for him man, but he looks a star in the making. I hate that we are always thinking that way.. It was also to early for Shola Ameobi until a couple of years ago. We should give him the odd game here and there when he is fit.. If you are good enough the age doesnt matter. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted November 21, 2010 Share Posted November 21, 2010 Far too early for him man, but he looks a star in the making. I hate that we are always thinking that way.. It was also to early for Shola Ameobi until a couple of years ago. We should give him the odd game here and there when he is fit.. If you are good enough the age doesnt matter. That's what I said to the judge but it didn't work. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted November 21, 2010 Share Posted November 21, 2010 Far too early for him man, but he looks a star in the making. I hate that we are always thinking that way.. It was also to early for Shola Ameobi until a couple of years ago. We should give him the odd game here and there when he is fit.. If you are good enough the age doesnt matter. He's not good enough yet, that's the point. That Shola point makes absolutely no sense either, no one used to say he wasn't ready a couple of years ago, they said he was shite. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Stephen927 Posted November 21, 2010 Share Posted November 21, 2010 The problem is, his favoured position is very much a specialised role. We played a system at the start of the season that would have been tailor made for him, I'm not sure you can play him in the current 4-4-2. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted November 21, 2010 Share Posted November 21, 2010 We need him out on loan or we risk setting him back like we've done with Ranger. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ObiChrisKenobi Posted November 21, 2010 Share Posted November 21, 2010 We need him out on loan or we risk setting him back like we've done with Ranger. We didn't set Ranger back; Ranger's attitude set Ranger back. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frazzle Posted November 21, 2010 Share Posted November 21, 2010 Far too early for him man, but he looks a star in the making. I hate that we are always thinking that way.. It was also to early for Shola Ameobi until a couple of years ago. We should give him the odd game here and there when he is fit.. If you are good enough the age doesnt matter. He's not good enough yet, that's the point. That Shola point makes absolutely no sense either, no one used to say he wasn't ready a couple of years ago, they said he was s****. If Ranger is getting game time I can't see how Vuckic shouldn't get the odd ten minutes here and there. Vuckic was better than a Ryan Taylor, Routledge and Smith at least against Arsenal and those players are on the bench and around the first team. We should've given Vuckic more game time last season when we were cruising, we were beating teams by 3, 4 and 5 and didn't give any youngsters a chance. Now when we are thin on the ground none of the youngsters have any experience and so Hughton seems nervous to stick them in the team. Villa at the moment must be playing with about 6 players under 20, I don't see why Vuckic couldn't have been given 5-10 mins against Villa (6-0 up) or Sunderland (5-0 up). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted November 21, 2010 Share Posted November 21, 2010 We need him out on loan or we risk setting him back like we've done with Ranger. We didn't set Ranger back; Ranger's attitude set Ranger back. His attitude might not be the best but we've handled his development poorly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted November 21, 2010 Share Posted November 21, 2010 Far too early for him man, but he looks a star in the making. I hate that we are always thinking that way.. It was also to early for Shola Ameobi until a couple of years ago. We should give him the odd game here and there when he is fit.. If you are good enough the age doesnt matter. He's not good enough yet, that's the point. That Shola point makes absolutely no sense either, no one used to say he wasn't ready a couple of years ago, they said he was s****. If Ranger is getting game time I can't see how Vuckic shouldn't get the odd ten minutes here and there. Vuckic was better than a Ryan Taylor, Routledge and Smith at least against Arsenal and those players are on the bench and around the first team. We should've given Vuckic more game time last season when we were cruising, we were beating teams by 3, 4 and 5 and didn't give any youngsters a chance. Now when we are thin on the ground none of the youngsters have any experience and so Hughton seems nervous to stick them in the team. Villa at the moment must be playing with about 6 players under 20, I don't see why Vuckic couldn't have been given 5-10 mins against Villa (6-0 up) or Sunderland (5-0 up). Vuckic was injured all last season man. There's no room/point in playing players for 10 minutes here and there in matches who need to be learning. Vuckic ideally would be out on loan, but our thin squad dictates that he needs to stay. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ObiChrisKenobi Posted November 21, 2010 Share Posted November 21, 2010 We need him out on loan or we risk setting him back like we've done with Ranger. We didn't set Ranger back; Ranger's attitude set Ranger back. His attitude might not be the best but we've handled his development poorly. Very little you can do for a player if he's simply not interested in training/learning (developing). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frazzle Posted November 21, 2010 Share Posted November 21, 2010 Far too early for him man, but he looks a star in the making. I hate that we are always thinking that way.. It was also to early for Shola Ameobi until a couple of years ago. We should give him the odd game here and there when he is fit.. If you are good enough the age doesnt matter. He's not good enough yet, that's the point. That Shola point makes absolutely no sense either, no one used to say he wasn't ready a couple of years ago, they said he was s****. If Ranger is getting game time I can't see how Vuckic shouldn't get the odd ten minutes here and there. Vuckic was better than a Ryan Taylor, Routledge and Smith at least against Arsenal and those players are on the bench and around the first team. We should've given Vuckic more game time last season when we were cruising, we were beating teams by 3, 4 and 5 and didn't give any youngsters a chance. Now when we are thin on the ground none of the youngsters have any experience and so Hughton seems nervous to stick them in the team. Villa at the moment must be playing with about 6 players under 20, I don't see why Vuckic couldn't have been given 5-10 mins against Villa (6-0 up) or Sunderland (5-0 up). Vuckic was injured all last season man. There's no room/point in playing players for 10 minutes here and there in matches who need to be learning. Vuckic ideally would be out on loan, but our thin squad dictates that he needs to stay. He wasn't injured 'all' season, and how is there no point in playing players for 10 minutes here and there who 'need to be learning'? He will be learning when he's playing, that's the point. The best way to improve is through playing games, Carroll is one of the best examples of this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted November 21, 2010 Share Posted November 21, 2010 Do we know this about Ranger other than he looks like a little gangster so must act like one? Hasn't he followed a similar path so far to Carroll? The only problem being Ranger is much further up the pecking order at the same age so we can't really let him go? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BlacknWhiteArmy Posted November 21, 2010 Share Posted November 21, 2010 Far too early for him man, but he looks a star in the making. I hate that we are always thinking that way.. It was also to early for Shola Ameobi until a couple of years ago. We should give him the odd game here and there when he is fit.. If you are good enough the age doesnt matter. He's not good enough yet, that's the point. That Shola point makes absolutely no sense either, no one used to say he wasn't ready a couple of years ago, they said he was s****. If Ranger is getting game time I can't see how Vuckic shouldn't get the odd ten minutes here and there. Vuckic was better than a Ryan Taylor, Routledge and Smith at least against Arsenal and those players are on the bench and around the first team. We should've given Vuckic more game time last season when we were cruising, we were beating teams by 3, 4 and 5 and didn't give any youngsters a chance. Now when we are thin on the ground none of the youngsters have any experience and so Hughton seems nervous to stick them in the team. Villa at the moment must be playing with about 6 players under 20, I don't see why Vuckic couldn't have been given 5-10 mins against Villa (6-0 up) or Sunderland (5-0 up). I'm not sure "the odd 5-10 mins" will do too much for his development, really. He needs consistent game time out on loan, not whilst we're trying to stay up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted November 21, 2010 Share Posted November 21, 2010 We need him out on loan or we risk setting him back like we've done with Ranger. We didn't set Ranger back; Ranger's attitude set Ranger back. His attitude might not be the best but we've handled his development poorly. Very little you can do for a player if he's simply not interested in training/learning (developing). And that's him is it? Bold claim. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ObiChrisKenobi Posted November 21, 2010 Share Posted November 21, 2010 Do we know this about Ranger other than he looks like a little gangster so must act like one? Hasn't he followed a similar path so far to Carroll? The only problem being Ranger is much further up the pecking order at the same age so we can't really let him go? It's not 100% first hand knowledge, just hearsay from people you'd hope would know. It's public info he was released from Southampton for behaviour issues and his 'gangsta' lifestyle. The club have refused loan offers from Southern Clubs as they don't want him to slip back in with his old crowd. Been more than one person saying that his attitude towards training is pretty unforgivable for a young player. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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