Guest Haris Vuckic Posted March 4, 2012 Share Posted March 4, 2012 He's nothing like Roeder I did like Roeder though, a thoroughly decent chap! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted March 4, 2012 Share Posted March 4, 2012 I think league position will be a decent indicator of how he's done like, that's kind of the point of a league. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Si Posted March 4, 2012 Share Posted March 4, 2012 We are sixth for the price of Cisse and a bore hole, in a season where we have used Shola, Guthrie, Perch, Raylor, Simpson, Willo, Obertan and Best. Lost Ba & Tiote to the CofN, had Cabaye suspended, Saylor broken. It's a f***ing miracle we are sixth not an under achievement. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted March 4, 2012 Share Posted March 4, 2012 I think league position will be a decent indicator of how he's done like, that's kind of the point of a league. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted March 4, 2012 Share Posted March 4, 2012 e are sixth for the price of Cisse and a bore hole, in a season where we have used Shola, Guthrie, Perch, Raylor, Simpson, Willo, Obertan and Best. Lost Ba & Tiote to the CofN, had Cabaye suspended, Saylor broken. It's a fucking miracle we are sixth not an under achievement. I tend to agree mate, people seem keen to focus on the good players we have as a reason not to rate Pardew, but they tend to forget about the absolutely terrible ones we have as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbandit Posted March 4, 2012 Share Posted March 4, 2012 Just wanted to say a thumbs up to Beren,nailed my current thoughts Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted March 4, 2012 Share Posted March 4, 2012 I think league position will be a decent indicator of how he's done like, that's kind of the point of a league. What's up? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted March 4, 2012 Share Posted March 4, 2012 I think league position will be a decent indicator of how he's done like, that's kind of the point of a league. Depends on how you judge it though doesn't it - I don't think anybody expected Liverpool, Chelsea and to a lesser extent Arsenal to be as dismal as they have been. Think we could have pushed for a Champions League place given how much better some of our players are than we expected them to be but the last two home games have been really stinking performances. We'd need to beat Arsenal next week to keep that dream alive. 2 points from Wolves and the mackems at home with nigh-on a full strength side (only Taylor absent) is completely unacceptable imo. We have just made a significant strengthening in January but not seeing the benefit. He seems to think having an extra clinical striker is a good reason to play a more negative game - create less chances that are more likely to be taken. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted March 4, 2012 Share Posted March 4, 2012 I think league position will be a decent indicator of how he's done like, that's kind of the point of a league. What's up? The short sightedness of your post. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted March 4, 2012 Share Posted March 4, 2012 e are sixth for the price of Cisse and a bore hole, in a season where we have used Shola, Guthrie, Perch, Raylor, Simpson, Willo, Obertan and Best. Lost Ba & Tiote to the CofN, had Cabaye suspended, Saylor broken. It's a fucking miracle we are sixth not an under achievement. I tend to agree mate, people seem keen to focus on the good players we have as a reason not to rate Pardew, but they tend to forget about the absolutely terrible ones we have as well. A lot of the time he's picking the "absolutely terrible" ones ahead of the good ones though isn't he? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted March 4, 2012 Share Posted March 4, 2012 I think league position will be a decent indicator of how he's done like, that's kind of the point of a league. What's up? The short sightedness of your post. I'm not saying he'll have to be hailed as the next Mourinho based on this season's results. But if he lasts a season and manages us into (say) 6th place then I would say he's done a good job. For me that's just as good an indicator as whether his stats are better or worse than Glenn Roeder's. Don't see how using a season's results to judge how a manager has performed is short-sighted. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted March 4, 2012 Share Posted March 4, 2012 Just wanted to say a thumbs up to Beren,nailed my current thoughts He's argued the point well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted March 4, 2012 Share Posted March 4, 2012 e are sixth for the price of Cisse and a bore hole, in a season where we have used Shola, Guthrie, Perch, Raylor, Simpson, Willo, Obertan and Best. Lost Ba & Tiote to the CofN, had Cabaye suspended, Saylor broken. It's a fucking miracle we are sixth not an under achievement. I tend to agree mate, people seem keen to focus on the good players we have as a reason not to rate Pardew, but they tend to forget about the absolutely terrible ones we have as well. A lot of the time he's picking the "absolutely terrible" ones ahead of the good ones though isn't he? Well sometimes he makes decisions that I don't agree with, leaving out HBA being the main one. What I mean is that the fundamental strength of our squad is often used as a reason to say Pardew's work has just been average, but I don't think that's fair when we're carrying some of the players Si mentions. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted March 4, 2012 Share Posted March 4, 2012 e are sixth for the price of Cisse and a bore hole, in a season where we have used Shola, Guthrie, Perch, Raylor, Simpson, Willo, Obertan and Best. Lost Ba & Tiote to the CofN, had Cabaye suspended, Saylor broken. It's a fucking miracle we are sixth not an under achievement. I tend to agree mate, people seem keen to focus on the good players we have as a reason not to rate Pardew, but they tend to forget about the absolutely terrible ones we have as well. A lot of the time he's picking the "absolutely terrible" ones ahead of the good ones though isn't he? Well sometimes he makes decisions that I don't agree with, leaving out HBA being the main one. What I mean is that the fundamental strength of our squad is often used as a reason to say Pardew's work has just been average, but I don't think that's fair when we're carrying some of the players Si mentions. Four of the eight players he mentions have been chosen ahead of HBA. That's Pardew's decision. It's also his decision to start Simpson every single game and leave him on for the full 90 minutes every single game. If we're carrying these players, why is he so desperate to have them in the team at all costs? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted March 4, 2012 Share Posted March 4, 2012 I think league position will be a decent indicator of how he's done like, that's kind of the point of a league. What's up? The short sightedness of your post. I'm not saying he'll have to be hailed as the next Mourinho based on this season's results. But if he lasts a season and manages us into (say) 6th place then I would say he's done a good job. For me that's just as good an indicator as whether his stats are better or worse than Glenn Roeder's. Don't see how using a season's results to judge how a manager has performed is short-sighted. If he finishes 6th then fine, fair enough. He won't though the way he's set up the squad on match days. If it doesn't change right now then no chance, and that's what people are worried about and righty so. For me it's looking at the bigger picture instead of just looking at the table and treating football as just a game of statistics. I certainly don't support the vs GR thing either, two different scenarios, two completely different teams and expectations. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Si Posted March 4, 2012 Share Posted March 4, 2012 e are sixth for the price of Cisse and a bore hole, in a season where we have used Shola, Guthrie, Perch, Raylor, Simpson, Willo, Obertan and Best. Lost Ba & Tiote to the CofN, had Cabaye suspended, Saylor broken. It's a f***ing miracle we are sixth not an under achievement. I tend to agree mate, people seem keen to focus on the good players we have as a reason not to rate Pardew, but they tend to forget about the absolutely terrible ones we have as well. A lot of the time he's picking the "absolutely terrible" ones ahead of the good ones though isn't he? Well sometimes he makes decisions that I don't agree with, leaving out HBA being the main one. What I mean is that the fundamental strength of our squad is often used as a reason to say Pardew's work has just been average, but I don't think that's fair when we're carrying some of the players Si mentions. Four of the eight players he mentions have been chosen ahead of HBA. That's Pardew's decision. It's also his decision to start Simpson every single game and leave him on for the full 90 minutes every single game. If we're carrying these players, why is he so desperate to have them in the team at all costs? Who is the alternative to Simpson? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted March 4, 2012 Share Posted March 4, 2012 I find it hard to believe we'll finish 6th like if he keeps picking the team the way he is. Never known a manager be so slow to learn from his mistakes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted March 4, 2012 Share Posted March 4, 2012 e are sixth for the price of Cisse and a bore hole, in a season where we have used Shola, Guthrie, Perch, Raylor, Simpson, Willo, Obertan and Best. Lost Ba & Tiote to the CofN, had Cabaye suspended, Saylor broken. It's a f***ing miracle we are sixth not an under achievement. I tend to agree mate, people seem keen to focus on the good players we have as a reason not to rate Pardew, but they tend to forget about the absolutely terrible ones we have as well. A lot of the time he's picking the "absolutely terrible" ones ahead of the good ones though isn't he? Well sometimes he makes decisions that I don't agree with, leaving out HBA being the main one. What I mean is that the fundamental strength of our squad is often used as a reason to say Pardew's work has just been average, but I don't think that's fair when we're carrying some of the players Si mentions. Four of the eight players he mentions have been chosen ahead of HBA. That's Pardew's decision. It's also his decision to start Simpson every single game and leave him on for the full 90 minutes every single game. If we're carrying these players, why is he so desperate to have them in the team at all costs? Who is the alternative to Simpson? Mystery Man. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted March 4, 2012 Share Posted March 4, 2012 e are sixth for the price of Cisse and a bore hole, in a season where we have used Shola, Guthrie, Perch, Raylor, Simpson, Willo, Obertan and Best. Lost Ba & Tiote to the CofN, had Cabaye suspended, Saylor broken. It's a f***ing miracle we are sixth not an under achievement. I tend to agree mate, people seem keen to focus on the good players we have as a reason not to rate Pardew, but they tend to forget about the absolutely terrible ones we have as well. A lot of the time he's picking the "absolutely terrible" ones ahead of the good ones though isn't he? Well sometimes he makes decisions that I don't agree with, leaving out HBA being the main one. What I mean is that the fundamental strength of our squad is often used as a reason to say Pardew's work has just been average, but I don't think that's fair when we're carrying some of the players Si mentions. Four of the eight players he mentions have been chosen ahead of HBA. That's Pardew's decision. It's also his decision to start Simpson every single game and leave him on for the full 90 minutes every single game. If we're carrying these players, why is he so desperate to have them in the team at all costs? Who is the alternative to Simpson? Santon or Ryan Taylor. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbandit Posted March 4, 2012 Share Posted March 4, 2012 Just wanted to say a thumbs up to Beren,nailed my current thoughts He's argued the point well. I really do feel we have until the end of the season to really see pardew's football philosophy in full,I really hope he starts to actually act on these words about Ben Arfa needing to be in the side but we can't afford to drop santon either.Taylor at fullback against arsenal equals a loss for us in my opinion Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted March 4, 2012 Share Posted March 4, 2012 Well I think you're exaggerating, all of those choices basically comes down to Pardew's conservatism when selecting HBA, which I've already said I disagree with. But he has been getting results, which (to a certain extent) provides justification. At least from the POV of a professional football manager whose business is results. With Simpson, I don't think there are any other options that are better at the moment. Hopefully we have a fullback lined up to come in in the summer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted March 4, 2012 Share Posted March 4, 2012 I find it hard to believe we'll finish 6th like if he keeps picking the team the way he is. Never known a manager be so slow to learn from his mistakes. I do, Pardew replaced him, but he at least had an excuse since it was his first job in management. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Si Posted March 4, 2012 Share Posted March 4, 2012 e are sixth for the price of Cisse and a bore hole, in a season where we have used Shola, Guthrie, Perch, Raylor, Simpson, Willo, Obertan and Best. Lost Ba & Tiote to the CofN, had Cabaye suspended, Saylor broken. It's a f***ing miracle we are sixth not an under achievement. I tend to agree mate, people seem keen to focus on the good players we have as a reason not to rate Pardew, but they tend to forget about the absolutely terrible ones we have as well. A lot of the time he's picking the "absolutely terrible" ones ahead of the good ones though isn't he? Well sometimes he makes decisions that I don't agree with, leaving out HBA being the main one. What I mean is that the fundamental strength of our squad is often used as a reason to say Pardew's work has just been average, but I don't think that's fair when we're carrying some of the players Si mentions. Four of the eight players he mentions have been chosen ahead of HBA. That's Pardew's decision. It's also his decision to start Simpson every single game and leave him on for the full 90 minutes every single game. If we're carrying these players, why is he so desperate to have them in the team at all costs? Who is the alternative to Simpson? Santon or Ryan Taylor. Raylor is shit for shit, and Santon then just creates a problem at LB. The squad is paper then and we don't have enough talent challenging for places in a number of positions. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ObiChrisKenobi Posted March 4, 2012 Share Posted March 4, 2012 :lol: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted March 4, 2012 Share Posted March 4, 2012 Unless Santon can play RB and LB at the same time, he isn't an alternative to Simpson really. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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