Guest Posted August 24, 2011 Share Posted August 24, 2011 Btw, I accept him making a stand wouldn't get nufc any further forward, as he'd be replaced by some other puppet, but at least he'd have some f***ing pride. He knew what he was coming into. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sicko2ndbest Posted August 24, 2011 Share Posted August 24, 2011 What would you do? Would you accept being constantly lied to by your employers? (presuming of course he isn't just a liar himself). He needs more time in the job to broaden his CV. He knows if he is top 8 in January and the board are still fucking around he can resign from a position of strength Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxfree Posted August 24, 2011 Share Posted August 24, 2011 What would you do? Would you accept being constantly lied to by your employers? (presuming of course he isn't just a liar himself). Don't avoid the question, man. What do you reckon he should do? He can't do nowt except pushing for players to come in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 24, 2011 Share Posted August 24, 2011 What would you do? Would you accept being constantly lied to by your employers? (presuming of course he isn't just a liar himself). He needs more time in the job to broaden his CV. He knows if he is top 8 in January and the board are still f***ing around he can resign from a position of strength People were saying similar about Hughton 9 months ago tbf. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lovejoy Posted August 24, 2011 Share Posted August 24, 2011 Btw, I accept him making a stand wouldn't get nufc any further forward, as he'd be replaced by some other puppet, but at least he'd have some f***ing pride. He knew what he was coming into. Again, I can't respect him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 24, 2011 Share Posted August 24, 2011 That'd be the case with any manager of Newcastle then for as long as Ashley remains. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lovejoy Posted August 24, 2011 Share Posted August 24, 2011 What would you do? Would you accept being constantly lied to by your employers? (presuming of course he isn't just a liar himself). Don't avoid the question, man. What do you reckon he should do? He can't do nowt except pushing for players to come in. Sorry, diet mean to avoid it, thought what I had said was pretty self explanatory, make a stand. That's what I think he should do. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxfree Posted August 24, 2011 Share Posted August 24, 2011 He shouldn't risk his job. Not now at least. It would be devastating if Pardew left at this point. And tbf, he's done good under given circumstances. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lovejoy Posted August 24, 2011 Share Posted August 24, 2011 That'd be the case with any manager of Newcastle then for as long as Ashley remains. I don't disagree. As I said, we won't be any further forward should he grow a backbone, but he'd gain some respect at least. I accept the point he knew what he was coming into, which is why I question him massively as a person. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lovejoy Posted August 24, 2011 Share Posted August 24, 2011 He shouldn't risk his job. Not now at least. It would be devastating if Pardew left at this point. And tbf, he's done good under given circumstances. I agree entirely that we have started well, he has to take credit for that, but how long can he carry on for? Being constantly lied to? I also agree on the disaster point, which makes it all so desperately depressing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spider Jerusalem Posted August 24, 2011 Share Posted August 24, 2011 What would you do? Would you accept being constantly lied to by your employers? (presuming of course he isn't just a liar himself). Don't avoid the question, man. What do you reckon he should do? He can't do nowt except pushing for players to come in. Personally though I can't see that what he has done from day one has pushed for players to either be brought in or retained. He's sucked the big old cock and misrepresented the actual situation to the media and the supporter of the club. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 24, 2011 Share Posted August 24, 2011 That'd be the case with any manager of Newcastle then for as long as Ashley remains. I don't disagree. As I said, we won't be any further forward should he grow a backbone, but he'd gain some respect at least. I accept the point he knew what he was coming into, which is why I question him massively as a person. See, this is where I disagree. Work isn't always a cakewalk, employers are never always perfect. He came to a club where he wasn't wanted by the fans from day one and has done a pretty solid job. It shows some character to get on with your job and work with what you've got. Of course he'd have preferred one or two of the players gone still to be here, or one or two missed targets to be here as well, but he's still got a pretty talented group to work with and as long as he gets them playing, he'll have my support and respect. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lovejoy Posted August 24, 2011 Share Posted August 24, 2011 There's a massive difference between 'never always perfect' and this lot. I've lost count of the number of lies man. And it's only been 9 months! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxfree Posted August 24, 2011 Share Posted August 24, 2011 Fact is, it won't be any better with any other manager. Ashley will still run the show, unfortunately. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lovejoy Posted August 24, 2011 Share Posted August 24, 2011 Fact is, it won't be any better with any other manager. Ashley will still run the show, unfortunately. Yep. Minging isn't it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ_NUFC Posted August 24, 2011 Share Posted August 24, 2011 Ball-less man and the worst kind of yes-man there is: an Ashley yes-man. Hope to fuck he doesn't quit though Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lovejoy Posted August 24, 2011 Share Posted August 24, 2011 Ball-less man and the worst kind of yes-man there is: an Ashley yes-man. Hope to f*** he doesn't quit though Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lovejoy Posted August 24, 2011 Share Posted August 24, 2011 His stance on Barton has been clear, he has played him in both games, he wants him. Why not fight for it? You could say he may have done, but he clearly didn't do a very good job Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 24, 2011 Share Posted August 24, 2011 Ball-less man and the worst kind of yes-man there is: an Ashley yes-man. Hope to f*** he doesn't quit though I think you'll see it happening at more and more clubs in our boat tbh. I bet whoever comes in after Moyes at Everton is going to have fun trying to convince Kenwright to keep the likes of Baines & Jagielka, we've already seen at Villa they're tightening their purse strings, do you think McLeish had much say in Downing going? Sure they got N'Zogbia, but they're still around £20m in profit over the past year and McLeish has been told it's freebies & loans from now on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lovejoy Posted August 24, 2011 Share Posted August 24, 2011 I posted the other day that pardew probably has more chance of another job doing things the way he is, more and more want yes men, sad, but true. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crumpy Gunt Posted August 24, 2011 Share Posted August 24, 2011 I'd think a lot more of Pardew if he went to the hierarchy and said 'if Barton goes then so do I' The blokes dignity is being ripped off him strip by strip and I find it impossible to think he can't either put his foot down to get what HE wants or then does the decent thing. If he walked over the sale of Barton I'd regain all the respect I've lost for him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxfree Posted August 24, 2011 Share Posted August 24, 2011 I'd think a lot more of Pardew if he went to the hierarchy and said 'if Barton goes then so do I' The blokes dignity is being ripped off him strip by strip and I find it impossible to think he can't either put his foot down to get what HE wants or then does the decent thing. If he walked over the sale of Barton I'd regain all the respect I've lost for him. Why the fuck would he do that? Give over with that shit. No good would come out of that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crumpy Gunt Posted August 24, 2011 Share Posted August 24, 2011 I'd think a lot more of Pardew if he went to the hierarchy and said 'if Barton goes then so do I' The blokes dignity is being ripped off him strip by strip and I find it impossible to think he can't either put his foot down to get what HE wants or then does the decent thing. If he walked over the sale of Barton I'd regain all the respect I've lost for him. Why the fuck would he do that? Give over with that shit. No good would come out of that. How do you think the players he manages will view the fact he's weak as piss and can't fight their corner for them? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David28 Posted August 24, 2011 Share Posted August 24, 2011 I'd think a lot more of Pardew if he went to the hierarchy and said 'if Barton goes then so do I' The blokes dignity is being ripped off him strip by strip and I find it impossible to think he can't either put his foot down to get what HE wants or then does the decent thing. If he walked over the sale of Barton I'd regain all the respect I've lost for him. Why the fuck would he do that? Give over with that shit. No good would come out of that. If he had character he'd do it. Pardew is a yes-man, though. The reason why he (still) has the job btw. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PineBarrens Posted August 24, 2011 Share Posted August 24, 2011 It must be like groundhog day for the poor get - 'I'd like some new players please Mike' 'No' 'Mike, I need new players' 'I'll just talk over you. Go on, try asking again and see what happens' 'I need...' 'I'm not buying you any new players, I'm not buying you any new players...' 'Daniel Sturridge?' 'Stop mentioning Daniel Sturridge Alan, you're never going to meet him' Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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