Alan Pardew

[AyeDubbleYoo]

 

I am sure every NUFC fan does want the money spent on improving the team, but when Ashley is owed £200 million (or whatever the figure is), he might be somewhat reluctant to pump all the profit the club makes into transfers.

 

I would love us to go out and spend £35 million tomorrow, but the fact is Ashley owns the club, Ashley is owed money and we have no right to demand that he spends the money.  Depressing though that may be.

 

"The one thing I said to Mike yesterday was, 'Look, if this boy is going to go, this money has to be reinvested in the team, all of it', and he has assured me of that.

 

"For the Newcastle fan, that is the most important message I can give today, that all that money will be used.

 

You're wasting your time

 

Funny how both sides of this debate think they're wasting their time. How about we just discuss it instead of whinging?

[mrmojorisin75]

I am sure every NUFC fan does want the money spent on improving the team, but when Ashley is owed £200 million (or whatever the figure is), he might be somewhat reluctant to pump all the profit the club makes into transfers.

 

I would love us to go out and spend £35 million tomorrow, but the fact is Ashley owns the club, Ashley is owed money and we have no right to demand that he spends the money.  Depressing though that may be.

 

sorry but it doesn't work like that, he's bought a football club and needs to act accordingly

 

let's say he bought a company that provided a service but was burned on the debt like he was with us how likely is he to make it succeed and pay back by cutting spending and providing a poorer service to his customers?  not very

 

if he'd bought a famous comic book company 'cause he liked comic books, he'd not succeed by cutting production costs, hiring cheaper artists and writers and generally destroying the morale of his company and fanbase would he?

 

the man is an utter cunt

[Mick]

 

But the only way we can spend while making a loss is for Ashley to dip into his own pockets. Either he finances the spending or he lends us more money to cover our losses.

 

But the income can only be spent on the squad if doing so doesn't create a debt position that's unsustainable. Previously that meant not lending more than Barclays would allow, now the decision is down to Mike. I'm not saying Ashley's definition of how big the debt is or how much we should be spending is correct, but it is what it is.

 

When we post a few years of accounts where we're in the black then obviously I'll have to change my mind about the situation, but I think that's a fair way off.

 

At the end of the day the accounts will speak for themselves.

 

So you'll be happy for us to spend nothing until we've been running at a profit for a few years. 

[Mick]

 

The mistake was saying that, not refusing to do it.

 

Why is that the case?

[Guest Antec]

 

I am sure every NUFC fan does want the money spent on improving the team, but when Ashley is owed £200 million (or whatever the figure is), he might be somewhat reluctant to pump all the profit the club makes into transfers.

 

I would love us to go out and spend £35 million tomorrow, but the fact is Ashley owns the club, Ashley is owed money and we have no right to demand that he spends the money.  Depressing though that may be.

 

"The one thing I said to Mike yesterday was, 'Look, if this boy is going to go, this money has to be reinvested in the team, all of it', and he has assured me of that.

 

"For the Newcastle fan, that is the most important message I can give today, that all that money will be used.

 

You're wasting your time

 

Funny how both sides of this debate think they're wasting their time. How about we just discuss it instead of whinging?

 

You will just twist and squirm and continue to ignore the facts as usual. Like I said, waste of time

[mrmojorisin75]

 

But the only way we can spend while making a loss is for Ashley to dip into his own pockets. Either he finances the spending or he lends us more money to cover our losses.

 

But the income can only be spent on the squad if doing so doesn't create a debt position that's unsustainable. Previously that meant not lending more than Barclays would allow, now the decision is down to Mike. I'm not saying Ashley's definition of how big the debt is or how much we should be spending is correct, but it is what it is.

 

When we post a few years of accounts where we're in the black then obviously I'll have to change my mind about the situation, but I think that's a fair way off.

 

At the end of the day the accounts will speak for themselves.

 

So you'll be happy for us to spend nothing until we've been running at a profit for a few years.  

 

i'm tired of this shit now, as i've just said elsewhere - when you're making losses in business you don't just stop doing the things that are likely to generate more revenue for the company

 

yes you cut overheads and costs within reason whilst trying to maximise profit

 

what ashley is doing now is not that, he's taking the fucking piss, no club ever had sustained success without a modicum of investment and never will

[AyeDubbleYoo]

 

But the only way we can spend while making a loss is for Ashley to dip into his own pockets. Either he finances the spending or he lends us more money to cover our losses.

 

But the income can only be spent on the squad if doing so doesn't create a debt position that's unsustainable. Previously that meant not lending more than Barclays would allow, now the decision is down to Mike. I'm not saying Ashley's definition of how big the debt is or how much we should be spending is correct, but it is what it is.

 

When we post a few years of accounts where we're in the black then obviously I'll have to change my mind about the situation, but I think that's a fair way off.

 

At the end of the day the accounts will speak for themselves.

 

So you'll be happy for us to spend nothing until we've been running at a profit for a few years. 

 

Not at all, but I accept that limited spending is that way that Ashley is going to run the club, and I don't think it's a bad thing in principle. Spunking massive fees on overpaid wasters is just as bad IMO.

[Guest Antec]

 

But the only way we can spend while making a loss is for Ashley to dip into his own pockets. Either he finances the spending or he lends us more money to cover our losses.

 

But the income can only be spent on the squad if doing so doesn't create a debt position that's unsustainable. Previously that meant not lending more than Barclays would allow, now the decision is down to Mike. I'm not saying Ashley's definition of how big the debt is or how much we should be spending is correct, but it is what it is.

 

When we post a few years of accounts where we're in the black then obviously I'll have to change my mind about the situation, but I think that's a fair way off.

 

At the end of the day the accounts will speak for themselves.

 

So you'll be happy for us to spend nothing until we've been running at a profit for a few years. 

 

[AyeDubbleYoo]

 

I am sure every NUFC fan does want the money spent on improving the team, but when Ashley is owed £200 million (or whatever the figure is), he might be somewhat reluctant to pump all the profit the club makes into transfers.

 

I would love us to go out and spend £35 million tomorrow, but the fact is Ashley owns the club, Ashley is owed money and we have no right to demand that he spends the money.  Depressing though that may be.

 

"The one thing I said to Mike yesterday was, 'Look, if this boy is going to go, this money has to be reinvested in the team, all of it', and he has assured me of that.

 

"For the Newcastle fan, that is the most important message I can give today, that all that money will be used.

 

You're wasting your time

 

Funny how both sides of this debate think they're wasting their time. How about we just discuss it instead of whinging?

 

You will just twist and squirm and continue to ignore the facts as usual. Like I said, waste of time

 

I don't know what facts I'm supposed to have ignored.

[Mick]

 

And?  I am not sure what your point is?  That doesn't really change what I said, unless you think Pardew could have stopped the sale of Carroll if Ashley had told him he wasn't getting any of the money?

Where did I suggest that Pardew could have stopped the Carroll sale?  I do think he could have put up a fight  but in the end I realise that he was powerless.  We've also been told that Ashley will not take any money out of the club so the debt to him is irrelevant.

[mrmojorisin75]

Not at all, but I accept that limited spending is that way that Ashley is going to run the club, and I don't think it's a bad thing in principle. Spunking massive fees on overpaid wasters is just as bad IMO.

 

flaw 1: he's not sanctioning "limited spending", we're not spending anything

flaw 2: why can't we be as prudent with money as we appear to be without it?  why does every call for money preclude it being spent on "overpaid wasters" nowadays?

[AyeDubbleYoo]

 

But the only way we can spend while making a loss is for Ashley to dip into his own pockets. Either he finances the spending or he lends us more money to cover our losses.

 

But the income can only be spent on the squad if doing so doesn't create a debt position that's unsustainable. Previously that meant not lending more than Barclays would allow, now the decision is down to Mike. I'm not saying Ashley's definition of how big the debt is or how much we should be spending is correct, but it is what it is.

 

When we post a few years of accounts where we're in the black then obviously I'll have to change my mind about the situation, but I think that's a fair way off.

 

At the end of the day the accounts will speak for themselves.

 

So you'll be happy for us to spend nothing until we've been running at a profit for a few years. 

 

i'm tired of this shit now, as i've just said elsewhere - when you're making losses in business you don't just stop doing the things that are likely to generate more revenue for the company

 

yes you cut overheads and costs within reason whilst trying to maximise profit

 

what ashley is doing now is not that, he's taking the fucking piss, no club ever had sustained success without a modicum of investment and never will

 

Of course you don't, that's a fair point. As I've said, I'm not saying Ashley has set the spending limits at the right amount, it's not an exact science.

 

Obviously if he spends a bit more on the right players we might do a bit better in the league and therefore earn a bit more money. Maybe even enough to offset the cost of those players. That's the decision the owner has to make.

[Guest Antec]

 

I am sure every NUFC fan does want the money spent on improving the team, but when Ashley is owed £200 million (or whatever the figure is), he might be somewhat reluctant to pump all the profit the club makes into transfers.

 

I would love us to go out and spend £35 million tomorrow, but the fact is Ashley owns the club, Ashley is owed money and we have no right to demand that he spends the money.  Depressing though that may be.

 

"The one thing I said to Mike yesterday was, 'Look, if this boy is going to go, this money has to be reinvested in the team, all of it', and he has assured me of that.

 

"For the Newcastle fan, that is the most important message I can give today, that all that money will be used.

 

You're wasting your time

 

Funny how both sides of this debate think they're wasting their time. How about we just discuss it instead of whinging?

 

You will just twist and squirm and continue to ignore the facts as usual. Like I said, waste of time

 

I don't know what facts I'm supposed to have ignored.

 

The first six words of my previous post perfectly illustrated, thank you and goodnight

[Mick]

 

Not at all, but I accept that limited spending is that way that Ashley is going to run the club, and I don't think it's a bad thing in principle. Spunking massive fees on overpaid wasters is just as bad IMO.

 

I agree that spunking massive fees on overpaid wasters is just as bad, nobody is suggesting that we do that.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

Not at all, but I accept that limited spending is that way that Ashley is going to run the club, and I don't think it's a bad thing in principle. Spunking massive fees on overpaid wasters is just as bad IMO.

 

flaw 1: he's not sanctioning "limited spending", we're not spending anything

flaw 2: why can't we be as prudent with money as we appear to be without it?  why does every call for money preclude it being spent on "overpaid wasters" nowadays?

 

We're spending all the time, just not necessarily enough on transfer fees. The club accounts won't show £0 outgoings as far as I know.

 

On your second point, obviously that's possible, I've never denied that more spending could lead to more success and more income. It might, it might not.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

 

I am sure every NUFC fan does want the money spent on improving the team, but when Ashley is owed £200 million (or whatever the figure is), he might be somewhat reluctant to pump all the profit the club makes into transfers.

 

I would love us to go out and spend £35 million tomorrow, but the fact is Ashley owns the club, Ashley is owed money and we have no right to demand that he spends the money.  Depressing though that may be.

 

"The one thing I said to Mike yesterday was, 'Look, if this boy is going to go, this money has to be reinvested in the team, all of it', and he has assured me of that.

 

"For the Newcastle fan, that is the most important message I can give today, that all that money will be used.

 

You're wasting your time

 

Funny how both sides of this debate think they're wasting their time. How about we just discuss it instead of whinging?

 

You will just twist and squirm and continue to ignore the facts as usual. Like I said, waste of time

 

I don't know what facts I'm supposed to have ignored.

 

The first six words of my previous post perfectly illustrated, thank you and goodnight

 

Night.

[Hughesy]

I am sure every NUFC fan does want the money spent on improving the team, but when Ashley is owed £200 million (or whatever the figure is), he might be somewhat reluctant to pump all the profit the club makes into transfers.

 

I would love us to go out and spend £35 million tomorrow, but the fact is Ashley owns the club, Ashley is owed money and we have no right to demand that he spends the money.  Depressing though that may be.

 

sorry but it doesn't work like that, he's bought a football club and needs to act accordingly

 

let's say he bought a company that provided a service but was burned on the debt like he was with us how likely is he to make it succeed and pay back by cutting spending and providing a poorer service to his customers?  not very

 

if he'd bought a famous comic book company 'cause he liked comic books, he'd not succeed by cutting production costs, hiring cheaper artists and writers and generally destroying the morale of his company and fanbase would he?

 

the man is an utter c***

 

There isn't only one way to run a business.

 

But, cutting costs in one of the most important ways that a company losing money can reduce its losses and even make a profit.  In fact, it's probably the first thing that any purchaser of any business would do.

[timnufc22]

I am sure every NUFC fan does want the money spent on improving the team, but when Ashley is owed £200 million (or whatever the figure is), he might be somewhat reluctant to pump all the profit the club makes into transfers.

 

I would love us to go out and spend £35 million tomorrow, but the fact is Ashley owns the club, Ashley is owed money and we have no right to demand that he spends the money.  Depressing though that may be.

 

sorry but it doesn't work like that, he's bought a football club and needs to act accordingly

 

let's say he bought a company that provided a service but was burned on the debt like he was with us how likely is he to make it succeed and pay back by cutting spending and providing a poorer service to his customers?  not very

 

if he'd bought a famous comic book company 'cause he liked comic books, he'd not succeed by cutting production costs, hiring cheaper artists and writers and generally destroying the morale of his company and fanbase would he?

 

the man is an utter c***

 

Exactly, people are talking as if his name was picked out of a hat as the unlucky bugger who had to buy us. It was his choice to buy us, so there was motivation to do so. So what was (and is) that motivation? You cant just buy a football club and then act beyond the realms of normality as to what's appropriate for the club because 'its costing him money' and 'we owe him money'... he choose to buy it! So it is then his duty to attempt to run it with some intention of making the main purpose of the damn thing work - the football side, what happens on the pitch. And there's a difference between putting the clubs future at risk and spending some sensible money, surley.

[Guest Antec]

 

Not at all, but I accept that limited spending is that way that Ashley is going to run the club, and I don't think it's a bad thing in principle. Spunking massive fees on overpaid wasters is just as bad IMO.

 

I agree that spunking massive fees on overpaid wasters is just as bad, nobody is suggesting that we do that.

 

Not one single person that I know of in fact

[AyeDubbleYoo]

 

Not at all, but I accept that limited spending is that way that Ashley is going to run the club, and I don't think it's a bad thing in principle. Spunking massive fees on overpaid wasters is just as bad IMO.

 

I agree that spunking massive fees on overpaid wasters is just as bad, nobody is suggesting that we do that.

 

Not one single person that I know of in fact

 

I know, I was just implying that big spending doesn't necessarily bring success.

 

It might, it might not, the question is getting the balance right. As I've said loads of times, I'm not saying Ashley has set the bar at the right place, but it's not an exact science anyway.

[Mick]

 

There isn't only one way to run a business.

 

But, cutting costs in one of the most important ways that a company losing money can reduce its losses and even make a profit.  In fact, it's probably the first thing that any purchaser of any business would do.

 

We've cut our costs and have a budget to work to that we've been told had us close to break even before selling Carroll.

 

We've had a cash windfall and most businesses would use that to crack on and build up the business, we don’t seem to be willing to do that. 

 

[mrmojorisin75]

There isn't only one way to run a business.

 

But, cutting costs in one of the most important ways that a company losing money can reduce its losses and even make a profit.  In fact, it's probably the first thing that any purchaser of any business would do.

 

cheers Sherlock

 

there's cutting costs and cutting costs - you're so keen to compare football to other businesses would a manufacturing company cut costs by using inferior materials, machinery and people and expect their business to maintain itself or grow?  i fucking doubt it

 

unless you have no choice, i.e. going bust is looming, you don't just butcher everything, cut every cost and stop investing in expanding your business, there has to be balance - presently we have no balance, it's all one way

 

ashley is not in that position, he's not short of money himself he's choosing to run the club this way

[mrmojorisin75]

I know, I was just implying that big spending doesn't necessarily bring success.

 

no one is even asking for "spending big" anymore ian, just some modest investment to try and improve us on the pitch and stop us standing still or going backwards

 

i've never had more faith in our scouting than i have at the moment but like everything with ashley it's always dysfunctional - should be an ashley meme:

 

"ASSEMBLE CRACK SCOUTING SQUAD, DON'T BUY ANY PLAYERS"

[Guest ykmkmdd]

I like him. Pardew that is. Didn't think I would, but seems a canny enough bloke to me. Has to work under an interfering arsehole of a boss, but 90% of us have been there and managed to get on with it OK - sometimes if you value your job you've just got to swallow some shite from above.

[Dave]

I know, I was just implying that big spending doesn't necessarily bring success.

 

no one is even asking for "spending big" anymore ian, just some modest investment to try and improve us on the pitch and stop us standing still or going backwards

 

i've never had more faith in our scouting than i have at the moment but like everything with ashley it's always dysfunctional - should be an ashley meme:

 

"ASSEMBLE CRACK SCOUTING SQUAD, DON'T BUY ANY PLAYERS"

 

 

So true. We've got this amazing chief scout who the club love to praise at every turn, yet we seemingly aren't willing to back his judgement with transfer fees. What's the fucking point?